Moral Marianne Williamson: End The $26 Billion In Subsidies To Fossil Fuel Industry.

I think she does but uses the term loosely to bring attention to what amounts to a give-away to big business that doesn't need it, but gets it because anyway of big money lobbying.

Everything government does is because of big money lobbying: Medicare, Medicaid, farmers, tax deductions for charities, child care, tuition, electric cars and business expenses, food stamps, weapons systems, military bases, college loans and grants, NASA, Earned Income Tax Credit, even daylight savings time.

These lobbies represent the diverse interests of groups who all think their cause is deserving. The members of Congress look out for the interests of their district and would support these issues without any lobby money because that is how they get elected. Many powerful lobbies do not even give campaign contributions but are powerful because of the size of their membership. Put the AARP up against a rival group with unlimited funds and see who wins.

The role of money in elections is viewed much too simplisticly by many Americans. An environmental group gives money to a House member because he supports their agenda. He doesn't support their agenda because they give him money. People who are more motivated by money are much more likely to think an official has been "bought" than those less motivated.

Outlawing political advertising would not only be unconstitutional but result in less informed voters.

How many posters would admit that campaign money determined their vote? But they are all convinced the money is affecting the votes of other voters (obviously less enlightened than they are)
 
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America is badly in need of true moral leadership. President Trump has shown how divisive and hateful we can become when we abandon our morals.

Badly Needed Moral Leadership: Marianne Williamson: End The $26 Billion In Subsidies To Fossil Fuel Industry. Tax The Rich. Take Care Of People.

"First we need to pass a law—and most likely a constitutional amendment as well—for public funding of federal campaigns. (huge applause) Right now, the influence of corporate money on our governmental policy is the cancer underlying all other cancers. Then, we need a massive infusion of economic opportunity and hope into the lives of average Americans. We will get there by repealing the 2017, $2 trillion dollar tax cut that gave 83 cents of every dollar to the richest Americans and corporations. Then you stop subsidies such as—why did we pay $26 billion in subsidies to fossil fuel companies last year? Martin Luther King said: "If you give it to rich people they call it a subsidy. If you give it to poor people they call it a hand-out." Then, I agree with others that there should be a 3% tax on billionaires' assets and 2% on people with $50 million and more.

You do things like that, Trevor, and you've got some cash on hand. And then we do what we should be doing. We take care of people." (Another huge applause)

Marianne Williamson Is Guest Of Trever Noah
(Start it at 0:36 to skip the Exxon Ad)

Noah says that Williamson's ideas are called dangerous and crazy. She responds:

"It is dangerous and crazy to NOT discuss the corrosive influence of big money on every aspect of our society."

"The average American is woefully under educated about racism in the United States."

"Slaves were promised 40 acres and a mule. They were freed but never got them. It is time to pay up to their qualified descendants. This is a moral issue. We paid between 20 and 22 thousand dollars to every Japanese American interred during World War II. Germany paid billions to Jews who survived the holocaust. It is time for the United States to make amends for our unmet obligations which have taken such a heavy toll on our society."

Noah: "Donald Trump didn't win by talking about the details, the nitty gritty. He won by talking about the idea of America. Is talking about the idea of America what you think people need to hear?"

Williamson: "It's the idea of leadership. It's the idea of what I think we need in a leader. Franklin Roosevelt said the administrative aspect of the office is secondary. He said the primary role of the Presidency is MORAL LEADERSHIP."

Well, THAT's pretty apparent from looking at the lack of moral leadership we have NOW.



My first reaction to this post is "What a load of Tripe!"

The stupidest part is the line early in the post about "Tax the rich, take care of people..." This is idiotic Statist horse shit. People can take care of themselves. Old People get pensions and the Disabled get Disability and other help. This is not the 1920's in the USA.

I don't care a shit about Racism. If you want to hate me because of what I look like go right ahead. But if you fuck with me I have Mr Glock 21 on my hip and you'll be sucking his dick motherfucker!
 
I watched her on Noah & he seemed to try to make the case for "Moral", but IMHO neither he nor she did..

Is she more moral than everyone else?? Other candidates?? :dunno: I see no evidence of that.....
 
Hello Flash,

Everything government does is because of big money lobbying: Medicare, Medicaid, farmers, tax deductions for charities, child care, tuition, electric cars and business expenses, food stamps, weapons systems, military bases, college loans and grants, NASA, Earned Income Tax Credit, even daylight savings time.

These lobbies represent the diverse interests of groups who all think their cause is deserving. The members of Congress look out for the interests of their district and would support these issues without any lobby money because that is how they get elected. Many powerful lobbies do not even give campaign contributions but are powerful because of the size of their membership. Put the AARP up against a rival group with unlimited funds and see who wins.

The role of money in elections is viewed much too simplisticly by many Americans. An environmental group gives money to a House member because he supports their agenda. He doesn't support their agenda because they give him money. People who are more motivated by money are much more likely to think an official has been "bought" than those less motivated.

Outlawing political advertising would not only be unconstitutional but result in less informed voters.

How many posters would admit that campaign money determined their vote? But they are all convinced the money is affecting the votes of other voters (obviously less enlightened than they are)

Well we certainly want a method for advocacy groups to be able to represent the views of the group to lawmakers. And you know we live in an age when communication has drastically changed. Our system was formed when there was no internet. Perhaps it is time to update things?

I would LOVE to see the lawmakers take part in an online forum like this one. I am not sure if the public should be allowed or not. Probably not on the main one. It might be very cool if only the lawmakers could post. Then we could all read what they have to say about all the issues. Perhaps the constituents should have other forums to communicate their concerns and comment on what they are reading. Each lawmaker should run a Forum available to only their constituents. And finally, there should be an official government Forum which is open to all. Naturally, in my view, all these forums should be actively and strictly moderated. No ad hominems allowed. That means no personal attacks. There are places like this for that. The official national discussions should be focused only on the subject being discussed, not the people discussing it.

We could harness the power of the internet as a large group of people to brainstorm the best solutions to the issues we face.

What I don't like is there is no two-way communication with lawmakers. The way it is now you are cut off. You can send them a message, and their staff reads it. Then you get a form letter response after a few weeks. You can't ask a question and get an answer, have a dialog. If you have big money you can probably get a sit-down with the lawmaker. But if you're just another voter? They don't have time for you.

Lawmakers spend up to 70% of their time fund-raising for reelection. Pardon me, but I want my representative to be solving issues, not working on job security CYA.

As for candidates, we should be selecting prospective leaders mostly according to their record and their positions on the issues. Instead it has become a popularity contest to see who's got the most charisma and who can motivate voters. Money plays heavily into that, so that gives a huge advantage to the rich. Pardon me, but that's not right. Nothing in the Constitution said the rich get more power.

So let there be another Forum for the candidates. Let us get a much better view of how they interact than a few hours of debate where each person only gets to speak for 8.4 minutes.
 
Goodbye BT,

My first reaction to this post is "What a load of Tripe!"

The stupidest part is the line early in the post about "Tax the rich, take care of people..." This is idiotic Statist horse shit. People can take care of themselves. Old People get pensions and the Disabled get Disability and other help. This is not the 1920's in the USA.

I don't care a shit about Racism. If you want to hate me because of what I look like go right ahead. But if you fuck with me I have Mr Glock 21 on my hip and you'll be sucking his dick motherfucker!

I hope you enjoyed that because it is the last thing I will read from you.

This is your final endorphin rush from unloading on me. What you are reading right now. Your other post to me? Wasted effort. Won't be read. Feel free to vent all you like about my views. Rip me a new one for placing you on permanent Ignore, as if I'm the problem, whatever. It doesn't matter any more. It will never reach it's mark. It will be like talking to a brick wall. Knock yourself out. It won't matter to me. This is the last you'll hear from me.

-poof-
 
Hello StoneByStone,

Yeah, the part about moral leadership is great. I'm talking about all of the New Age wackiness and her thoughts on health.

I don't think she's 'THE ONE,' but she has charisma and she is saying good things, so I would like to see her advance to the next round of debates so we can hear more from her. That quote about health care is quite old, so it's possible she was in a completely different state of mind then. She has faced heartache and found a way to deal with it, and shares what she found. She has a following in that. She's popular. She has recently said she favors a Medicare For All system. That is a better indicator of her position on health care.
 
Goodbye BT,



I hope you enjoyed that because it is the last thing I will read from you.

This is your final endorphin rush from unloading on me. What you are reading right now. Your other post to me? Wasted effort. Won't be read. Feel free to vent all you like about my views. Rip me a new one for placing you on permanent Ignore, as if I'm the problem, whatever. It doesn't matter any more. It will never reach it's mark. It will be like talking to a brick wall. Knock yourself out. It won't matter to me. This is the last you'll hear from me.

-poof-

OH Noz!!! This polesmoking tard is not gonna read my posts any more!:(
 
I watched her on Noah & he seemed to try to make the case for "Moral", but IMHO neither he nor she did..

Is she more moral than everyone else?? Other candidates?? :dunno: I see no evidence of that.....

The most "moral" and Compassionate thing to do is leave people alone and let them do their own thing. Marianne and the rest of the 203 Dimwits running for Comrad in Chief want to impose Govt authority over ever aspect of human life. They are in fact all Socialists to some degree. The Democrat Party is not the Party of my Father who turned Republican in 1972. Ever since then they have lurched to the left like a drunken jackass with an ear infection.

Freedom is what made the USA a great place. If you want to live in a Socialist country get on your way to a lovely little place where they've eaten all the cats and dogs and now eat zoo animals because the Socialist Govt cannot plant enough potato's to feed the people. I'm talking about Maduro's Venezuela. Then there is Cuba, and North Korea. Fuck even Vietnam has rejected Socialism.

And don't tell me about Denmark, Norway, Sweden ect. They will tell you that they are not Socialists. They have free markets with a heavy tax bill and welfare state. So if that is what you want a minimum tax rate on workers of 56% get on over there to Scandinavia.
 
Hello Flash,

Well we certainly want a method for advocacy groups to be able to represent the views of the group to lawmakers. And you know we live in an age when communication has drastically changed. Our system was formed when there was no internet. Perhaps it is time to update things?

I would LOVE to see the lawmakers take part in an online forum like this one. I am not sure if the public should be allowed or not. Probably not on the main one. It might be very cool if only the lawmakers could post. Then we could all read what they have to say about all the issues. Perhaps the constituents should have other forums to communicate their concerns and comment on what they are reading. Each lawmaker should run a Forum available to only their constituents. And finally, there should be an official government Forum which is open to all. Naturally, in my view, all these forums should be actively and strictly moderated. No ad hominems allowed. That means no personal attacks. There are places like this for that. The official national discussions should be focused only on the subject being discussed, not the people discussing it.

We could harness the power of the internet as a large group of people to brainstorm the best solutions to the issues we face.

What I don't like is there is no two-way communication with lawmakers. The way it is now you are cut off. You can send them a message, and their staff reads it. Then you get a form letter response after a few weeks. You can't ask a question and get an answer, have a dialog. If you have big money you can probably get a sit-down with the lawmaker. But if you're just another voter? They don't have time for you.

Lawmakers spend up to 70% of their time fund-raising for reelection. Pardon me, but I want my representative to be solving issues, not working on job security CYA.

As for candidates, we should be selecting prospective leaders mostly according to their record and their positions on the issues. Instead it has become a popularity contest to see who's got the most charisma and who can motivate voters. Money plays heavily into that, so that gives a huge advantage to the rich. Pardon me, but that's not right. Nothing in the Constitution said the rich get more power.

So let there be another Forum for the candidates. Let us get a much better view of how they interact than a few hours of debate where each person only gets to speak for 8.4 minutes.

I generally agree but I don't think we are as helpless as your description. Members spend much more time today in their district and meet with groups often and hold town hall meetings. Also, tourists and groups in D. C. regularly get meetings with their rep even if they did not give money. Even when members are fund raising they often do it through small meetings in people's homes which gives you a chance to talk with them without giving money.

After all, personal contact is the best way to win votes and meeting constituents wins more votes than money (it just doesn't reach nearly as many people). I have been to D. C. as a tourist and met with my Senator in his office, got a pass for a White House tour from my rep, and got a tour of the capital from my rep. They control the tours so you have to go to them.

I disagree about the advantage it gives to the rich because candidates don't usually spend their own money so being rich is not necessary. Also, there are many examples of very rich people who spent millions of their own funds and did very poorly. President Obama raised a lot of money on the internet through relatively small contributions--so millions from a lot of people is just as good as millions for wealthy donors.

Losers often say they lost because they had no funds, but funds go to those who have support. They don't have support because they spent money.
 
Hello Flash,

I generally agree but I don't think we are as helpless as your description. Members spend much more time today in their district and meet with groups often and hold town hall meetings. Also, tourists and groups in D. C. regularly get meetings with their rep even if they did not give money. Even when members are fund raising they often do it through small meetings in people's homes which gives you a chance to talk with them without giving money.

After all, personal contact is the best way to win votes and meeting constituents wins more votes than money (it just doesn't reach nearly as many people). I have been to D. C. as a tourist and met with my Senator in his office, got a pass for a White House tour from my rep, and got a tour of the capital from my rep. They control the tours so you have to go to them.

I disagree about the advantage it gives to the rich because candidates don't usually spend their own money so being rich is not necessary. Also, there are many examples of very rich people who spent millions of their own funds and did very poorly. President Obama raised a lot of money on the internet through relatively small contributions--so millions from a lot of people is just as good as millions for wealthy donors.

Losers often say they lost because they had no funds, but funds go to those who have support. They don't have support because they spent money.

I'm glad you agree we should have better communication with our Representatives, and that it is not in our best interest that they spend most of their efforts as elected officials trying to get reelected.

Most people cannot afford to go to DC to get a tour with their Rep.

And yes, the rich do have more power because the money the Reps are spending to get reelected more often comes from rich corporations than individuals.
 
Perhaps that is true, but then you have ppl like epstein & nuts that wanna murder lots of ppl....:|

I think you know full well that I'm talking about economic freedom, to do what you want, work where and live where you want, buy the things you want and not be forced into some Utopian Dream of some Leftist Mastermind. Liberty and freedom have nothing to do with Child Molesters and mass killers.
 
I think you know full well that I'm talking about economic freedom, to do what you want, work where and live where you want, buy the things you want and not be forced into some Utopian Dream of some Leftist Mastermind. Liberty and freedom have nothing to do with Child Molesters and mass killers.

Really, do I know you from somewhere???

You got my answer...:|
 
Really, do I know you from somewhere???

You got my answer...:|

I doubt if you know me. But I can tell by your sig you're a leftist. You fall into the Fatal Conceit of the Socialist Mindset. Socialists, says National Review correspondent Kevin Williamson, are guilty of a fatal conceit: They think they can develop a system so powerful that it can consider every variable in society and propose scientific answers “about how many acres of potatoes to plant, and when and where to plant them.”

The great Economist FA Hayek wrote a book called "Fatal Conceit, the Errors of Socialism." The biggest error of Socialism is that it is based on the assumption that we already know everything we need to know in order to plan our future. As in the number of acres of potatoes to plant. And this leads to tyranny, it crushes creativity. This is why the European socialist countries never matched the economic growth of the US.

Socialism leads to stagnation like the 8 years of Obama. He said 2% growth or less was the new normal and higher growth was "not possible."



Still think you know me?
 
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