Warren passes Biden, takes the lead in prized Iowa poll

[Nomad]

Okay, it is your prerogative to believe that Biden is so well liked but as I asked in an earlier post...have you seen an energized and large crowd at a Biden rally? Neither have I.

I'll just respond with what was reported on Meet the Press this morning.

Biden's support comes from Americans over 50, men over 60 and, most importantly in terms of winning the primary, black voters across the board.

Warren's support comes mainly from white millennials and white people under 50.

Her support among blacks is almost non existent, and without them, its hard to see how she can get the nomination.

All that aside, why would you support a candidate who is running on a platform of policy goals she obviously will never be able to fulfill?

 

[Nomad]

Polls count for nothing. Didn't you learn anything from 2016 when Trump whipped Hillary's ass despite the polls?

I took your ignorant redneck ass off of ignore out of curiosity over what idiotic garbage you were puking at me this time.

Let me once more set you straight on something, toothless little hillbilly boy... Trump did not "whip Hillary's ass".

He won by 77,000 votes across three northern states.

She beat him by over 3,000,000 popular votes.

Now go crawl back inside your trailer and get back in bed with your sister.

Or your brother, in your case.

Both, more likely.

Either way, its back on ignore with you.

.

 

[Nomad]

No shit. Without a change in the senate not much can be done but.... our current Cheeto-lini has shown you can just try and force everything through... so there's that. So.. that just undermined your idiotic statement.

Also a one to two percent tax on those making over goddamned 50 million is fucking nothing but I guess according to you that's pie in the sky. I guess that's why we can't move forward in this country because this idiocy you vomit makes you so easily controlled. I love this statement, 'far' left'. That's how enabling beaten wives of GOP abusers talk. Everything's moved from fascist GOP to the center being the right and anything that's um... old school middle of the road liberal is now considered radical progressive, left. You really are an easily manipulated fool aren't you. That's not a question.

No he's not. He's lost every attempt at trying to be president. He's a fucking wife beating enabler who 's idea of working with other side has gotten us into the precise mess we are in. No we need to get some goddamned balls and fight. Stop being such an enabling good wife pussy and divorce yourself from these fucking abusers. That is ALL they are. Biden just wants us to go along to get along with the Corporate whoring of our entire nation. No, we need to get back to being a fucking democracy NOT beholden to Citizen United, 'personhood' Corporations. Biden is soft stable Trump for the GOP. Of course you won't get the conservatives seeing that here because they are too busy being manipulated by the idiotic us vs them game that is being played on EVERYONE, including you. The reality is the two establishment parties are about party before country, about controlling and being controlled by the establishment and the establishment is very big money and the little people, every fucking. one. reading this is the little people not having a voice in our government.

The stupidity that you folks vomit on one another daily around here is pathetic.

So, you might need to go in the bathroom, turn on the light and re read that to yourself.

Go fuck yourself, turdonapost.

I got about halfway through the second paragraph of your mindless, drooling screed and just quit because it is so obviously not worth finishing.

Go ahead and vote for some progressive twit who makes promises that only fools believe and then congratulate yourself when Trump wins a second term, knowing that you helped.

Fucking idiot.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cinnabar,

Good for Liz Warren and who did not see this coming. Biden is a good guy with some baggage but many knew it would begin shaking out this way.

I am so glad to see that. I hope she goes all the way.

And wouldn't that be a good thing for the economy to see the CFPB (which was her idea in the first place) revitalized and super-charged!

Under Obama we had a functioning Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that returned billions which had been fleeced from the public in false fees and illegal trickery by big corporations.

Trump has turned it into the Corporate Fraud Protection Bureau, which hurts the economy. Time to fix that.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nomad,

It's sad to see how far left progressives are so gullible they actually believe Warren or Sanders would be able to keep their ridiculous, empty promises.

They wouldn't be able to enact all they are envisioning because it requires an act of Congress to make those things real. I don't view their policy solutions as promises but as ideas. If they are effective at convincing people of the need for what they envision, then they might be able to get a tenth of what they propose enacted. Everybody thought Obama stepped on the third rail of politics when he pushed for healthcare reform. And to be true, he didn't get what he hoped for in the beginning, What we got was all watered down trying to appease Congress, one member at a time. But he sure amazed the naysayers who thought he would never get it across the finish line.

Also, Health care reform was just one of Obama's goals. He wanted to do the same kinds of radical change to education and energy production, but he was never able to get around to those things because health care turned into such a protracted battle. The same kind of priority picking would be faced by Warren should she take office. It's not like anybody just expects her to be able to snap her finger and tax wealth itself with an EO.

Even if one of those two could beat Trump (they can't) their bullshit agenda would be rendered DOA by the Republican obstructionists in the Senate. Then the moron progressives who put them in office will look as stupid and gullible as the morons on the extremist right who believed Trump's bullshit promises and put him in office.

Yeah, well, if enough seats flip then Republicans are not going to have the votes to quash it. And if not this time then the next. 2020 is when the new census happens and the districts get redrawn by the party in power.

Biden is a solid, experienced leader and HE is the one who lives in the real world, not Bernie or Lizzy. Ergo, he doesn't need gimmicks and phony, empty promises about free everything for everybody that only gullible fools believe will ever happen.

Biden is a corporate suck-up just like Obama. He talks a good game but he plays old school politics. I think America is getting a bit tired of that.

There are too many dumb people in this country on both sides who need to grow the f*ck up and stop believing all these feel-good lies out of politicians who know how to push their buttons and play them for chumps.

Another reason to totally revamp education.

 

[evince]

Go fuck yourself, turdonapost.

I got about halfway through the second paragraph of your mindless, drooling screed and just quit because it is so obviously not worth finishing.

Go ahead and vote for some progressive twit who makes promises that only fools believe and then congratulate yourself when Trump wins a second term, knowing that you helped.

Fucking idiot.

russo bot holes come in all kinds



some pretend to be way liberal so they can trash the front runner



this poster was pretty fucking weird the last time he posted here


he only shows up around elections and trashes the front runner

 

[evince]

Hello Nomad,



They wouldn't be able to enact all they are envisioning because it requires an act of Congress to make those things real. I don't view their policy solutions as promises but as ideas. If they are effective at convincing people of the need for what they envision, then they might be able to get a tenth of what they propose enacted. Everybody thought Obama stepped on the third rail of politics when he pushed for healthcare reform. And to be true, he didn't get what he hoped for in the beginning, What we got was all watered down trying to appease Congress, one member at a time. But he sure amazed the naysayers who thought he would never get it across the finish line.

Also, Health care reform was just one of Obama's goals. He wanted to do the same kinds of radical change to education and energy production, but he was never able to get around to those things because health care turned into such a protracted battle. The same kind of priority picking would be faced by Warren should she take office. It's not like anybody just expects her to be able to snap her finger and tax wealth itself with an EO.



Yeah, well, if enough seats flip then Republicans are not going to have the votes to quash it. And if not this time then the next. 2020 is when the new census happens and the districts get redrawn by the party in power.



Biden is a corporate suck-up just like Obama. He talks a good game but he plays old school politics. I think America is getting a bit tired of that.



Another reason to totally revamp education.

A very good reason to kill lie delivery services like FOX

 

[Cinnabar]

Go fuck yourself, turdonapost.

I got about halfway through the second paragraph of your mindless, drooling screed and just quit because it is so obviously not worth finishing.

Go ahead and vote for some progressive twit who makes promises that only fools believe and then congratulate yourself when Trump wins a second term, knowing that you helped.

Fucking idiot.

Biden has not even been able to hold his own at debates with other Democratic candidates and I would support him if he is the nominee so this is not coming from partisanship. The corporate powers that be are promoting Biden because even the left wing of the establishment does want to upset their lucrative and comfortable apple cart. The country is mostly in support of truly Liberal and Progressive policies and there is nothing that is being proposed that is not doable or at least worth striving for. Folks will stay home and Millennials will turn away if Biden is the candidate as he inspires no one with his "I'm not Trump" policy which is so weak and feeble, it is acutely embarrassing.

Most Americans Are Liberal, Even If They Don’t Know It
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don’t-know-it

And Biden is not the standard bearer for any of those policies which the majority of Americans are really very much in support of.

Joe Biden to rich donors: "Nothing would fundamentally change" if he's elected
Along with praise for the "civility" of racists, Biden assures donors "no one's standard of living will change"
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/jo...ng-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

Not very comforting or inspiring.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

like a fuck doll.

so you've met Watermark......

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cinnabar,

Okay, it is your prerogative to believe that Biden is so well liked but as I asked in an earlier post...have you seen an energized and large crowd at a Biden rally? Neither have I.

One of the things Biden has going for him is he served as VP to a black president. That gives him an automatic in for those blacks who may not be well informed politically. Sanders struggles with the black vote among that same set, despite the fact that he took part in the civil rights movement fighting for black rights. The knowledge that he did that isn't well known, and he is not getting proper credit for his contributions. Warren polls better among blacks.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Threedee,

The right are the people who actually live off the natural resources and wildlife, and among ecosystems other than the urban sewer.

Yeah if the right keeps doing that there won't be any of that left.

Your comment would be accurate if 'actually live off' were replaced with 'consume.'

 

[Ralph]

Good for Liz Warren and who did not see this coming. Biden is a good guy with some baggage but many knew it would begin shaking out this way.

This little deep state attempt to frame Trump with a whistle blower has BACKFIRED big time for China Joe......he is no longer in the lead and is slipping fast, soon he will be forced to drop from the race. All this latest distraction accomplished was to turn the spotlight back on UNCLE CORRUPT JOE and his dope head son and their illegal dealings to fill the family coffers. The bad thing? He is on video tape caught bragging about blackmailing the Ukrainian President in order to make him fire a prosecutor that was investigating the gas firm that was paying Biden's Son.

This is priceless. Biden is dropping like the stone headed individual he is......LIKE A ROCK. He is now in a 3 way tie....who knows what tomorrow will bring? The left just needs to keep that circular firing squad going 24/7. He dropped into a 3 way tie almost 4 weeks ago.....what's it going to look like by the time Trump is through bashing him over the head with the Ukrainian kickback story? Its almost like the powers that be in the press...want Joe out of the race. They knew this story had no roots, as the President has every right to engage in conversation whoever he wishes to engage. Its like Joe is being targeted by the SOCIALISTS. The press will simply not let this Ukrainian story die.....to the detriment of Sleepy eyed Joe.


https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/bidens-support-dramatically-drops-him-into-three-way-tie-poll/

 

[Cinnabar]

Hello Cinnabar,



One of the things Biden has going for him is he served as VP to a black president. That gives him an automatic in for those blacks who may not be well informed politically. Sanders struggles with the black vote among that same set, despite the fact that he took part in the civil rights movement fighting for black rights. The knowledge that he did that isn't well known, and he is not getting proper credit for his contributions. Warren polls better among blacks.

Biden is not going to inspire turnout. His donations come from big donors, not a grassroots movement.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello anatta,

free stuff ( college, guaranteed income) and extreme taxation ( like trillions needed for New Green Deal) is by definition radical redistribution. Those are "mainstream"progressive ideas.

How many times have I heard "tax the rich" when the rich are already way taxed they pay the bulk of income taxes - which is fine -but progs look at the rich as being a problem ( instead of wealth creation by hiring and investing).

Virtually anytime they come up with more spending ideas, they point to taxing the rich more.

That's because there are only two ways to pay for a new program. Tax everybody more, or tax the rich more.

Warren wants a "wealth tax" ffs.
not content to bleed the rich she then wants to come back and slice off 2% Of THEIR WEALTH annually!

Not true. First of all it is not about bleeding anybody (and for the rich this is barely a pin prick,) and the plan only taxes 2% of the wealth OVER FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS. This will impact nobody's lifestyle.

Dems are statists -the more power to the central government, the happier they are.
I remind you the US was set up for "the pursuit of happiness" not guaranteeing it.

To clarify that, it is also about Promoting the General Welfare.

Populism is closest to being libertarianism. I want to have complete control of my body.
I want to be able to smoke pot for anxiety, and pain pills for pain management as me and my doctor see fit
without the DEA and CDC telling me I cant. If you want to vape or smoke cigs -have at it.
I basically want as little government as possible -just enough to further that pursuit, but not control/direct it.

I agree all drugs should be legalized but the dangerous ones should be widely exposed for all their dangers. We would be better off to spend on government rehab centers and mental health counseling than on prisons. Really, the biggest function of our prison system is very poorly run mental health care facilities.

Populism at it's heart is a sovereign people
( like the 10th where all powers not invested to the government resides in the people ). Power to the people.

And such power includes the power to vote for very strong government regulation where it is needed, appropriate and effective.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

A very good reason to kill lie delivery services like FOX

To do so would be to kill freedom of speech.

Best to force Fox to die of lack of interest.

If our conviction is strong enough entities like that only make us stronger.

That is precisely the reasoning behind "I strongly disagree with what you say but I will protect and defend your right to say it."

 

[Cinnabar]

russo bot holes come in all kinds



some pretend to be way liberal so they can trash the front runner



this poster was pretty fucking weird the last time he posted here


he only shows up around elections and trashes the front runner

Biden is not worthy of being the front-runner and that is coming from someone who will vote for him if he only damn choice.

 

[anatta]

Sanders is Russian tainted idiot

please..enough of the Russiaphobia!
NATO expansion has created a caged Bear -and we keep poking it

 

[Nomad]

Hello Nomad,

They wouldn't be able to enact all they are envisioning because it requires an act of Congress to make those things real. I don't view their policy solutions as promises but as ideas. If they are effective at convincing people of the need for what they envision, then they might be able to get a tenth of what they propose enacted. Everybody thought Obama stepped on the third rail of politics when he pushed for healthcare reform. And to be true, he didn't get what he hoped for in the beginning, What we got was all watered down trying to appease Congress, one member at a time. But he sure amazed the naysayers who thought he would never get it across the finish line.

Also, Health care reform was just one of Obama's goals. He wanted to do the same kinds of radical change to education and energy production, but he was never able to get around to those things because health care turned into such a protracted battle. The same kind of priority picking would be faced by Warren should she take office.

1.) It's not like anybody just expects her to be able to snap her finger and tax wealth itself with an EO.

2.) Yeah, well, if enough seats flip then Republicans are not going to have the votes to quash it. And if not this time then the next. 2020 is when the new census happens and the districts get redrawn by the party in power.

3.) Biden is a corporate suck-up just like Obama. He talks a good game but he plays old school politics. I think America is getting a bit tired of that.

Another reason to totally revamp education.

1.) On the contrary, I think that a lot of these millennial progressive types don't even think about and possibly don't really even understand how our government, legislative process and Senate rules work.

2.) IF as you can see, is a huge word. And what you're suggesting the possibility of is almost certain not to happen, given the makeup of the US voting population and the number of seats in play. Even if the Dems won the WH with a simple majority in the Senate, the Repugs would still have the filibuster at their disposal which, as they proved under Obama, they are more than willing to use on any and every issue. It takes a 60 to 40 seat advantage by one party over the other to defeat a filibuster and force a vote.

It is therefore, that Warren's "ideas" are pipe dreams at best, cynical gimmicks designed to dupe the voters at worst.

3.) Translation: Biden is a REALIST WHO UNDERSTANDS THE WAY THE REAL WORLD WORKS just like Obama.

Biden's honesty should be appreciated, not punished.

 

[anatta]

the name of the game folks isn't class warfare -it's international competition.
If we create more wealth in the US it helps us all - we don't have to fight over the same pie -make the pie bigger.

Going after China for ex. means we gett good jobs back, ( which are happening) and we bleed out less in trade

 

[Nomad]

Biden is not worthy of being the front-runner and that is coming from someone who will vote for him if he only damn choice.

He's a better choice than...

Ms. Rainbow Unicorn.