What the Republi-cons don't want you to know about Ukraine extortion

[Cinnabar]

In May the Ukraine met all benchmarks to receive cerification of anti-corruption.

Pentagon letter certified Ukraine had taken action to decrease corruption before White House blocked aid
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ertified-ukraine-had-taken-action-to-decrease

Also, the Trump administration was legally bound to file a formal reason for the holding up of funds to Ukraine which they did not.

So when the corrupt sociopaths of the GOP are banging their fists on the table in their feeble lying attempts to defend the indefensible, keep these things in mind and laugh at them for the clowns they are and scorn them for the traitors they are.

 

[LV426]

In May the Ukraine met all benchmarks to receive cerification of anti-corruption.



Also, the Trump administration was legally bound to file a formal reason for the holding up of funds to Ukraine wheich they did not.

So when the corrupt sociopaths of the GOP are banging their fists on the table in their feeble lying attempts to defend the indefensible, keep these things in mind and laugh at them for the clowns they are and scorn them for the traitors they are.

That's pretty devastating and establishes the frame of mind for Trump and the GOP; that they saw US aid as a means to achieve political attacks on their rivals, which is the core of this whole controversy, and it's what they did with Russia in 2016 against Clinton.

I hope every single Republican goes down with Trump...and if they don't, we have to make them.

BURN THE LIFEBOATS.

No Conservative can make it out of this decade with any political capital.

 

[Cinnabar]

That's pretty devastating and establishes the frame of mind for Trump and the GOP; that they saw US aid as a means to achieve political attacks on their rivals, which is the core of this whole controversy, and it's what they did with Russia in 2016 against Clinton.

I hope every single Republican goes down with Trump...and if they don't, we have to make them.

BURN THE LIFEBOATS.

No Conservative can make it out of this decade with any political capital.

I couldn't agree more. They cannot be impeached but they can be brought up on charges on courts of law and the damned well should be!

 

[dukkha]

In May the Ukraine met all benchmarks to receive cerification of anti-corruption.



Also, the Trump administration was legally bound to file a formal reason for the holding up of funds to Ukraine wheich they did not.

So when the corrupt sociopaths of the GOP are banging their fists on the table in their feeble lying attempts to defend the indefensible, keep these things in mind and laugh at them for the clowns they are and scorn them for the traitors they are.

The deadline was the end of fiscal year 2019 -Sept 30th which was met.
It was held up pending Trump making sure Zelensky was oriented towards Kyiv, and not Russia (Russian nationalists)

 

[dukkha]

That's pretty devastating and establishes the frame of mind for Trump and the GOP; that they saw US aid as a means to achieve political attacks on their rivals, which is the core of this whole controversy, and it's what they did with Russia in 2016 against Clinton.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

 

[LV426]

I couldn't agree more. They cannot be impeached but they can be brought up on charges on courts of law and the damned well should be!

The GOP has been a terrorist organization in support of white supremacy, dedicated to destroying the government because it wouldn't let them deny black people service at lunch counters.

 

[LV426]

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

It is a Rudy Colludy conspiracy theory that Ukraine was involved in the 2016 election interference your Russian friends committed.

When all this shit gets aired in public starting tomorrow, I fully expect you to change every single argument you make on the fly.

 

[LV426]

The deadline was the end of fiscal year 2019 -Sept 30th which was met.

It doesn't matter that the aid was eventually released, what matters is that it was held up in the first place.

Had the whistleblower not made this complaint, and had the witnesses not come forward, there's no reason to believe that aid would have been released.

STOP BULLSHITTING.

It was held up pending Drumpf making sure Zelensky was oriented towards Kyiv, and not Russia (Russian nationalists)

First we were told the aid was not held up. Then you said the aid was held up because of "corruption". Now you're saying the aid was held up (that you said before wasn't) because of where Zalensky's loyalties lied, to Moscow or Kyiv.

So you moved the goalposts twice...and we haven't even gotten to the public testimony part.

 

[dukkha]

It is a Rudy Colludy conspiracy theory that Ukraine was involved in the 2016 election interference your Russian friends committed.

When all this shit gets aired in public starting tomorrow, I fully expect you to change every single argument you make on the fly.

That is a Politico article and it's well sourced.
Alexandra Chalupa (DNC operative -article) is on the Republican witness list.
Of course Schiff will make sure none of this sees the light of transparency and testimony by allowing her testimony

 

[dukkha]

It doesn't matter that the aid was eventually released, what matters is that it was held up in the first place.
Had the whistleblower not made this complaint, and had the witnesses not come forward, there's no reason to believe that aid would have been released.


First we were told the aid was not held up. Then you said the aid was held up because of "corruption". Now you're saying the aid was held up (that you said before wasn't) because of where Zalensky's loyalties lied, to Moscow or Kyiv.

So you moved the goalposts twice...and we haven't even gotten to the public testimony part.

you cant understand the difference in held up or suspended -the aid was only temporarily suspended pending Trumps final OK. it was never "held up"
You are unable to hold 2 or more concurrent thoughts in your mind -work on that and get back to me

 

[LV426]

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

I;m so glad you linked to this because now comes the part where we utterly destroy your sole defense.

Buried as the lead sentence in the sixth paragraph of this article is this:

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine.

So the entire premise you're arguing, that Ukraine -not Russia- launched a systemic and coordinated attack against the GOP appears to be a load of horseshit.

And you thought that everyone would be as fucking lazy as you and not read the links.

Nothing in the link you shit out here describes Ukraine interfering in the election. Nothing. There's nothing in this entire article that says or indicates it.

Did Ukraine not like Trump? Yes, because of Trump's ties to Putin, which we all know about. But did Ukraine hack the Democrats' server for the Democrats so they could frame Russia for it, get Trump elected, only to maybe impeach him if they can win back the House in 2018? No...because that's fucking crazy.

So now, we are left with an either/or here...

Either there's a wide-ranging conspiracy involving hundreds -if not thousands- of people to not only pull all this off, but to coordinate the same response that doesn't change over time, between all our intelligence agencies, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the EU, our allies, Mueller, Obama, Clinton, Biden, the media, and the DNC...

Or you're a sucker who was grifted by a conman.

It's the latter, isn't it?

 

[dukkha]

I;m so glad you linked to this because now comes the part where we utterly destroy your sole defense.

Buried as the lead sentence in the sixth paragraph of this article is this:



So the entire premise you're arguing, that Ukraine -not Russia- launched a systemic and coordinated attack against the GOP appears to be a load of horseshit.

And you thought that everyone would be as fucking lazy as you and not read the links.

Nothing in the link you shit out here describes Ukraine interfering in the election. Nothing. There's nothing in this entire article that says or indicates it.

Did Ukraine not like Trump? Yes, because of Trump's ties to Putin, which we all know about. But did Ukraine hack the Democrats' server for the Democrats so they could frame Russia for it, get Trump elected, only to maybe impeach him if they can win back the House in 2018? No...because that's fucking crazy.

cherry picking is not going to do it for you.. I can do the same.

the Ukrainian Embassy under Shulyar, said she instructed him to help Chalupa research connections between Trump, Manafort and Russia. “Oksana said that if I had any information, or knew other people who did, then I should contact Chalupa,” recalled Telizhenko, who is now a political consultant in Kiev. “They were coordinating an investigation with the Hillary team on Paul Manafort with Alexandra Chalupa,” he said, adding “Oksana was keeping it all quiet,” but “the embassy worked very closely with” Chalupa.

"top down"means direct involvement with Poroshenko who did not need to be part of it -it was done mostly at the diplomatic level.

You can read the long article and learn the depths of collusion , or remain ignorant. makes no difference to me
I'm going swimming either way now.

 

[Althea]

In May the Ukraine met all benchmarks to receive cerification of anti-corruption.



Also, the Trump administration was legally bound to file a formal reason for the holding up of funds to Ukraine which they did not.

So when the corrupt sociopaths of the GOP are banging their fists on the table in their feeble lying attempts to defend the indefensible, keep these things in mind and laugh at them for the clowns they are and scorn them for the traitors they are.

And the obvious one...Biden/U.N demanded the ouster of the corrupt Shokin for NOT investigating Mykola Zlochevsky.

 

[LV426]

That is a Politico article and it's well sourced.

You didn't even read that politico article, did you?

You just saw it on some other right-winger's post and immediately assumed it helped you.

Guess what? IT FUCKING DOESN'T.

As they say in the sixth paragraph with regard to hacking:

Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Drumpf last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine.

So what you're doing is exaggerating and lying, which is what you do here because that's your job. You're trying to say that Ukranian officials, who shared their concerns through the proper channels about Trump and his connection to Russia (WHICH ARE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY TRUE, BTW) is the same as Russian trolls hacking into DNC servers to get e-mails to use in the campaign through a propaganda attack, coordinated with the Trump campaign (what Stone's currently on trial for) and the RNC.

You are placing a bet that people will be just as lazy as you are, and accept your bullshit as the truth.

'Alexandra Chalupa (DNC operative -article) is on the Republican witness list.

Which has nothing to do with Trump extorting a foreign leader for political dirt on his opponents.

 

[Althea]

I;m so glad you linked to this because now comes the part where we utterly destroy your sole defense.

Buried as the lead sentence in the sixth paragraph of this article is this:



So the entire premise you're arguing, that Ukraine -not Russia- launched a systemic and coordinated attack against the GOP appears to be a load of horseshit.

And you thought that everyone would be as fucking lazy as you and not read the links.

Nothing in the link you shit out here describes Ukraine interfering in the election. Nothing. There's nothing in this entire article that says or indicates it.

Did Ukraine not like Trump? Yes, because of Trump's ties to Putin, which we all know about. But did Ukraine hack the Democrats' server for the Democrats so they could frame Russia for it, get Trump elected, only to maybe impeach him if they can win back the House in 2018? No...because that's fucking crazy.

So now, we are left with an either/or here...

Either there's a wide-ranging conspiracy involving hundreds -if not thousands- of people to not only pull all this off, but to coordinate the same response that doesn't change over time, between all our intelligence agencies, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the EU, our allies, Mueller, Obama, Clinton, Biden, the media, and the DNC...

Or you're a sucker who was grifted by a conman.

It's the latter, isn't it?

Do you ever tire of ramming his garbage claims up his butt?

His laziness is surpassed only by his inability to comprehend simple concepts.

 

[Althea]

And the obvious one...Biden/U.N demanded the ouster of the corrupt Shokin for NOT investigating Mykola Zlochevsky.

Zlochevsky expanded Burisma at the same time when he was Ukraine's environment minister, whose duties included issuing drilling licenses. After the bloody revolution on Kyiv's streets five years ago, Zlochevsky — like disgraced President Viktor Yanukovych — fled Ukraine.

Sounds like trump. Making money from his position in the govt.

 

[LV426]

you cant understand the difference in held up or suspended -the aid was only temporarily suspended pending Trumps final OK. it was never "held up"

Now you're trying to make a semantic argument between "suspended" and "held up" because you know you just stepped in it.

Had there not been the whistleblower complaint, and had there not been witnesses coming forward as they have, there is no reason to believe that aid would be released.

And if it was going to be released anyway, then that proves the quid pro quo...that Trump was trying to pressure Zalensky into publicly announcing investigations of his political rivals by dangling the aid Congress had already approved and verified.

Saying it was a negotiation tactic, proves the quid pro quo!

Wow.

You're not very good at this.

 

[LV426]

it was never "held up"

OMFG.

You said multiple times -including on this thread- that it was held up...in fact, you said it one post ago:

It was held up pending Trump making sure Zelensky was oriented towards Kyiv, and not Russia (Russian nationalists)

So it wasn't "held up", except you say it was "held up", but when you say "held up", you don't mean "held up", because words have no meaning anymore and you can't be expected to remember your position from post-to-post.

Maybe you meant to post this under one of your different IDs...that way you can give yourself plausible deniability.

 

[tiny1]

Yanno, I hate to come here on my first post, and bust people's bubbles, but if President Trump were as obviously guilty as the left here is trying to assert, Pence would already be President and Trump would be wearing Striped Pajamas.
The Truth is, that withholding aid to a country is not illegal. It is Trump's prerogative. In fact, Quid pro quo isn't illegal, either.
Now, if anyone here can be honest with themselves, which I doubt, and put their hatred aside, riddle me this. It is obvious to the neutral observer, that the left has been lying and spinning ever since Trump was duly elected, much the same way the right reacted to Obama, just not as rabidly. The talk of impeachment was leveled BEFORE the 2016 General Election. Apparently, something triggered the left into a meltdown. Why?
As an Independent, I am one of the ones who elected President Trump. We all know that no President can be elected without aid from the Independents. I have watched as the left continues to alienate and marginalize the Indy Voters. We are becoming more and more irritated at the left. For three years, all y'all have done is cry about Trump. Do you remember the left's reaction to the Hillary Loss? Screaming rooms, safe spaces, Newscasters Crying tears, college kids melting down across the country. And all the Chicken Littles screaming "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" Guess what? The Sky didn't fall. In fact, the American Worker is much better off, now.
Yep, the only one in Washington doing anything for the American People is Trump. The Republicans sit on their hands, thinking of ways to battle the Left. The Dems are obsessed with Impeaching Trump, and have neglected their Duties to their constituents. They should be working on Immigration and Border Security, Infrastructure, Energy Policy, Health care, and any other pressing issue facing American Families. But for three years, they've been chasing their tails.
I am no genius and even I know this Impeachment Nonsense is going NOWHERE. You should recognize that too, and get ready, since no sitting President has ever been removed by Impeachment, and No Incumbent President has ever been voted out, under a Booming Economy and the economy is Booming.
But, I guess you can Dream On. It is your right.

 

[LV426]

he Ukrainian Embassy under Shulyar, said she instructed him to help Chalupa research connections between Drumpf, Manafort and Russia. “Oksana said that if I had any information, or knew other people who did, then I should contact Chalupa,” recalled Telizhenko, who is now a political consultant in Kiev. “They were coordinating an investigation with the Hillary team on Paul Manafort with Alexandra Chalupa,” he said, adding “Oksana was keeping it all quiet,” but “the embassy worked very closely with” Chalupa.

How is this "election interference"? It's not. And Paul Manafort is currently sitting in jail for his illegal Ukraine schemes.

So you're exaggerating and embellishing to try and manipulate people into thinking Ukraine did what Russia did in 2016; hack and troll and interfere. But then you go and post a quote from an article that doesn't say they did any of that.

"top down"means direct involvement with Poroshenko who did not need to be part of it -it was done mostly at the diplomatic level.

So you're moving the bar on "election interference".

First, your claim was that Ukraine interfered in the election.

Then, you softly moved that goalpost back to include an investigation of someone who is currently sitting in prison for crimes specifically related to Ukraine.

So your definition of "election interference" seems to be as fungible as your IDs.

ou can read the long article and learn the depths of collusion , or remain ignorant. makes no difference to me
I'm going swimming either way now.

LMAO! BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

First of all, bullshit that you're going swimming.

Secondly, how convenient that the moment we start picking apart the sole piece of evidence you think supports you, you have to leave.

Hmmm. Funny, that. What a coincidence! The moment you can't argue that Ukraine did what Russia did in 2016, you have to leave all of a sudden and you appeal to the authority of the article that you haven't read.