Trump Is To Blame For Innocent Airliner Deaths And Trashed Credibility Of USA.

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
No he didn’t.
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If he had not pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, this whole chain of stupid reprisals would never have ratcheted up to this point.

We had a deal. We gave our word as a nation. Trump foolishly trashed the deal and with it our word and our credibility. And the result of that has not led to his promised result of a better deal. Instead, it has driven Iran further from making a deal. Trump doesn't know what he's doing with foreign affairs. He is a neophyte.
 
Hello Penderyn,

Penderyn said:
The trouble is that the likes of Trump have very selective historical memories. Everything goes back to the overthrow of democracy by the Americans (because Mossadeqh was going to nationalise the oil industry, and the oil companies called up their dogs). Many, many people hated the Shah's dictatorship, but the only possible alternative at the time was the Mosque, and the only thing that has kept the clerical regime in being is American hatred. The murder of General Soleimani was an act of unutterable stupidity by a senile fool, as was the withdrawal from the nuclear deal. Clearly the Ukrainian plane would never have been shot down but for the crisis the fool introduced, and if the fatman 'wins' now, the victory will be paid for in blood over a very long time. You'd think that, with all those ex-Irish people, the US would have learned this!
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He immortalized Soleimani as a martyr.

From now on, every major terrorist attack will include the final words of a suicide attacker invoking the name of Soleimani.

Trump has all the finesse of a power drunk fool stirring a hornets nest.
 
PoliTalker said:
stirring a hornets nest.
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This^

On foreseeability, when you open a maniac's cage, bad unintended consequences are foreseeable.

When you kill the general of a theocratic fanatical terrorist nation, all out fucking war with thousands dead was "foreseeable"

I guarantee 176 dead was in the probabilistic range as a blowback figure. And this WAS blowback. That missile was trying to shoot down
what some soldier though was a US bomber, not a fucking missile. They just can't admit that part.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Penderyn,



He immortalized Soleimani as a martyr.

From now on, every major terrorist attack will include the final words of a suicide attacker invoking the name of Soleimani.

Trump has all the finesse of a power drunk fool stirring a hornets nest.
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Actually, a bloody terrorist was eliminated. Aren’t you glad that he won’t be murdering more Americans and Iranian protestors, Snowflake?
 
PoliTalker said:
He never should have gone back on our word by pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal.

You don't prevent somebody from building nukes by forcing them to do it.

And you don't build national credibility by going back on your word.
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What the fuck does the above have to do with Iran shooting down a Ukraine airliner?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



If he had not pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, this whole chain of stupid reprisals would never have ratcheted up to this point.

We had a deal. We gave our word as a nation. Trump foolishly trashed the deal and with it our word and our credibility. And the result of that has not led to his promised result of a better deal. Instead, it has driven Iran further from making a deal. Trump doesn't know what he's doing with foreign affairs. He is a neophyte.
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And if there were no Iran Deal the mullahs wouldn’t have received billions for their terrorism and proxy wars.

Trump nixed the bone-headed Iran Deal, sanctioned the regime and has them on the verge of collapse—without sacrificing a single American life.

Here in Fly Over Country we call that ‘getting her done’. Like I said in another thread: if Trump is a foreign policy dunce—the dunce is about 20 years late to the party.
 
PoliTalker said:
He never should have gone back on our word by pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal.

You don't prevent somebody from building nukes by forcing them to do it.

And you don't build national credibility by going back on your word.
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Why do you love Iran and hate America? Are you an Iranian agent?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



If he had not pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, this whole chain of stupid reprisals would never have ratcheted up to this point.

We had a deal. We gave our word as a nation. Trump foolishly trashed the deal and with it our word and our credibility. And the result of that has not led to his promised result of a better deal. Instead, it has driven Iran further from making a deal. Trump doesn't know what he's doing with foreign affairs. He is a neophyte.
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Why are you lobbying for Iran? Have you registered as a foreign agent?
 
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