SmarterthanYou
rebel
why? why not the real first responders, which is we the people?
This is how you do a protest
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why? why not the real first responders, which is we the people?
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I'm fine with guns being legal. But just like everything else, guns should be regulated.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
A society where the people have as much power as the police is essentially a country without laws. Laws are enforced through the police force.
Now with that being said, cops shouldn't have total power over us. I support the push to have all cops wear body cams, to make sure they're not abusing their power.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
it sounds more like you trust government more than you trust your fellow americans..............you're aware that police have no legal obligation or requirement to provide us protection, right?
Fair enough. I guess the UK is just inherently authoritarian.
Then I guess it's time to re-evaluate how the West treats things. Clearly, the West is leaning towards thoughtcrimes at this point.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I don't trust government either, but at least with the government, we have checks and balances, transparency, and elections to keep everyone in line. It's not a perfect system, but it does work. And if you mean that a cop won't go to jail for failing to help us, that's true, but their job is to help us. If they fail, they should get fired, and that provides them an incentive.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
well, first off the whole checks and balances thing is out the window. Unless you have been ignoring government for the last 20 years, they rarely, if ever, suffer any consequences for misconduct. secondly, you need to familiarize yourself with judicially created concepts/legal theories of what qualified immunity is and thats just a start.
https://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-who-subdued-killer/
Libertarians are naive about trade policy, but they get most domestic economics right. The market really does do most things better than the government.
You're pretty naive about the government's intentions with guns though. The states that are the most restrictive show us what other states would do if given enough power. And countries like the UK and Australia ended up banning most guns after 2 incidents that looked mysteriously like false flags.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Most of the world is. America is really the exception when it comes to free speech. At least for now.
Not anymore than we always have. I'm fine with debating the supposed merits of Fascism, but considering that logic and facts don't work on most people, I also understand deplatforming Fascists. It's definitely an interesting debate, but it's not anything new in the West.
A semiauto rifle is not a "machine gun." Still, your argument could just as easily be used to say that I could defend myself with a knife. Why do I need a gun, if I have knife?
We could take it a step further and say that you don't need a knife if you know martial arts. And you don't need martial arts if you hire personal security.
Rights aren't based on "need", because needs are dependent on resources and are as mutable as the situation allows for.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd be happy to see it. It would be a great way to dispel this notion that only white people care about gun rights. If you paid attention to this protest, you'll notice several minority groups -- like Black Guns Matter.
and remember this?
PHOENIX — About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32457652/...ult-rifle-attends-obama-protest/#.XijeXchKjIU
And that was a problem with the NRA and Reagan. If anything, this particular event is a good example of how many gun control efforts specifically targeted minorities.
If you care about minority rights, you should understand that allowing minorities to be armed is a good defense against the state and against criminals. This is the premise behind the group Black Guns Matter.
Uh.... not in any sane system. Under a dictatorship, sure....
SWAT teams do handle terror situations, but they are a small contingent of overall police. The average cop isn't that heavily armed.
They are -- quite heavily, I might add.
Body cams are a good initiative, but plenty of police departments have not been transparent with the release of footage.
The power that police have isn't tied as much to weaponry as it is authority. Just because Joe the gun collector has a small armory, it doesn't mean that he has more power than the police. No collector is going to have the physical power to take on a SWAT team anyway.
FFLs technically can possess better firepower than the cops by a good margin, but they're also heavily regulated by the ATF.
Deplatforming is basically an admission that you don't believe in the marketplace of ideas. If that concept is erroneous, then there's no point to having free speech.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Stone doesn't bother with definitions of facts; because such things interfere with her "opinions", that she truly believes are factual.
Given recent court rulings, that's not how it works though. We can't really depend on cops to much degree because of the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that they aren't obligated to protect us. That's what Smarter was referring to.
Given that context, arming yourself with more than just bolt action guns with small magazines makes sense.
They want war and riots. What ever helps their bottom line.