Trump to pardon Benedict Arnold?

[Ralph]

Are you serious? You think TRUTH is decided by MAJORITY VOTE?


OK, you seem to be interested in employment figures. Take a vote on this:

Number of full-time employees in the U.S. 1990 - 2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/192356/number-of-full-time-employees-in-the-usa-since-1990/

[It's a graph which I can't copy here, sorry.]

You can see the 2008 recession and the recovery which took 4-5 years; but can you spot where the stable genius took over?

OK "CORKIE".....so a 5 year child water head can understand it...…...Remember what Mark Twain said bout NUMBERS? Figures don't lie but LIARS sure as hell figure? That spread sheet.....why only FULL TIME JOBS? What are the part time seasonal jobs not used in determining the number of existing JOBS? Obama sure included those part time and underemployed (people taking jobs that were far below their previous employee wage scale) jobs when determining his unemployment rate. You present a chart pointing in the direction that suits your strawman argument.....when the real state of the UNION is determined via LABOR PARTICIPATION. When you use ALL the factors concerning LABOR you find an amazing truth. Under Obama indeed increased the Labor Participation rate ...with a slight twist...the jobs being created were by majority low skill, low wage jobs.

You will find that participation had increased under OBAMA...... labor was increasing WITH FAMILIES "BELOW" THE AVERAGE INCOME SCALE and the labor participation rate was decreasing with families that had an ABOVE AVERAGE INCOME SCALE. Things that make you go.....hummmmmmmmmmmmm!!! All those shovel ready jobs turned out to be min. wage jobs that required both wife and husband to work to maintain a family....sometimes requiring the head of the household to maintain 2 part time jobs.

Truth: This was by design. All the above average income jobs had been sent overseas to cheaper labor markets to nations such as China, Korea, etc, nations that have no concern about labor or child labor laws. Obama will always be remembered as the WELFARE KING.....why? Because his policies made it easier to make a living off welfare than having to work 2 min. wage or part time jobs …..welfare simply PAID MORE. The objective of the left is to always make people dependent upon GOVERNMENT.

You want to see a chart? Look at the chart on welfare and the Obama years. Welfare increased by 41% under Obama. Simply show us a government source that proves different. Obama gutted the welfare reform acts of the 90s...and removed the work requirement restrictions.



Seriously.....truth is decided upon determining the reasoned and logical facts in evidence. When there is not enough facts in evidence TRUTH is determined in a PRIMA FACIE manner or beyond the reason of any sane person to doubt otherwise.

Example: You BITCHING about Trump using his executive authority in granting clemency to individuals that he feels have been unjustly sentenced. Reality: Trump has exercised this constitutional right of the executive branch less than 30 times......BHO used the pen to release over 1900 individuals some who had been convicted of TREASON.

More reasoned truth: Why have you not provided a detailed accounting of how Obama used over 800 Billion dollars that belonged to the PEOPLE of the United States under the pretense of making SHOVEL READY JOBS? There is no such detailed accounting list. The left uses such as a personal slush fund just like they do the scam of not having to account for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of US TAXPAYER dollars that are earmarked as FOREIGN AID.

More reasoned TRUTH? The money laundering kick back scam of TAX PAYER dollars is exactly why the LEFT has been attempting to remove Trump from office since day 1.....its never been about justice or the CONSTITUTION as feigned by the phony tuff asswipes on the left....ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT "CYA".....covering their own asses before they end up in an orange jump suits themselves.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

A strawman argument from a leftist? Who'd a thunk it? Just WHO THE HELL is arguing about capitalism? Why deflect with an argument that was never tabled? Its an indoctrinated trait of all leftists. When you can't defend one argument with any logical and reasoned response....its time to SAVE THE FACE IN THE MIRROR with another argument never tabled in the first place.

Since you started this strawman ablaze......its FREEDOM that controls all aspects of capitalism. Capitalism can only work where liberty exists. Socialism can only exist where liberty is retarded. No one forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market. People freely choose to purchase services and products that make their lives better....if that service or product does not work, the people freely choose to stop purchasing a product or service that does not work.....unlike products such as Obama Care that are forced upon everyone via the power of the state under threat of fine and or imprisonment.

Socialism and liberty cannot co-exist. Charity is not a state issue......charity comes from the heart of the individual....freely, without thought of recompense. Its not charity when you are forced to support your neighbor who is a healthy well bodied person that simply refuses to engage in the economic system. 10% is Good enough for God....its good enough for Government charity. There should be a 10% cap on all taxes.

Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know. Therre is no freedom under capitalism, obviously.

 

[Earl]

A strawman argument from a leftist? Who'd a thunk it? Just WHO THE HELL is arguing about capitalism? Why deflect with an argument that was never tabled? Its an indoctrinated trait of all leftists. When you can't defend one argument with any logical and reasoned response....its time to SAVE THE FACE IN THE MIRROR with another argument never tabled in the first place.

Since you started this strawman ablaze......its FREEDOM that controls all aspects of capitalism. Capitalism can only work where liberty exists. Socialism can only exist where liberty is retarded. No one forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market. People freely choose to purchase services and products that make their lives better....if that service or product does not work, the people freely choose to stop purchasing a product or service that does not work.....unlike products such as Obama Care that are forced upon everyone via the power of the state under threat of fine and or imprisonment.

Socialism and liberty cannot co-exist. Charity is not a state issue......charity comes from the heart of the individual....freely, without thought of recompense. Its not charity when you are forced to support your neighbor who is a healthy well bodied person that simply refuses to engage in the economic system. 10% is Good enough for God....its good enough for Government charity. There should be a 10% cap on all taxes.

Indeed!

 

[Earl]

Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know.

There’s an enormous amount that you don’t know, America hating pende*o.

Perhaps that is why you come to an American forum everyday...to become less ignorant.

 

[Ralph]

Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know. Therre is no freedom under capitalism, obviously.

Yeah......you don't KNOW why you just attempted to argue that BHO was responsible for bringing back the high wage industrial blue collar jobs for middle class American Citizens yet somehow also had to add over 41 Million US Citizens to the rolls of welfare because they could not support their families on the Jobs available during the Obama Administration?

How about that? I agree...clearly you don't know.

There is no freedom under capitalism? Who forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market? The only way capitalism can exist is by the free will purchases of goods and services. Just like you.....who forced you to purchase the piece of technology that you are now using to suggest that Subjective Ad Hominem Bullshit carries as much weight in determining truth as do the FACTS IN EVIDINCE? Did your neighbor purchase this communication device for you? Did Big Brother buy it for you? Well....I might stand corrected....if you are one of the countless millions of socialists living off the tit of Big Brother....you might just have a point.

But more than likely (a subjective opinion) YOUR MOMMY purchased that piece of technology for you...as you have never had to work a day in your life as you go to school on your parents bank account....you waste your time in college seeking accolade from your peers who also have never had to work an honest day in their lives? Perhaps one day you will be tossed into the real world and realize...the world does not need any more experts in socialism but it needs WORKERS to tax.....you will one day MATURE and have a rebirth into the realm of reality.

What then do you do when you RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY? You move in beside nations like Venezuela to enjoy all that socialist freedom......to starve.

Idiots, children we have on the left with no capacity for critical independent thought

Do you comprehend the reality of just what you are endorsing? A failed ideology that has never worked in the history of the world....SOCIALISM. The most evil political concept ever imagined by mankind. A political ideology that supposedly seeks SOCIAL JUSTICE but does not care to mention the documented fact that Socialism buried over 100 million human souls in shallow graves in the 20th century in its quest of a Social UTOPIA. Now that's a straw man argument worth burning.

www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Yeah......you don't KNOW why you just attempted to argue that BHO was responsible for bringing back the high wage industrial blue collar jobs for middle class American Citizens yet somehow also had to add over 41 Million US Citizens to the rolls of welfare because they could not support their families on the Jobs available during the Obama Administration?

How about that? I agree...clearly you don't know.

There is no freedom under capitalism? Who forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market? The only way capitalism can exist is by the free will purchases of goods and services. Just like you.....who forced you to purchase the piece of technology that you are now using to suggest that Subjective Ad Hominem Bullshit carries as much weight in determining truth as do the FACTS IN EVIDINCE? Did your neighbor purchase this communication device for you? Did Big Brother buy it for you? Well....I might stand corrected....if you are on the countless millions of socialists living off the tit of Big Brother....you might just have a point.

But more than likely (a subjective opinion) YOUR MOMMY purchased that piece of technology for you...as you have never had to work a day in your life as you go to school on your parents bank account....you waste your time in college seeking accolade from your peers who also have never had to work an honest day in their lives? Perhaps one day you will be tossed into the real world and realize...the world does not need any more experts in socialism but it needs WORKERS to tax.....you will one day MATURE and have a rebirth into the realm of reality.

What then do you do when you RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY? You move in beside nations like Venezuela to enjoy all that socialist freedom......to starve.

Idiots, children we have on the left with no capacity for critical independent thought

Under a master, kid, you either do that master's bidding, go to jail or starve. I really don't know what you are quacking about mostly: I'm afraid you are very heavily brainwashed. Money belongs, kid, to those who do the work - us. You do fuck all except crap propaganda, ever.

 

[Earl]

Under a master, kid, you either do that master's bidding, go to jail or starve. I really don't know what you are quacking about mostly: I'm afraid you are very heavily brainwashed. Money belongs, kid, to those who do the work - us. You do fuck all except crap propaganda, ever.

“I really don't know ...” defines you.

Take a hike, America hating pende*o.

 

[Ralph]

Under a master, kid, you either do that master's bidding, go to jail or starve. I really don't know what you are quacking about mostly: I'm afraid you are very heavily brainwashed. Money belongs, kid, to those who do the work - us. You do fuck all except crap propaganda, ever.

My argument that cannot be broken in a LOGICAL way. Socialism and a FREE MARKET cannot exist at the same time....there is no such animal as a "socialist democracy". Why?

Socialism: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry, property and the economy. Democracy: a political system ruled by THE PEOPLE.

Logical question? How can both be true at the same instant? How can the STATE/GOVERNMENT control all aspects of a society (like the Nazi's, the Russians, the Chicoms, Cuba, Ven.,,etc.) yet.....the PEOPLE are free to control the same system? Its a logical fallacy directly in conflict with the 1st rule of logical thought....the Law of the excluded middle which states nothing can be both true and false, either one is true or its negation (opposite) is true. There can be no conjoining of ONE TRUTH and its negation to make 2 truths...i.e., an OXYMORONIC position.

Circular Reasoning: AKA.....circular logic (or the lack of logic): A logical fallacy. Just keep repeating your supposed same facts or lack of over and over and claiming that its truth because you always circle back around to confirm your argument....with your original position with the words you started. Layman terms: Keep telling a lie over and over and even you begin to believe it.

Example: Fossil dating. You dig up a fossil and date it because of the age of the dirt in which its found. And you date the strata (dirt) by the fossil remains found to exist buried within it.. I hope if someone digs up my grave in a few thousand years they don't declare that I am as old as the dirt that I was found in.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

My argument that cannot be broken in a LOGICAL way. Socialism and a FREE MARKET cannot exist at the same time. Obviously. Capitalism is the antithesis of democracy.


Socialism: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry, property and the economy. Bullshit. Socialism is democratic control of the economy in the interest of the people who do all the work

How can the STATE/GOVERNMENT control all aspects of a society? The government of a state is the central committee of the boss class. Under socialism we won't need it.

Since you use capitalist definitions you come to capitalist conclusions, kid. Naturally.