Crowds flock to reopened Jacksonville beaches as Florida hits record coronavirus case

[Dutch Uncle]

Jacksonville is going to become a COVID hot spot. Mid-May should be really interesting there. Nice town back in the 90s. I was at NAS Jacksonville living on base and porting out of NS Mayport which was actually near the beach.

https://patch.com/florida/sarasota/jacksonvilles-beaches-reopen-despite-23-new-coronavirus-cases

The mayor said beachgoers must observe social distancing rules and will not be permitted to sunbathe or bring coolers, blankets,

"This decision was made in collaboration with law enforcement, first responders and the beaches' mayors," Curry said.

Despite the rules, news video showed what appeared to be large numbers of people disregarding social distancing guidelines when the beaches reopened.

 

[Bill]

Bill, do you really think you are in danger of catching Covid on the beach? Seriously?



I don't know about CA, but I've never had to get close to strangers on the beach even in the busiest times of August. And there is wind galore so the chances of breathing in droplets is nil.

As it gets hotter I think this will fizzle out like other flu's and colds. Will it return in the Fall or disappear like SARs and MERs? No one knows. Hopefully the latter.

I hope you are correct & the heat & humidity do the trick..

I'm not afraid.. While ppl complain about what is happening in Fla, Georgia etc I don't hear anyone bitching about Santa Cruz, Ca doing exactly the same thing..

It is less than 40 miles from down town San Jose, the worse spot in the entire bay area..

 

[Arks&sparka]

That's great as long as you understand the issue that way and the people doing this picture do also. The problem is that is not the messaging.
The message is that it is safe now. We know that Trumpvid19 started with one person or a handful, and in 6 months is a global pandemic with
hundreds of thousands dead. The exchange is the economy for increased and further death. And the reckless aren't just betting their own lives in that wager.

We can't just stop living for this. People are going to die just like every other day of your life and nobody cares until now.

 

[domer76]

Good morning domer76,



You could be more welcoming to newcomers.

What. Are you trying to prevent more participation in the forum?

Newcomers don’t possess any more favored status than anyone else. If they post the bullshit that our newbie just did, they are fair game. Just like any of the liars and bullshitters on this forum.

Any and all participation is welcome. There is no secret formula for welcome discourse. Just refrain from lies and BS and all is fine

 

[Dutch Uncle]

We can't just stop living for this. People are going to die just like every other day of your life and nobody cares until now.

I haven't stopped living. Yes, people are going to die every day, but there's a difference between a normal, peaceful day of routine deaths and a nuclear exchange day with an abnormally large number of deaths. The idea of doubling or quadrupling the annual number of deaths from a contagious disease isn't a "normal, peaceful day of routine deaths".

As you've seen me advocate, I fully support letting local government make their decisions. Individual freedoms require individual accountability. Those local governments should also be held accountable for their actions. If later to be found criminally negligent or civilly liable, then so be it.

Secondly, I fully support letting the cards fall as they may; Evolution in Action. Let the weak and stupid be weeded out by natural selection.

 

[Arks&sparka]

I haven't stopped living. Yes, people are going to die every day, but there's a difference between a normal, peaceful day of routine deaths and a nuclear exchange day with an abnormally large number of deaths. The idea of doubling or quadrupling the annual number of deaths from a contagious disease isn't a "normal, peaceful day of routine deaths".

Right but you could die at any moment from things other than this. If you spend your life scared of dying you don't live, you merely exist.

As you've seen me advocate, I fully support letting local government make their decisions. Individual freedoms require individual accountability. Those local governments should also be held accountable for their actions. If later to be found criminally negligent or civilly liable, then so be it.

I don't think anybody should ever be found criminally negligent for not being a dictator.

Secondly, I fully support letting the cards fall as they may; Evolution in Action. Let the weak and stupid be weeded out by natural selection.

If you really believe in natural selection you understand it's not the people that are going out and doing things it's the people in nursing homes that are going to die. From an evolutionary standpoint if you want to view things that coldly their purpose has been fulfilled.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Right but you could die at any moment from things other than this. If you spend your life scared of dying you don't live, you merely exist.
I don't think anybody should ever be found criminally negligent for not being a dictator.

If you really believe in natural selection you understand it's not the people that are going out and doing things it's the people in nursing homes that are going to die. From an evolutionary standpoint if you want to view things that coldly their purpose has been fulfilled.

Of course. I hope you understand the difference between looking for trouble and having trouble find you.

You are free to think so but this isn't dictatorship. If a sewage line broke heavily contaminating a section of beach, do you seriously think the Mayor shouldn't be held liable for saying "it's okay. It's safe"?

Yes. We all die, some sooner than later. I've died once and almost died a couple of times. While my heart would still pump wildly in overly-exciting situations, death is painless. It's a release. Nothing to fear. The only fear would be the transition. Lying in bed slowly strangling to death for two weeks isn't on my Top Ten list. Neither is terminal cancer. I'm not going to purposely expose myself to COVID19, despite a sliver lining**. Yes, I understand this will hit the elderly and those with other serious illnesses the hardest. Young people have died of this too, probably odd genetic quirks, but mostly the elderly. I'm 64, so I'm vulnerable.



**this disease is highly contagious and deadly. The main concern is to have so many cases that the hospitals can't take care of them and people start dying in droves for lack of treatment. Since that is likely to happen anyone if we "open the country", then would it be smarter to become infected and be the first in the hospital while there's plenty of resources?

 

[Life is Golden]

I hope you are correct & the heat & humidity do the trick..

I'm not afraid.. While ppl complain about what is happening in Fla, Georgia etc I don't hear anyone bitching about Santa Cruz, Ca doing exactly the same thing..

It is less than 40 miles from down town San Jose, the worse spot in the entire bay area..

Cuz the fake news likes the politics there. That's why.

 

[Bill]

Cuz the fake news likes the politics there. That's why.

Yep, hypocritical

 

[Life is Golden]

Jacksonville is going to become a COVID hot spot. Mid-May should be really interesting there. Nice town back in the 90s. I was at NAS Jacksonville living on base and porting out of NS Mayport which was actually near the beach.

https://patch.com/florida/sarasota/jacksonvilles-beaches-reopen-despite-23-new-coronavirus-cases

The mayor said beachgoers must observe social distancing rules and will not be permitted to sunbathe or bring coolers, blankets,

"This decision was made in collaboration with law enforcement, first responders and the beaches' mayors," Curry said.

Despite the rules, news video showed what appeared to be large numbers of people disregarding social distancing guidelines when the beaches reopened.

Here's a live cam right now. Your lies are long debunked.

Jacksonville's cases are going down. You don't catch Covid on a beach, dummy.

 

[Mason Michaels]

We can't just stop living for this. People are going to die just like every other day of your life and nobody cares until now.

You first

 

[Mason Michaels]

Here's a live cam right now. Your lies are long debunked.

Jacksonville's cases are going down. You don't catch Covid on a beach, dummy.

So if you're french kissing a stranger from NY on the beach,it's impossible to catch C-19

 

[Life is Golden]

So if you're french kissing a stranger from NY on the beach,it's impossible to catch C-19

No, but it's impossible to catch it just taking a walk on the beach like a normal person.

This is common sense, not rocket science.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here's a live cam right now. Your lies are long debunked.

[video=youtube;myjH6SDCrmM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myjH6SDCrmM&feature=emb_title&fbclid=IwAR1QI6xpiUp6n_v0wUA5QYz2QsOo7hCNmKHsIADRX FFPhwdqbe2DBCD9cR4
Jacksonville's cases are going down. You don't catch Covid on a beach, dummy.

Relax, sweet cheeks. Let's wait a month to see what happens instead of rushing to judgment. Where are the beach pix we talked about?

 

[Arks&sparka]

Of course. I hope you understand the difference between looking for trouble and having trouble find you.

I doubt anybody going about their business is looking for trouble.

You are free to think so but this isn't dictatorship.

Under this shut down it absolutely is. If you are jailed or fined for practicing your religion or operating a business that's exactly what it is.

If a sewage line broke heavily contaminating a section of beach, do you seriously think the Mayor shouldn't be held liable for saying "it's okay. It's safe"?

Not the same thing. A sewer line breaking at the beach wouldn't result in forbidding you from interesting your business 400 miles inland.

Yes. We all die, some sooner than later. I've died once and almost died a couple of times. While my heart would still pump wildly in overly-exciting situations, death is painless. It's a release. Nothing to fear. The only fear would be the transition.

fear itself.

Lying in bed slowly strangling to death for two weeks isn't on my Top Ten list. Neither is terminal cancer. I'm not going to purposely expose myself to COVID19, despite a sliver lining**.

So you'll stay in your house and starve to death? If you go out to get groceries you are purposefully exposing yourself, if you have them delivered you are purposefully exposing yourself.

Yes, I understand this will hit the elderly and those with other serious illnesses the hardest. Young people have died of this too, probably odd genetic quirks, but mostly the elderly. I'm 64, so I'm vulnerable.

but you were talking about natural selection and natural selection selects them not the people you want it to.

You can't exist in public and do things that reduce your risk you can never eliminate your risk unless you have a stockpile of food you can eat.

**this disease is highly contagious and deadly. The main concern is to have so many cases that the hospitals can't take care of them and people start dying in droves for lack of treatment. Since that is likely to happen anyone if we "open the country", then would it be smarter to become infected and be the first in the hospital while there's plenty of resources?

So throw out the Constitution and the entire American value system to halt an unlikely scenario? Makes great sense.

 

[Arks&sparka]

You first

Maybe, maybe not. Living in fear is no way to live. I've spent enough of my life doing that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I doubt anybody going about their business is looking for trouble.
Under this shut down it absolutely is. If you are jailed or fined for practicing your religion or operating a business that's exactly what it is. Not the same thing. A sewer line breaking at the beach wouldn't result in forbidding you from interesting your business 400 miles inland.
fear itself.
So you'll stay in your house and starve to death? If you go out to get groceries you are purposefully exposing yourself, if you have them delivered you are purposefully exposing yourself.
but you were talking about natural selection and natural selection selects them not the people you want it to.
You can't exist in public and do things that reduce your risk you can never eliminate your risk unless you have a stockpile of food you can eat.
So throw out the Constitution and the entire American value system to halt an unlikely scenario? Makes great sense.

Nice rant. Lots of anger and hatred going on there. Fear too. I can smell it.

Sooooooo do you plan on arming up and go light up City Hall? That's the best way to handle unconstitutional dictators. If you don't, then you are either a coward or you've exaggerated. Which is it?

As noted several times on this thread and others: I favor opening of everything. Let God sort it out.

 

[Life is Golden]

"Jacksonville ~ has less than 20 cases per day." -Deborah Birx

 

[Sailor]

No, but it's impossible to catch it just taking a walk on the beach like a normal person.

This is common sense, not rocket science.

Common sense is so.......very fucking uncommon amongmost liberals and Democrats.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Nice rant. Lots of anger and hatred going on there. Fear too. I can smell it.

Projecting emotion into others is emblematic of being emotional.

No anger, this isn't personal to me.

Sooooooo do you plan on arming up and go light up City Hall?

Haven't got there yet when they start oppressing people I have no choice. If you stand by and allow it you are culpable in it.

That's the best way to handle unconstitutional dictators. If you don't, then you are either a coward or you've exaggerated. Which is it?

Nether, we simply aren't there yet, not to merit violence.

As noted several times on this thread and others: I favor opening of everything. Let God sort it out.

Sorry I guess I just support a more pragmatic approach.