Another black Democrat walks away from the plantation, joins Trump

[BattleofHodow]

How Government Prolonged the Depression

FDR’s policies prolonged Great Depression

How FDR Prolonged the Great Depression

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years



Their starting point was TOTAL ECONOMIC RUIN. ANY system would have gone nowhere but up.



Using wildly one-sided trade deals that had zero to do with socialism.



Spain has double-digit unemployment and their economic "growth" barely moves at a crawl. It's total trash. And here you sit holding them up as a success story like a brainwashed buffoon.



China was in abject poverty and economic gridlock until the 1980s, when they abandoned their economic communism, deregulated and lowered taxes, and immediately exploded onto the scene, as EVERYONE does the moment they abandon economically illiterate leftist policies.

Time to lay down the crack pipe and find talking points that HAVEN'T been debunked for decades.

Good point, Spain is in worse shape since it turned more Capitalist since the Spanish Miracle.

Same holds true with Japan in the Lost Decade.

Yes, Japan was Socialist when it achieved the fastest economic growth in the 20th century.

As for FDR prolonging the Great Depression.

This is Libertarian propaganda, from the usual dunderhead suspects.

FDR achieved the fastest economic growth of any USA president during the 20th century.

But, but, but, No, Libertarians are retards.

 

[artichoke]

I watched your dumb video.

Translation: It said words I don't like.

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Where is your Libertarian utopia?

There needs to be some utopia to prove one set of policies work and another doesn't? Nice logic.

As for the lack of birth rate?
Blaming it on welfare?

People no longer need to have kids for economic support. They have the nanny state, so they don't have kids. That's not rocket science. It's what eighth graders would call "common knowledge."

Eastern Europe had much higher birth rates under Communism than today.

Because communism bankrupts, impoverishes, and enslaves everyone but the 1%...so people need kids to survive. Duh.

Poland's birth rate was far higher in 1989.

Again, communism.

The Polish government has used universal family income, to promote more births, and it is working better.

Due to aggressive deregulation and lowered taxes in the 1990s. You can't just omit the starting point and misrepresent a tiny misleading snapshot as what's happening due to socialism.

 

[artichoke]

Good point, Spain is in worse shape since it turned more Capitalist since the Spanish Miracle.

Same holds true with Japan in the Lost Decade.

Yes, Japan was Socialist when it achieved the fastest economic growth in the 20th century.

This is as misleading and debunked as every other lie you've been caught in.

As for FDR prolonging the Great Depression.

This is Libertarian propaganda, from the usual dunderhead suspects.

Throwing around labels is not refutation. Refute the evidence presented or admit you were wrong/lied.

FDR achieved the fastest economic growth of any USA president during the 20th century.

Repeating this debunked lie over the evidence won't make it less debunked.

Done correcting your ignorant lies for tonight.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Translation: It said words I don't like.

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There needs to be some utopia to prove one set of policies work and another doesn't? Nice logic.



People no longer need to have kids for economic support. They have the nanny state, so they don't have kids. That's not rocket science. It's what eighth graders would call "common knowledge."



Because communism bankrupts, impoverishes, and enslaves everyone but the 1%...so people need kids to survive. Duh.



Again, communism.



Due to aggressive deregulation and lowered taxes in the 1990s. You can't just omit the starting point and misrepresent a tiny misleading snapshot as what's happening due to socialism.

Communism is bad, but Libertarianism is even worse.

Poland like the rest of Eastern Europe saw collapsing birth rates with the Fall of the Berlin Wall.

Poland like the rest of Eastern Europe has also seen increased immigration with the Fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

[BattleofHodow]

This is as misleading and debunked as every other lie you've been caught in.



Throwing around labels is not refutation. Refute the evidence presented or admit you were wrong/lied.



Repeating this debunked lie over the evidence won't make it less debunked.

Done correcting your ignorant lies for tonight.

https://5minuteeconomist.com/which-presidents-were-best-and-worst-for-the-us-economy.html
\nterestingly enough, the president almost universally acknowledged to be the best since the founding fathers, Abraham Lincoln, ranks dead last for average EPI during his office. Obviously, a president’s legacy really is about more than just “the economy, stupid.”

EPI RANKING OF THE US PRESIDENTS
# President R/D
(F—federalist;
I—independent;
W—whig) Years Avg EPI during the term Avg EPI during the term Change in Average EPI
1 Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933–1945 D 1933–1945 33.1 83.3 7.5
2 Andrew Johnson: 1865–1869 D 1865–1869 26.1 89.2 14.1
3 William Howard Taft: 1909–1913 R 1909–1913 18.9 97.5 0.6
4 John Tyler (Harrison NR): 1841–1845 I 1841–1845 17.3 92.5 0.9
5 Harry S. Truman: 1945–1953 D 1945–1953 15.9 89.1 5.8
6 Ronald Reagan: 1981–1989 R 1981–1989 15.1 87.1 2.1
7 Warren G. Harding: 1921–1923 R 1921–1923 14.2 84.3 1.2
8 Rutherford B. Hayes: 1877–1881 R 1877–1881 13.2 101.1 5.0
9 Millard Fillmore: 1850–1853 W 1850–1853 11.0 98.6 8.2
10 Barack Obama: 2009–2016 D 2009–2016 9.9 84.4 -6.1
11 William McKinley: 1897–1901 R 1897–1901 7.2 97.7 6.9
12 Gerald Ford: 1974–1977 R 1975–1977 5.9 83.5 -7.4
13 Bill Clinton: 1993–2001 D 1993–2001 5.9 94.2 6.5
14 John Adams: 1797–1801 F 1797–1801 5.9 93.6 1.9
15 James Monroe: 1817–1825 D 1817–1825 5.7 91.9 3.2
16 Benjamin Harrison: 1889–1893 R 1889–1893 4.8 99.4 1.6
17 Ulysses S. Grant: 1869–1877 R 1869–1877 4.2 96.2 7.0
18 James Madison: 1809–1817 D 1809–1817 3.7 88.7 -2.7
19 Calvin Coolidge: 1923–1929 R 1923–1929 3.1 99.7 15.4
20 John F. Kennedy: 1961–1963 D 1961–1963 3.0 96.2 0.1
21 James Buchanan: 1857–1861 D 1857–1861 1.8 94.1 -1.3
22 Andrew Jackson: 1829–1837 D 1829–1837 1.2 96.7 0.9
23 John Quincy Adams: 1825–1829 D 1825–1829 1.2 95.8 3.9
24 George H. W. Bush: 1989–1993 R 1989–1993 -3.2 87.6 0.5
25 Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1953–1961 R 1953–1961 -3.2 96.1 6.9
26 Grover Cleveland: 1885–1889 D 1885–1889 -3.7 97.9 -0.7
27 Lyndon B. Johnson: 1963–1969 D 1963–1969 -4.2 97.2 1.0
28 Zachary Taylor: 1849–1850 W 1849–1850 -4.5 90.4 -4.2
29 Franklin Pierce: 1853–1857 D 1853–1857 -5.0 95.3 -3.3
30 James K. Polk: 1845–1849 D 1845–1849 -5.9 94.6 2.1
31 Grover Cleveland: 1893–1897 D 1893–1897 -8.6 90.8 -8.6
32 Martin Van Buren: 1837–1841 D 1837–1841 -9.7 91.6 -5.1
33 George W. Bush: 2001–2009 R 2001–2009 -10.8 90.5 -3.7
34 Richard Nixon: 1969–1974 R 1969–1975 -11.5 90.9 -6.3
35 Jimmy Carter: 1977–1981 D 1977–1981 -12.2 85.0 1.4
36 Chester A. Arthur (Garfield NR 1881): 1881–1885 R 1881–1885 -14.3 98.6 -2.6
37 Thomas Jefferson: 1801–1809 D 1801–1809 -15.2 91.5 -2.2
38 Woodrow Wilson: 1913–1921 D 1913–1921 -18.2 83.1 -14.4
39 Theodore Roosevelt: 1901–1909 R 1901–1909 -18.9 97.0 -0.7
40 Abraham Lincoln: 1861–1865 R 1861–1865 -30.7 75.1 -19.0
41 Herbert Hoover: 1929–1933 R 1929–1933 -45.8 75.8 -23.9
George Washington: 1789–1797 I 1

 

[BattleofHodow]

This is as misleading and debunked as every other lie you've been caught in.



Throwing around labels is not refutation. Refute the evidence presented or admit you were wrong/lied.



Repeating this debunked lie over the evidence won't make it less debunked.

Done correcting your ignorant lies for tonight.

Japan was Socialist in the Japanese economic miracle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economic_miracle

he reasons for Japan to complete industrialization are also complicated, and the major characteristic of this time is the influence of governmental policies of the Hayato Ikeda administration, vast consumption, and vast export.

Influence of governmental policies: Ikeda administration and keiretsu
In 1954, the economic system MITI had cultivated from 1949 to 1953 came into full effect. Prime Minister Hayato Ikeda, who Johnson[who?] calls "the single most important individual architect of the Japanese economic miracle," pursued a policy of heavy industrialization.[citation needed] This policy led to the emergence of 'over-loaning' (a practice that continues today) in which the Bank of Japan issues loans to city banks who in turn issue loans to industrial conglomerates. Since there was a shortage of capital in Japan at the time, industrial conglomerates borrowed beyond their capacity to repay, often beyond their net worth, causing city banks in turn to over-borrow from the Bank of Japan. This gave the national Bank of Japan complete control over dependent local banks.

The system of over-loaning, combined with the government's relaxation of anti-monopoly laws (a remnant of SCAP control) also led to the re-emergence of conglomerate groups called keiretsu that mirrored the wartime conglomerates, or zaibatsu. Led by the economic improvements of Sony businessmen Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, the keiretsu efficiently allocated resources and became competitive internationally.[14]

At the heart of the keiretsu conglomerates' success lay city banks, which lent generously, formalizing cross-share holdings in diverse industries. The keiretsu spurred both horizontal and vertical integration, locking out foreign companies from Japanese industries. Keiretsu had close relations with MITI and each other through the cross-placement of shares, providing protection from foreign take-overs. For example, 83% of Japan's Development Bank's finances went toward strategic industries: shipbuilding, electric power, coal and steel production.[15] Keiretsu proved crucial to protectionist measures that shielded Japan's sapling economy.

Keiretsu also fostered an attitude shift among Japanese managers that tolerated low profits in the short-run because keiretsu were less concerned with increasing stock dividends and profits and more concerned about interest payments. Approximately only two-thirds of the shares of a given company were traded, cushioning keiretsu against market fluctuations and allowing keiretsu managers to plan for the long-term and maximize market shares instead of focusing on short-term profits.

The Ikeda administration also instituted the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy, a system of import controls designed to prevent the flooding of Japan's markets by foreign goods. MITI used the foreign exchange allocation to stimulate the economy by promoting exports, managing investment and monitoring production capacity. In 1953, MITIs revised the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy to promote domestic industries and increase the incentive for exports by revising the export-link system. A later revision based production capacity on foreign exchange allocation to prevent foreign dumping.

 

[christiefan915]

The signature defense of the partisan hypocrite who's just been cornered with proof that his party is the problem..."Both parties suck."

He's right. The Dems suck less, though. Much less.

 

[artichoke]

He's right. The Dems suck less, though. Much less.

By causing every catastrophic policy failure from 9/11 to the 2008 economic collapse? By shredding virtually every single part of the Constitution? By aiding and rooting for every enemy this country faces? by colluding with foreign powers to manufacture bullshit scandals against their opponents while lying to federal judges, manipulating evidence, and illegally spying to rig elections? What exactly is "sucking less" about the party causing literally every problem this country is facing?

 

[artichoke]

Japan was Socialist in the Japanese economic miracle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economic_miracle

he reasons for Japan to complete industrialization are also complicated, and the major characteristic of this time is the influence of governmental policies of the Hayato Ikeda administration, vast consumption, and vast export.

Influence of governmental policies: Ikeda administration and keiretsu
In 1954, the economic system MITI had cultivated from 1949 to 1953 came into full effect. Prime Minister Hayato Ikeda, who Johnson[who?] calls "the single most important individual architect of the Japanese economic miracle," pursued a policy of heavy industrialization.[citation needed] This policy led to the emergence of 'over-loaning' (a practice that continues today) in which the Bank of Japan issues loans to city banks who in turn issue loans to industrial conglomerates. Since there was a shortage of capital in Japan at the time, industrial conglomerates borrowed beyond their capacity to repay, often beyond their net worth, causing city banks in turn to over-borrow from the Bank of Japan. This gave the national Bank of Japan complete control over dependent local banks.

The system of over-loaning, combined with the government's relaxation of anti-monopoly laws (a remnant of SCAP control) also led to the re-emergence of conglomerate groups called keiretsu that mirrored the wartime conglomerates, or zaibatsu. Led by the economic improvements of Sony businessmen Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, the keiretsu efficiently allocated resources and became competitive internationally.[14]

At the heart of the keiretsu conglomerates' success lay city banks, which lent generously, formalizing cross-share holdings in diverse industries. The keiretsu spurred both horizontal and vertical integration, locking out foreign companies from Japanese industries. Keiretsu had close relations with MITI and each other through the cross-placement of shares, providing protection from foreign take-overs. For example, 83% of Japan's Development Bank's finances went toward strategic industries: shipbuilding, electric power, coal and steel production.[15] Keiretsu proved crucial to protectionist measures that shielded Japan's sapling economy.

Keiretsu also fostered an attitude shift among Japanese managers that tolerated low profits in the short-run because keiretsu were less concerned with increasing stock dividends and profits and more concerned about interest payments. Approximately only two-thirds of the shares of a given company were traded, cushioning keiretsu against market fluctuations and allowing keiretsu managers to plan for the long-term and maximize market shares instead of focusing on short-term profits.

The Ikeda administration also instituted the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy, a system of import controls designed to prevent the flooding of Japan's markets by foreign goods. MITI used the foreign exchange allocation to stimulate the economy by promoting exports, managing investment and monitoring production capacity. In 1953, MITIs revised the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy to promote domestic industries and increase the incentive for exports by revising the export-link system. A later revision based production capacity on foreign exchange allocation to prevent foreign dumping.

Dude. You are agonizing to deal with. Endless blather about shit no one is talking about. Seventy "counterpoints" to everything anyone says, none of which actually refutes anything and most of which is already thoroughly debunked misinformation.

 

[christiefan915]

By causing every catastrophic policy failure from 9/11 to the 2008 economic collapse? By shredding virtually every single part of the Constitution? By aiding and rooting for every enemy this country faces? by colluding with foreign powers to manufacture bullshit scandals against their opponents while lying to federal judges, manipulating evidence, and illegally spying to rig elections? What exactly is "sucking less" about the party causing literally every problem this country is facing?

Spare us the hyperbole. Your idol reagan committed treason, selling arms to the Contras. Your idol bush started a war on false pretenses that resulted in the deaths of over 4K Americans. And before you bring up that drivel about Dems voting for the Iraq war, remember that bush said that he was the decider and he wasn't going to make decisions based on public opinion.

 

[Sailor]

Spare us the hyperbole. Your idol reagan committed treason, selling arms to the Contras. Your idol bush started a war on false pretenses that resulted in the deaths of over 4K Americans. And before you bring up that drivel about Dems voting for the Iraq war, remember that bush said that he was the decider and he wasn't going to make decisions based on public opinion.

What does that have to do with Dems voting for the Iraq Resolution?

 

[Legion]

What does that have to do with Dems voting for the Iraq Resolution?

Will you understand if she can't explain, Cap'n?

Her intent is to knock this thread off course.

 

[artichoke]

Spare us the hyperbole.

It's pretty much literal truth at this point. Can you name a single major catastrophe in the last 25 years that wasn't caused by Democrat policies?

Can you name a single part of the Constitution Democrats don't oppose?

Can you name a single enemy this country has faced in the last 25 years that Democrats didn't side with, make excuses for, and aid at every turn?

Newsflash: It's not hyperbole when it's a straight-up list of your accomplishments.

Your idol reagan

1) #whataboutism

2) DEMOCRATS force school children to worship their "messiah" presidents like tyrant-worshiping slaves. <== THIS is treating someone like an idol (conservatives just support Reagan's boldly and unapologetically conservative stances).

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committed treason, selling arms to the Contras.

Working around Democrat attempts to block all aid to freedom-fighters against bloodthirsty communist lunatics with that move was a patriotic work of GENIUS. Pretty much the EXACT OPPOSITE of treason. But I understand why someone who causes non-stop policy disasters for this country while aiding all our enemies, opposing our entire Constitution, and selling out the American people to illegal immigrants at every turn would MISTAKE patriotism for treason.

Your compass is obviously already pretty broken.

Your idol bush

1) #whataboutism. See how Democrats CONSTANTLY use this fallacy while falsely accusing others of it for correcting their false claims and hypocrisy, just like I keep saying?

Thanks for demonstrating yet again.

2) Again with this Kindergarten attempt at projecting the way only LEFTISTS treated OBAMA onto anyone who supported conservatives.

started a war on false pretenses

Provably false lie. Even the NY Times admitted there were THOUSANDS of WMD found in Iraq...but only YEARS AFTER lying about it relentlessly to smear Bush as a liar for telling the truth.

that resulted in the deaths of over 4K Americans.

Democrats shouldn't incompetently cause things like 9/11 if they don't want the wars such catastrophic policy failures make necessary.

Garbage in, garbage out. See how that works?

And before you bring up that drivel about Dems voting for the Iraq war, remember that bush said that he was the decider and he wasn't going to make decisions based on public opinion.

I wasn't GOING to bring that up, because it's not relevant. But since you did...

1) Getting Democrat votes wasn't about public opinion...the Constitution requires presidents to get authorization for war from Congress...something Democrat warmongers (Democrats have gotten us into and botched pretty much every war we've been in for the last hundred years) decided they didn't have to do under Obama.

2) Democrats voting for it just proves what lying hypocrites they were.

 

[artichoke]

What does that have to do with Dems voting for the Iraq Resolution?

christiefan915 is having a rough week...

-trying to correct people for comprehending what his own posts mean in English better than he can.
-insisting that the existence of a lot of bodies in one place can't possibly co-exist with COVID being no more deadly than the ordinary flu.
-forgetting which conversation he's responding to.
-lashing out at people for not detecting his "sarcasm" of making completely unrelated incoherent statements.

 

[artichoke]

 

[StoneByStone]

Uncle Toms gonna Uncle Tom.

 

[artichoke]

Uncle Toms gonna Uncle Tom.

Translation: Get back on your plantation, boy. No free thinkers allowed here.

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[StoneByStone]

Translation: Get back on your plantation, boy. No free thinkers allowed here.

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SJW bullshit.

 

[artichoke]

SJW bullshit.

Not content with how much you embarrassed yourself earlier, I see?

Yes, pointing out Democrat racism, dishonesty, and hypocrisy is clearly me being a Social Justice Warrior. Because that makes perfect sense.

 

[StoneByStone]

Not content with how much you embarrassed yourself earlier, I see?

You mean when I pointed out that Trump and his fellow Fascists lied about the virus and you had no reply, so you just copy pasted a bunch of shit?

Yes, pointing out Democrat racism, dishonesty, and hypocrisy is clearly me being a Social Justice Warrior. Because that makes perfect sense.

SJW cucks see racism everywhere. So, yeah, you're acting like an SJW.