Devout CATHOLICS Bishop Biden & Pope Pelosi - have Dem voters found religion?

StoneByStone said:
Yeah, because the HRE thought the land they were getting was more valuable than the land they were giving away, plus with the marriage alliance, they still had access to the resources of the Lusatias.
I guess you can make the argument that Germany both lost and gained something, while Poland only gained something, but I see it as making a compromise that left both Germany and Poland better off than they were before.
Like Sun Tzu said, no country has ever benefited from long periods of war. Better to compromise than win a long war. At least in most cases.
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Well, it proves my point, that Poland was about as powerful as Germany.
 
Cypress said:
I did not even know they are catholic.

The Democratic Party receives the disproportionate support of Jewish voters, Muslims, and I am guessing Hindus and Buddhists too.

So the more interesting question is why do Democrats attract religious diversity and tolerance in a way the GOP does not?
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A better question is why the Catholics of the Democrat party support abortion when the church position is.

The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.
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Grumpy said:
A better question is why the Catholics of the Democrat party support abortion when the church position is.
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Conservative Christians who support and worship the thoroughly inmoral, philandering, utterly unethical Donald Trump are in no position to sit in judgement of other Christians.
 
Cypress said:
Conservative Christians who support and worship the thoroughly inmoral, philandering, utterly unethical Donald Trump are in no position to sit in judgement of other Christians.
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Then you really should listen to me as none of the above applies to this conservative Christian. Sometimes one must make a distasteful decision when deciding what is best for the country, something that is totally alien to most liberals.
 
Grumpy said:
Then you really should listen to me as none of the above applies to this conservative Christian. Sometimes one must make a distasteful decision when deciding what is best for the country, something that is totally alien to most liberals.
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Trump is basically Obama but more to the Left by implemented policy.

Trump out did Obama on Socialism, like farmer freebies, stimulus bigger than Obama's.

But, Obama deported more illegals.

Other than that Trump is mostly theoretical, considering there's no Wall, still Obamacare & still Abortion.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Well, it proves my point, that Poland was about as powerful as Germany.
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I think if they were, they would have been able to conquer more territories that they tried to conquer. It seems more likely that Germany just ended the war through compromise because that was more beneficial in the long run.
Not that the Polish aren't a strong people, it's just that they didn't have the numbers that the Germans or the French had.
 
StoneByStone said:
I think if they were, they would have been able to conquer more territories that they tried to conquer. It seems more likely that Germany just ended the war through compromise because that was more beneficial in the long run.
Not that the Polish aren't a strong people, it's just that they didn't have the numbers that the Germans or the French had.
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Poland did conquer quite a bit, by the 1600's the Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth was as big in land mass as the German Holy Roman Empire.

 
WitoldPilecki said:
Indeed, just like Austria-Hungary?
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Austria actually conquered the Hungarians and other peoples in that territory. It used to be the Austrian Empire. It was only later on that they decided to become more decentralized and let the Hungarians have more power, then becoming Austria-Hungary.
 
StoneByStone said:
Austria actually conquered the Hungarians and other peoples in that territory. It used to be the Austrian Empire. It was only later on that they decided to become more decentralized and let the Hungarians have more power, then becoming Austria-Hungary.
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The Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 formed Austria-Hungary.

Hungary had Habsburg leaders long before that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Compromise_of_1867

Austria in the 1848 Hungarian Revolution had help from Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848

Hardly an Austrian "ONLY" conquest.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
The Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 formed Austria-Hungary.

Hungary had Habsburg leaders long before that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Compromise_of_1867

Austria in the 1848 Hungarian Revolution had help from Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848

Hardly an Austrian "ONLY" conquest.
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Yeah, the Austrian Empire made a compromise with the Hungarians. But nearly all of the land was already controlled by Austrians, which they conquered.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yeah, the Austrian Empire made a compromise with the Hungarians. But nearly all of the land was already controlled by Austrians, which they conquered.
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Austrians are punks, 1 vs 1 they lose to Hungarians, or Poles.

They need help from Russia, or other Germans.

Hungarians against the Holy Roman Empire won & captured Vienna back in 1477 - 1488.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian–Hungarian_War_(1477–1488)

Poles in 1809 beat Austrians who outnumbered them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Polish_War
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Austrians are punks, 1 vs 1 they lose to Hungarians, or Poles.

They need help from Russia, or other Germans.

Hungarians against the Holy Roman Empire won & captured Vienna back in 1477 - 1488.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian–Hungarian_War_(1477–1488)

Poles in 1809 beat Austrians who outnumbered them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Polish_War
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I'm not saying any group wins every time, just that Austrians were able to conquer Hungary and the surrounding nations.

The Austrian-Polish War wasn't one vs one, since the Polish had help from the French and the Saxons.

"The Austrians managed to defeat Zajączek at the Battle of Jedlińsk on 11 June and took back Sandomierz (on 18 June) and Lwów, but were unable to engage Poniatowski, who in the meantime had taken Kielce and Kraków (15 July).[1][2] Zajączek's corps would join up with Poniatowski's on 19 June, and with Dąbrowski's and Sokolnicki's on 3 and 4 July.[2] The Austrians were finally intercepted and defeated by the French at the Battle of Wagram (5 July – 6 July).[1]"
 
StoneByStone said:
I'm not saying any group wins every time, just that Austrians were able to conquer Hungary and the surrounding nations.

The Austrian-Polish War wasn't one vs one, since the Polish had help from the French and the Saxons.

"The Austrians managed to defeat Zajączek at the Battle of Jedlińsk on 11 June and took back Sandomierz (on 18 June) and Lwów, but were unable to engage Poniatowski, who in the meantime had taken Kielce and Kraków (15 July).[1][2] Zajączek's corps would join up with Poniatowski's on 19 June, and with Dąbrowski's and Sokolnicki's on 3 and 4 July.[2] The Austrians were finally intercepted and defeated by the French at the Battle of Wagram (5 July – 6 July).[1]"
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Poles were still outnumbered against Austrians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raszyn_(1809)

Please, Austria conquered regions never by themselves, but always with help from Ottomans, Russians, or other Germans.
 
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WitoldPilecki said:
Poles were still outnumbered against Austrians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raszyn_(1809)

Please, Austria conquered regions never by themselves, but always with help from Ottomans, Russians, or other Germans.
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This is why war isn't always a good representation of how strong a people is. We can say the Polish were stronger because they held off the Austrians with less people, or we can say the Austrians were stronger because they were able to train more soldiers and build more weapons.

And wars are rarely fought completely between only two countries. Even in the Battle of Raszyn, Poland had help from Saxony.
 
StoneByStone said:
This is why war isn't always a good representation of how strong a people is. We can say the Polish were stronger because they held off the Austrians with less people, or we can say the Austrians were stronger because they were able to train more soldiers and build more weapons.

And wars are rarely fought completely between only two countries. Even in the Battle of Raszyn, Poland had help from Saxony.
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Victories when outnumbered show great strength.
 
StoneByStone said:
Absolutely, but the Polish lost that war. Though I give them credit for being able to hold off the Austrians for a while.
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No, not really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Polish_War

In the aftermath of the Treaty of Schönbrunn, most of the territory liberated by Polish forces (territory which had been annexed by the Austrian Empire during the partitions of Poland several decades beforehand) was incorporated into the Duchy of Warsaw.[1]
 
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