Crowds flock to reopened Jacksonville beaches as Florida hits record coronavirus case

Micawber said:
I will venture that someone posting here will die of covid19 before election day. This is a new path for the grim reaper
to heap on the rest. If I'm the one, I want my remains skywritten over your house
"Micawber told you so"
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Dude, you ain’t going anywhere lol.
 
Micawber said:
You have a compelling governmental interest
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Yeah doctoratorship.
and a limited intrusion here (not permanent) as well as a practical options to virtually congregate going against your categorical pronouncement of a rights violation.
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it is totalitarian for a government to enact an interest via force. There is absolutely no situation where it is justified.
Let's assume arguendo that we know that walking into the church sets off a trip wire that explodes a hydrogen bomb. Same result?
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So being in close proximity to an incendiary device creates the same result as being around people in public? I went to the grocery store the other day and I wasn't blown up.
On the other hand, lets assume we know that the governor is an atheist and just hates religious people, same result? Devil is in the details. No, I'm sorry there is no unlimited 1st amendment right, even to free exercise or association. Read the law, you'll find I am correct.
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The limit is when you violate other people's rights. You don't have the right not to be infected by a virus. If you did there world be millions of lawsuits every year over people being infected by colds and the flu.
 
Arks&sparka said:
I'm sorry there simply can be no common ground here. it is absolutely unconstitutional to forbid by law a religious organization from congregation. There is no danger that would be enough to suspend that right. Certainly not an illness. Viruses have been around throughout all of time.

So when you say that there is no constitutional violation here you might as well be saying that the Earth is flat. There absolutely is. And I don't doubt there will be Supreme Court hearings on it.
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Wow, who knew Americans were such big babies. Your first amendment rights are not unlimited, and when they are exercised in a manner that is harmful to the general welfare, they WILL be limited. This whining and fussing and losing your mind because you can't go to a bar is just laughable. What happened to all that self reliance? Sure up and disappeared like a fart in the wind.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Beto and his fans were coming after our Second Amendment rights. Did you support his ideas or just banning like most Democratic candidates?
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I support the Heller decision. That decision is completely supportive of common sense gun legislation.
 
Concart said:
Wow, who knew Americans were such big babies.
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about violating the Constitution anybody with ears.
Your first amendment rights are not unlimited, and when they are exercised in a manner that is harmful to the general welfare, they WILL be limited.
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In that case rights don't exist. because being in public around that people can always be harmful there's always a potential of you having a virus and spreading it.



This whining and fussing and losing your mind because you can't go to a bar is just laughable.
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government arresting people for exercising their rights is totalitarianism there's no two ways about that. you can walk me all you want you're not going to shame me into changing my mind because you don't understand.
Wha happened to all that self reliance? Sure up and disappeared like a fart in the wind.
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you can't really be self-reliant if the government criminalizes your ability to be self reliant.

That didn't disappear it was crushed.
 
Arks&sparka said:
about violating the Constitution anybody with ears.
In that case rights don't exist. because being in public around that people can always be harmful there's always a potential of you having a virus and spreading it.



government arresting people for exercising their rights is totalitarianism there's no two ways about that. you can walk me all you want you're not going to shame me into changing my mind because you don't understand.
you can't really be self-reliant if the government criminalizes your ability to be self reliant.

That didn't disappear it was crushed.
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Once again, file your lawsuit. That's how it works. I can tell you now you have no shot at winning that one. Your self reliance was crushed? How. The very term implies you have no need for anyone else. Did someone confiscate your seeds, your ammo and your gold bars?
 
Concart said:
Oh, are we supposed to be making friends? I need to recalibrate.
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No. Are you supposed to deliberately shit on anyone what doesn't think exactly like you at the get go? Is the new Democrat motto "Go Fuck Yourself if you don't vote Democrat"?
 
Concart said:
Once again, file your lawsuit. That's how it works.
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Once again if the Constitution is suspended I don't have the right to a redress of grievance. That isn't how it works.
I can tell you now you have no shot at winning that one.
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Exactly what I said. When the Constitution is suspended you don't have the right to a redress of grievance. Just another liberty lost.
Your self reliance was crushed? How.
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Government Fiat.

The very term implies you have no need for anyone else.
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the only need is for the absence of government intrusion.
Did someone confiscate your seeds, your ammo and your gold bars?
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Can't pay rent with seeds or ammo. And if I have no ability to aquire money I have no ability to aquire more gold bars.

Do you think people are just born with a certain amount of gold that replenishes every month?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I know it's easier to blame one person than 100 Senators and 435 House Reps but the fact remains Trump didn't give that tax cut; Congress authorized it and Trump signed it.
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Trump pushed for it and the GOP did what he told them to do.

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Dutch Uncle said:
No. Are you supposed to deliberately shit on anyone what doesn't think exactly like you at the get go? Is the new Democrat motto "Go Fuck Yourself if you don't vote Democrat"?
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That's one of the reasons I think the Democrat party has become a circular firing squad.

If you don't agree in lock step with everything I say you are a far right racist Nazi and you are literally Hitler.

It's almost like people think they are Superior to everybody else.
 
Concart said:
I don't think I said that. I'm not in favor of it. I'm not a Beto guy at all.
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Thanks. I was just trying to clarify where the line between Beto's "take your ARs" philosophy and
the claim that "no one is coming for your guns <rights>"
Concart said:
File your lawsuit and see how it goes. Nothing is stopping you. I haven't given up a single right that I had before. I have never had the right to assemble if that assembly was dangerous to the public.
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Micawber said:
The main things to know about Havana Poon is that he always supports heterodoxy, his sources are therefore always extremely suspect, his agenda is pro dirty fuel and climate denial, he is a born troll, and he is obsessed with a left wing spiritual hippie guitarist trapped in a Dorian box for the last 50 years because it pays. With Santana, it is almost like a genius was promised at age 25 that if he never did anything creative again, a bag of gold would be dropped on his door in perpetuity. He has been slurping it up ever since, as reliably as the Beach Boys singing "help me Rhonda"

I could set my watch by Carlos' repeated riffage.

On the bright side, Grajonca puts in some effort and that makes it more entertaining to humiliate him.
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You're such a pompous prick.
 
Arks&sparka said:
That's one of the reasons I think the Democrat party has become a circular firing squad.

If you don't agree in lock step with everything I say you are a far right racist Nazi and you are literally Hitler.

It's almost like people think they are Superior to everybody else.
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The Democrats have always been a diversified hot mess. The first political conventions I witnessed on TV were the 1968 Republican and Democrat conventions. My dad was Republican and mom Democrat. The difference between the two political parties became clear even to my 12-year-old eyes. The Democrats haven't changed much, just more authoritarian but the Republicans today bear no resemblance to the Republicans of that era.
 
Grajonca said:
You're such a pompous prick.
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rjhenn said:
Trump pushed for it and the GOP did what he told them to do.

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Agreed but that doesn't absolve Congress of their responsibility. They can't realistically expect intelligent Americans to accept the "Bu..bu...but Trump made us do it!" excuse.

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