Biden calls for more 'economic intercourse' around the world

[Dutch Uncle]

dumbest thing you've posted yet....

Disagreed but since you're a Trump supporter I can see why your sense of "dumb" is highly skewed.

 

[dukkha]

Not if we can wake up enough Bernie Bro’s lol.

We’d be F’d were it not for the handful of good journalists and alternative news. Given their abysmal poll numbers the establishment media may be on the road to becoming irrelevant.

Look at the Flynn coverage.
I was as shallow as possible "Flynn lied"and the MS press had 0 interest in ferreting out FBI abuses.

Hannity was all over it - digging out the story with Greg Garett, Dershowitz, Sarah Carter and a few more.
Now ( as we knew for a long time) the rotten egg smell is bubbling up -
and we smell just how corrupt Comey et all was. Put Brennan in there too

same with Russian collusion. the press allowed itself to be a servile stooge of Democrats and Deep State Creeps
From Day 1 I KNEW it was pure garbage -
Putin would never put himself in a position to actively work in any US election ( unlike we did to Russia).

It destroyed Flynn as well, and Flynn was hip to China and much more able to triangulate with Russia against them

So Trump was left with a few generals who really didn't support his agenda,
and we drifted further into propping up Afghan, and Cold War 2.0

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Links should be always given so that the context and content can be independently confirmed

I guess I should expand on what I wrote. .
When I wrote that Biden could speak off the cuff competently about Africa policy, I was using the word "competent" by the standards expected of a leader. They should be able to speak knowlegably about a topic with confidence, authority, and gravitas.

An 18 year old poli sci major put on national TV and asked to speak off the cuff for thirty minutes would be a deer in the headlights - sweaty palms, shaky voice, nervous stutters - and they would not inspire the slighest confidence.

Agreed in general. In this case, an actual quote, as long as it's accurate (and that is easily verified) is different from an opinion piece or article.

The PoliSci major comment was directed at Trump, but whatever you like.

I understood and agreed with your comment about Biden's experience. His current competence is another matter. Just saying "more competent than XXX" isn't a justification to elect a person to national office. Again, that's "lesser of two evils" logic.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The cultists, like trump, would claim that the moderator was 'being mean to him'.

The Independents who took a chance on trump in '16, would shake their heads and question their vote. As they have since his inauguration

Except for those Independents who refused to vote for either Deplorable and voted Third Party.

 

[dukkha]

Disagreed but since you're a Trump supporter I can see why your sense of "dumb" is highly skewed.

yet you can't refute my contents, and resort to an ad hom as a rebuttal

 

[dukkha]

Stop watching Fox.

start posting content

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Using Venezuela as an example if perfect. The reason Socialism failed there is because America did what it always does when a country tries Socialism...

Sorry but that's typical anti-American bullshit. Socialism doesn't work. If it worked anywhere on a national scale in the last 150 years, then you should be able to easily name the countries. You won't because they don't exist. Why? Because Socialism doesn't work as an economic system. What works is a regulated capitalist economy with socialist underpinnings to support the weak or help those in need.

 

[StoneByStone]

start posting content

 

[dukkha]

Using Venezuela as an example if perfect. The reason Socialism failed there is because America did what it always does when a country tries Socialism. They hit Venezuela with heavy sanctions and worked with Venezuelan Capitalists to sabotage the economy.
Now Bernie doesn't want the kind of Socialism Venezuela tried, he wants more of a mixed economy. But like with Venezuela, the American establishment is afraid this is going to work, so they sabotaged him.



Why wouldn't the media want Trump? He's done everything the establishment wants. Maybe now they're pissed at him for causing a pandemic, but this will pass, and he'll go back to making the rich richer.

Venezuela destroyed it's own oil industry by not reinvesting in capital equipment and exploration. Chavez/Maduro were only interested in pumping money out to shore up their socialist agenda,and let the oil fields fall into disrepair

 

[dukkha]

GIFs arent content

 

[Dutch Uncle]

yet you can't refute my contents, and resort to an ad hom as a rebuttal

You think being labeled a "Trump supporter" is an ad hominem but you're fine with your claim of "dumbest thing you've posted yet"? Priceless!

Obviously you couldn't support your comments or the obvious fact Biden knows more about national and international politics than Trump. Drop your umbrage for a second and note that I wouldn't vote for Biden either. He's unfit to serve due to age and mental fitness. That fact Trump is less fit is irrelevant to Biden.

Spoiler

 

[StoneByStone]

Sorry but that's typical anti-American bullshit. Socialism doesn't work. If it worked anywhere on a national scale in the last 150 years, then you should be able to easily name the countries. You won't because they don't exist. Why? Because Socialism doesn't work as an economic system. What works is a regulated capitalist economy with socialist underpinnings to support the weak or help those in need.

Personally, I don't want real Socialism. I think Social Democracy would work much better.
However, because America always intervenes when a country tries Socialism, we can't really say it doesn't work. Maybe it would work if America didn't sabotage all these countries, we don't know.

 

[Althea]

Except for those Independents who refused to vote for either Deplorable and voted Third Party.

They don't matter. They're making a statement. They aren't taking part in an election.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Untrue. I hated to see Franken go, for instance, but he had to resign.

I've noticed that more than one RWNJ on this site is sure that Ms. Reade is truthful. She's truthful because the accusations are against a (D) politician, of course. Dr. Ford accusing Beer Me Kavanaugh, otoh, was clearly "unwell" and "should seek help" because "everyone knows that kids [and left-leaning women] make up stuff for revenge."

I don't know if Biden did it or not. Let's do a one-week, very limited investigation ala Kavanaugh and find out!

Agreed on Franken but he wasn't the Democratic Presidential nominee. If Biden goes done this late in the game, who will take his place? Bernie? Warren? Despite all the RW bullshit about Cuomo, I doubt he'd run.

Also agreed on the RW hypocrisy regarding sexual assault allegations. That said, they are right to point out the hypocrisy on the Left. I've noticed their hypocrisy since the Slick Willie days and it hasn't changed. It was obvious when the Democrats attacked General Joseph W. Ralston and it was obvious over 20 years later when they attacked General John Hyten. General Ralston had an affair while separated from his wife; a long way from the adulterous affairs of Bill Clinton, but Ralston's career was tarnished by the Democrats as a smokescreen to defend the lying, draft-dodging coward and serial adulterer William Jefferson Clinton.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-06-08-9706080072-story.html
This is the drawing of a line," said the secretary of Defense, William S. Cohen, in declaring that an adulterous affair years ago should not disqualify Gen. Joseph W. Ralston from being a candidate for chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nom...n-cleared-sexual-misconduct/story?id=64253149
Gen. John Hyten, the nominee to be the next vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was cleared this week of allegations of abusive sexual contact that were made by a female service member in 2017 and 2018, according to a senior military official.

However, it remains unclear if the U.S. Air Force general will be confirmed by the Senate as the nation's number two military officer in time to succeed Gen. Paul Selva, who will retire from the position at the end of July.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They don't matter. They're making a statement. They aren't taking part in an election.

Them "making a statement" is, indeed, "taking part in an election".

Example; despite all the bullshit thrown out by the Hillary fans about "3 million votes" the fact remains Hillary only received 48.2% of the popular vote, not a mandate of the People. Why? Because of the people you are claiming "aren't taking part in an election".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Personally, I don't want real Socialism. I think Social Democracy would work much better.
However, because America always intervenes when a country tries Socialism, we can't really say it doesn't work. Maybe it would work if America didn't sabotage all these countries, we don't know.

"Social Democracy" only works with a regulated capitalist economy.

Your "America is evil" routine is tiresome.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And yet here they are condemning Biden.

Just not condemning him enough to make him resign or withdraw his nomination. That's the key difference.

 

[dukkha]

You think being labeled a "Trump supporter" is an ad hominem but you're fine with your claim of "dumbest thing you've posted yet"? Priceless!

Obviously you couldn't support your comments or the obvious fact Biden knows more about national and international politics than Trump. Drop your umbrage for a second and note that I wouldn't vote for Biden either. He's unfit to serve due to age and mental fitness. That fact Trump is less fit is irrelevant to Biden.

Spoiler

I just supported those claims. you rant about Trump being "less fit" but Trump gave us the world's best economy, energy independence, and decoupling from Afghanistan, and incremental Trade agreements with China.

I don't care who you vote for or not - you made it clear you are living in the past of some type of Republican utopia
pre-Gingritch - while I hopped aboard the populism that swept Trump into office.

I agree with some of your stuff, but your politics are ossified

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I just supported those claims. you rant about Trump being "less fit" but Trump gave us the world's best economy, energy independence, and decoupling from Afghanistan, and incremental Trade agreements with China....

No, you didn't. You replied with an insult. Then you feigned righteous indignation about being a labeled a "Trump supporter" despite the fact most of your posts are twisted like the one quoted above.

 

[Nomad]

ROFL..show me some foreign policy successes from the Obama adm! There are none. Libya, arming Syrian rebels, rolling over for China and Russian sanctions were all disasters. .Biden isn't a player -he has no clue of economic nationalism as well

Partisan hack bullshit.

Every President has a mixed record on everything, both foreign and domestic policy-wise.

Obama inherited a world and an economy that was left in a messy disarray by Bush. Just by virtue of that alone, the improvements he made to both should be seen as a noteworthy success.

Anyone who tries to convince others that any President they don't happen to like never accomplished anything, is usually full of shit to anyone with an ounce of common sense.

The article below concerns a weekend conference of The Pacific Council on International Policy held in 2017. After two days of debate by experts on the subject, the success or failure of Obama's foreign policy was voted on by council members.

The result was that 61% voted "successful" to 39% voted "failure".

That's nearly a 2/3 majority.

Was Obama’s Foreign Policy a Success? Most Members Say Yes

By: Justin Chapman

https://www.pacificcouncil.org/newsroom/was-obama’s-foreign-policy-success-most-members-say-yes

At Members Weekend 2017, panelists debated the question, "Was Barack Obama’s foreign policy a success?" The debate was moderated by Mr. Dan Schnur, director of the American Jewish Committee’s Los Angeles Region.

Mr. Robert C. O’Brien, managing partner at Larson O’Brien LLP, and Dr. Kori Schake, research fellow at the Hoover Institution, argued that Obama’s foreign policy was not a success.

Dr. Matthew Spence, the William J. Perry Fellow at Stanford’s Center for International Security and Cooperation, and Ambassador John Emerson, former U.S. Ambassador to Germany, argued that Obama’s foreign policy was a success.

Members Weekend attendees voted on the debate question in both a pre- and post-debate poll on the Pacific Council mobile app. Before the debate, 56 percent voted "yes" and 44 percent voted "no."

Spence laid out the differences in terms of America’s standing in the world between when Obama took office and when he left:

• On the major issues affecting that matter most, President Obama left our nation much stronger and safer.

• In 2008, Osama bin Laden was at large and was plotting every day to launch attacks against the United States, and we had no plan to get him. By the time Obama left office, Osama bin Laden was no longer around and al Qaeda had been decimated.

• When Obama took office, Iran was about to get a nuclear weapon and the only serious plan to stop them was to start a war. America was in the middle of two major wars in the Middle East without end in sight. By withdrawing troops and negotiating the Iran nuclear deal, Obama turned these situations around as well.

O’Brien argued that the world Obama left behind was more dangerous, not safer:

• Obama weakened our military and his ‘strategic patience’ and ‘leading from behind’ approach didn’t work.

• Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea in response to the drawdown of U.S. troops in Europe.

• China annexed the South China Sea because the Obama administration did not engage in freedom of navigation patrols.

• Iran learned there was no behavior they could exhibit that could stop America from appeasement with the JCPOA and they cemented their hegemony over the Middle East.

• Assad crossed the chemical weapons red line without penalty.

• The United States withdrew from Iraq against the best advice of our generals and ISIL created a caliphate the size of Great Britain.

• Kim Jong-un has busied himself building at least 60 nuclear weapons and the ICBMs to threaten the region.

Emerson argued that Obama restored America’s voice as a moral authority in the world:

• Obama was able to rebuild our alliances and reengage in multilateral relationships that had in many instances gone fallow.

• Instead of a Coalition of the Willing going into Iraq, we have a real coalition of 73 nations to defeat and degrade ISIL.

• Obama was able to work with Russia, China, and our European allies to not only impose back-breaking sanctions on Iran but to develop an agreement to curb their nuclear weapons program that is looking better and better every day.

• Obama worked to strengthen NATO.

• At COP21, Obama worked with Xi to get the Chinese for the first time to agree to a ceiling on carbon emissions.

Schake laid out what the world would have looked like if the United States had eight years of a different foreign policy than Obama’s:

• If Obama had not drawn a red line in Syria and then failed to enforce that red line, we might not have had 11 million Syrian refugees.

• The hard work of winning the war in Iraq was done before 2008.

• If it weren’t for Obama, ISIL would not have gained such a ferocious foothold in Iraq and Syria.

• We would not have North Korea on the brink of having nuclear weapons and long-range missiles that could attack thisbeautiful city [Los Angeles] if Obama had not averted his eyes from that problem for eight years.

Answering the same question after the debate, "Was Barack Obama’s foreign policy a success?", 61 percent of members voted "yes," and 39 percent voted "no."

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Justin Chapman is the Communications Associate at the Pacific Council on International Policy.

actually I don't defend Trump's gaffes/ But I don't obsess over them either. they are just off the cuff words.
I do defend his POLICIES -which have been outstanding for the most part

Your failure to speak critically of Trump's unprecedented in all of history undignified, unprofessional, disrespectful level of verbal vomit, mental instability and incompetence all of which together, have reduced the once revered status of The Office of the American Presidency to that of an obscene, tawdry, cheesy game show host, is tantamount to defending it.

As for his policies... it's still too early to even tell what the long term effects will be.

Everyone knows you're totally in the tank for Trump no matter what he does or how bad it is, you'll excuse or ignore it.


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