75 yr old man shoved to ground by NY cops, bleeding from head & ear

T. A. Gardner said:
That is because the supervisor that did that was putting him back on the line. The supervisor was correct in this. It is the following EMT medical team with the police that would handle the man. They are the ones that have the skills and equipment to treat him. The front line police are there to control the crowd and maintain a solid front line.

Like it or not, the police in this case did as they were trained and responded correctly to the situation. It doesn't matter how it looks to the layman, they were doing what they were supposed to do. The EMT's were helping the guy almost within seconds of him falling.

There's a second video out now from across the street. You can see the police advancing in a line. When the guy falls, the line stops and you see the supervisors going from officer to officer to stop their advance and ensure they are properly spaced like they should. The police acted appropriately for the situation. The old man simply should never have walked up to them like he did.
If this guy hadn't briskly walked up to the police, repeatedly ignored their shouts to move back and away from them, and then apparently tried to physically contact the one officer, he wouldn't have been shoved back and wouldn't have fallen.
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He was fucking wrong. The guy had blood pouring out of his ear. The police at no point were appropriate. The old man walked up to them. The cop should have walked by. He pushed an old man. Do you think the cop was afraid? Was he threatened? No he was being a prick. He was there to strike out at the protesters. he got his chance and did not pass it up. It was a shameful power play against an old man. If he did not strike out, what dangerous act would the old man have done?
 
Nordberg said:
He was fucking wrong. The guy had blood pouring out of his ear. The police at no point were appropriate. The old man walked up to them. The cop should have walked by. He pushed an old man. Do you think the cop was afraid? Was he threatened? No he was being a prick. He was there to strike out at the protesters. he got his chance and did not pass it up. It was a shameful power play against an old man. If he did not strike out, what dangerous act would the old man have done?
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Once again, what was the man reaching for on the LEO's belt 3 seconds into the video? How about you answer that first. You fucking idiot.
 
Sailor said:
As it should. Until then, like everything that has been happening of late, it is all conjecture.
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Agreed. I think you will agree the video is damning and, if the officers are innocent, will have to be explained.

Example, my wife pointed out how they just kept walking, but I explained that's SOP. It was reported immediately, one police officer was calling it in and the medical team was immediately behind the formation. While it's debatable whether the police actions were justified in putting the man down, their actions afterward are acceptable IMO.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. I think you will agree the video is damning and, if the officers are innocent, will have to be explained.

Example, my wife pointed out how they just kept walking, but I explained that's SOP. It was reported immediately, one police officer was calling it in and the medical team was immediately behind the formation. While it's debatable whether the police actions were justified in putting the man down, their actions afterward are acceptable IMO.
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Good points.
 
Nordberg said:
He was fucking wrong. The guy had blood pouring out of his ear. The police at no point were appropriate. The old man walked up to them. The cop should have walked by. He pushed an old man. Do you think the cop was afraid? Was he threatened? No he was being a prick. He was there to strike out at the protesters. he got his chance and did not pass it up. It was a shameful power play against an old man. If he did not strike out, what dangerous act would the old man have done?
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You just don't get it. The police were operating as a formation and single unit. The frontline of that formation is not to be broken. The old man shouldn't have walked up to them. The police, by training and policy, are not going to just walk past him and let their formation be broken up. They have no idea what that guy is up to or possibly going to do.
I know the cops told him to back away repeatedly. You can hear them do that. Yet, he ignores them and continues to move forward and engage them in who-knows-what.
The cops right next to the man clearly are verbally telling him to back away. He doesn't and instead reaches for the one officer who then pushes him. That is appropriate use of force to maintain a safe space and distance. Inappropriate would be they hit the guy with their batons. They didn't do that.
That the push back caused the guy to fall is not intentional by the officer, and I doubt the guy meant to fall. But, he did.

The whole incident happened because the guy:

1. Failed to listen to police instructions and repeated verbal commands.
2. Moved towards the officers and reached out to physically touch or otherwise physically contact them.

Had he listened to their instructions, had he backed away, it wouldn't have happened.
 
Stretch said:
Graphic Video Shows Buffalo Police Officers Shoving 75-Year-Old Man
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Looks accidental to me. I think it is clear the cop never intended to injure the man.

The old guy is totally at fault here. He walked right into him.
 
Bigdog said:
Looks accidental to me. I think it is clear the cop never intended to injure the man.

The old guy is totally at fault here. He walked right into him.
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Agreed the officer didn't intend harm, but harm was done. Hence the reason for an assualt charge.

Disagreed that the "old guy is totally at fault here."
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed the officer didn't intend harm, but harm was done. Hence the reason for an assualt charge.

Disagreed that the "old guy is totally at fault here."
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The old man didn't even stop. What was the cop supposed to do, butt him the chest with his head? ... or be intimidated and get out of the old man's way?
 
Bigdog said:
The old man didn't even stop. What was the cop supposed to do, butt him the chest with his head? ... or be intimidated and get out of the old man's way?
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I'm sure the officer will get his day in court.
 
volsrock said:
Nancy Pelosi is a elderly white woman and I despise her


age does not give him a pass to block police from moving forward and reach for their belt!

Grandpa went looking for trouble. He found it.
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So do I despise her. I don't despise the old man. Again, why do you?

No, it doesn't. But common sense tells you it wouldn't be too hard to knock an elderly man off his feet. Reaching for their belt?

I think protests are silly, I've said that many times, including the ones at state capitol buildings wanting the states to open back up.
On the same token, I sure as hell don't expect to be forced into a police state either. If they were breaking the law, arrest them.
 
Nordberg said:
Why do you say things you have no knowledge at all of. The old man was pushed straight backward landing on his head. That , and only that is what caused the injury. It was not his lack of acrobatic skills. Nobody is saying the cops were trying to bust his skull open. But they did. The cops should have immediately helped him.It was all because of police brutality.
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There were medics on hand who treated him almost immediately, but that's conveniently left out.
 
Bigdog said:
The old man didn't even stop. What was the cop supposed to do, butt him the chest with his head? ... or be intimidated and get out of the old man's way?
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Well, they got out of his way while he was lying on the pavement. Hell, one even said let him lie as they walked right past him.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
So it's okay to knock an old man (or woman) to the ground so hard you crack their head open if you label them "antifa"?

If a citizen does this, it's assault. If the man dies, it's manslaughter. Why should police or anyone else be above the law?
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you idiot. it wasn't a 1 on 1 against the old man by the cop. the cops were in formation -their job like that is to clear and push back. he stepped into their path and reached out and was pushed away.
An assault charge is bogus. The old man should not have interfered..I feel compassion, but my feelings dont enter into it
 
Stretch said:
One skinny old man could have easily been walked to the side by a cop.....just tell Pops to have good day and to stay out of their way.
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So, it’s an old leftist codger with a history, huh lol?

There’s practically always ‘more to the story’ in these things. That said, the cop should have said ‘move to the side, you old fart’ and not shoved him. It shows a lack of situational awareness on the cops part. He should have known the old codger was looking to make a ‘viral scene’.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
to me it looked like a classic attempt to draw an offensive foul in the paint........
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Are you really trying to paint this is intentional? That the 75 year old wanted a cop to kill him or put him in the hospital?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...buffalo-police-known-peaceful-man/3160820001/
Videos from the incident showed Gugino approaching a line of police, and then an officer pushing him backward.

Gugino stumbled back and then fell to the ground, his head hitting the sidewalk. Blood pooled around the back of his head almost immediately.

Bystanders who were at the scene said police called medical personnel, who showed up within minutes.

“There was blood dripping out of (Gugino’s) ear,” said Jamie Quinn, 17, of Buffalo, who was there taking photos just after 8 p.m. Thursday, which is when the city’s curfew started.


It appears Gugino is still in the hospital for his head injury. Bleeding from the ear is a serious head injury.
 
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