And like that, America's history is scrubbed

[LV426]

if you understood history, there is no 1 interpretation for ANY of it. Even the American revolution is controversial for some.
What historians do is compare various perspectives and then come to 1 or more agreements on such
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Now you reply with some woke BS, and completely miss the points

So then these statues don't teach any history.

 

[anatta]

I apologize I read it wrong. It does glorify the person, but it also teaches us history. Even if its bad history.

We have a Law Enforcement memorial statue in my home town. BLM will say that this is offensive and needs to be taken down. I would disagree.

"I" (the mob) find that offensive, tear it down in the middle of the night

 

[LV426]

I apologize I read it wrong. It does glorify the person, but it also teaches us history. Even if its bad history. .

So then how do those statues literally teach history?

 

[Irish]

A statue in a public park is not a history lesson.

A statue in a public park is almost always a statement about a person or idea the community at large admires, honors, or seeks to emulate.

Russians and Ukrainians took down most statues of Lenin because he no longer represented a model for the community.

That does not mean people are prevented from learning about Lenin and communism is books, schools, seminars, libraries, classes.

Well we no longer teach History or Civics in most schools. Leftists edit Wikipedia to their liking and alter digital history. Big tech companies are starting to invent ways to silence any decent. Book burning will be next.

This is just a start.

 

[LV426]

We have a Law Enforcement memorial statue in my home town. BLM will say that this is offensive and needs to be taken down. I would disagree.

So the statue glorifies law enforcement. So what history does that statue teach, and how does it teach it?

 

[anatta]

So then these statues don't teach any history.

right on cue.
Historical figures are key to understanding history

 

[anatta]

Well we no longer teach History or Civics in most schools. Leftists edit Wikipedia to their liking and alter digital history. Book burning will be next.

This is just a start.

good point. we just teach being upset.

 

[LV426]

Well we no longer teach History or Civics in most schools.

What history isn't being taught?

Leftists edit Wikipedia to their liking and alter digital history. Book burning will be next.

Wikipedia actually has higher standards for their fact-checking and edits than any other platform of its type. Most major university advanced degree programs are fine with using Wikipedia as a source because it contains links to other sources. That's its entire purpose.

 

[LV426]

right on cue.
Historical figures are key to understanding history

OK, but how do statues help people understand history, when the purpose of a status is to glorify or memorialize someone or something?

 

[Irish]

So the statue glorifies law enforcement. So what history does that statue teach, and how does it teach it?

It was to honor lives lost, not glorify LE. You are being obtuse on purpose.

 

[LV426]

It was to honor lives lost, not glorify LE. You are being obtuse on purpose.

But you said these statues "teach history"...but you're saying this statue doesn't? All I want to know is how does a statue "teach history"? You are saying statues teach history, but then saying, oh no, they glorify or honor or memorialize things. So how is that "teaching history"?

I don't care about the WHY, I care about the HOW.

 

[Earl]

It was to honor lives lost, not glorify LE. You are being obtuse on purpose.

Intentional obtuseness or just plain obtuseness.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

In a sentence:

The Left tears down everything while building nothing.

 

[anatta]

OK, but how do statues help people understand history, when the purpose of a status is to glorify or memorialize someone or something?

legit question.
it exposes the person ( usuallyin their glory) to the masses, or in some cases memorializes a particular event.

I dont know about you, but I lived in Maryland as a kid, ( a civil war buffer state)
and there were battlefields all around.

I got interested in the battles, and then wanted to know about the men as a measure to understand that chaotic time
the men ( and few women) drove the events with even their personalities at time..it like a public biography for those interested

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

For years, Democrats and those on the left have been trying to suppress America’s true history — the one that tells of American Exceptionalism, the one that speaks of the genius of the Founding Fathers, the one that speaks of freedoms for the individual as coming from God, not government.

And now, with George Floyd, they’re having their moment in the sun.

The left is on a rampage right now, busily tearing down any semblance of American history from America’s public eye.

The destroyers are everywhere.

In Washington, D.C., it was the World War II Memorial and fountain that were targeted by vandals who spray-painted, “Do black vets count?” And the Paralyzed Veterans of America’s headquarters. And the Department of Veterans Affairs headquarters. And several spots in the vicinity of the White House.

There are more, there are many more.

The protesters are supposedly angry at police brutality and systemic police racism.

But tearing down national monuments and defacing expressions of American history are acts of ISIS terrorists.

That such defacement is occurring on a widespread scale right now is not only a sad commentary on the tensions currently tearing at America’s fabric. But it’s also a sad, even sadder face-slapping reality show of how our schools are failing our emerging generations.

If true history were still taught in the public schools, angry youth wouldn’t be roaming the streets looking to lash out at some of the very foundations that helped make America so great and free in the first place. If places of higher learning in America hadn’t become breeding grounds for far-leftist professors to implant their propaganda, educated idiots wouldn’t be trampling over the symbols of America Past, trying to blot out the offensive and with it, the truths.

Simply put, a statue of Robert E. Lee doesn’t represent a national worship of Robert E. Lee. It only represents the historical contributions Robert E. Lee made in America — historical contributions that are irrefutably substantial.

Who would Black Lives Matter rather have as the faces of America’s monuments and memorials and statues? Or, to use the statue-destroyers’ standard: Who is perfect enough to be a face of America’s monuments and memorials and statues? Unless the answer is Jesus, it’s a lie.

America is not without sin. America doesn’t have a sinless past.

But what America does have is a Constitution and a set of founding documents and principles that lay the groundwork for all citizens, no matter ethnicity, no matter sex, no matter religion, no matter political leanings — but for all citizens to seek, to pursue, to achieve their hopes, goals and dreams in freedom, absent overburdensome government interference.

What America does offer is a set of governing ideals that guarantee a black man the same rights as a white man; that hold a president of the United States to the same judicial standards as a garbage collector; that secure the freedoms of a woman the same as a man — as coming from God, not government.

After all these years of warring and bloodshed, of bickering and disputing, of dying through trying: They’re still there. The dream of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is still alive and well in America, for all to grab at, for all to embrace, no matter race, creed, color, sex, etc.

It’s just that it’s much easier to throw paint on a memorial than it is it to study hard, work hard and stay the course to achieve the dream.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/11/and-like-that-americas-history-is-scrubbed/

Fantastic post, thank you.

 

[Earl]

A statue of a historical figure might inspire some far left loon to research the history behind the statue.

Since George Washington is no longer mentioned in schools, some of these far left loons might learn a bit of history.

Of course, the Democrat/Taliban/Antifa Party wants to erase history...like the Taliban and ISIS.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

So the statue glorifies law enforcement. So what history does that statue teach, and how does it teach it?

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

99 percent of right wing deplorables who claim they are only acting in defense of protecting historical knowledge, have never actually even read a book about Robert E Lee, have never taken a college level course on the Confereracy, and have thus shown through their actions this is not really about honoring historical education and knowledge.

As for me, I have video classes about Robert E Lee, the history of the American South, the history of the Civil War on my streaming video watch list -- because I actually believe studying the Confereracy and the Confederate leadership is important to reflect on, and holds lessons for the erudite person.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

 

[anatta]

again we are in our Cultural Revolution, just like Mao inflicted on China. tear down the old even

The Four Olds were: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas. The campaign to destroy the Four Olds began in Beijing on August 19, 1966, shortly after the launch of the Cultural Revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Olds