Obama escalates war in Afghanistan

Jarod said:
I just dont see how doing what you said you would do is being a fraud.
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i didn't mean he is a fraud for pakistan, afghan...he is a fraud for numerous other things....you know, like promising to not for the wiretap bill and then he votes for it, he said one thing and did another
 
Darla said:
Most Americans aren't against the war in Afghanistan. That is the problem. You don't change policy until you change public opinion. americans will never be anti-war, in my opinion. They will only be anti-costly wars. If it costs us in blood, then it's no good. In American blood, of course.

I have been hopeful that Obama knows this, as I know this, and was going to pull down troops from Iraq, put some in Afghanistan, wait a while, declare "victory" and then pull them out of there too. I don't know that he's going to do that. I know that no one else running was going to do it.

It's un-American. You know this.
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There's only one problem with your kooky wishful logic - he isn't pulling any troops from Iraq, ON HIS OWN SITE he said he is hiring 92000 more troops. That's where SOME of them come from.
 
KingCondanomation said:
There's only one problem with your kooky wishful logic - he isn't pulling any troops from Iraq, ON HIS OWN SITE he said he is hiring 92000 more troops. That's where SOME of them come from.
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By next January we will have less troops in Iraq than we have today. Mark this page and we can bring it up next January.
 
Obama, throughout the campaign, was clear about a couple of things:

- he was always clear that he would send more troops to Afghanistan
- he was equally clear that he would begin withdrawal of troops from Iraq, but in a responsible manner. He usually said something like "we didn't get in there overnight, and we're not going to get out of there overnight."

Again, for those who paid attention, he has not reneged on any promises yet.
 
Darla said:
Most Americans aren't against the war in Afghanistan. That is the problem. You don't change policy until you change public opinion. americans will never be anti-war, in my opinion. They will only be anti-costly wars. If it costs us in blood, then it's no good. In American blood, of course.

I have been hopeful that Obama knows this, as I know this, and was going to pull down troops from Iraq, put some in Afghanistan, wait a while, declare "victory" and then pull them out of there too. I don't know that he's going to do that. I know that no one else running was going to do it.

It's un-American. You know this.
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Intelligence is indeed "unamerican" .. however, we can no longer afford our ignorance.

I'm not with the "lets do it because we can" crowd.

The Rand Corporation gave Obama his way out .. and if he was TRULY a leader, he could craft one of his vaunted speeches and LEAD Americans to a more sane course of actions. That's what leaders do.

Here's what he's not telling you .. PIPELINE.

Afghanistan doesn't have shit to do with "terrorists" or Bin Laden and everything to do with PIPELINE.
 
Jarod said:
By next January we will have less troops in Iraq than we have today. Mark this page and we can bring it up next January.
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If that happens it will not be because Obama deemed it so .. it will be because the Iraqis deemed it so.

How many troops will we have in Afghanistan?

How many will be in Pakistan?

How many bombing raids will we have made on Iran?

You don't have a clue because you don't know what you've elected.

Hope .. that's what you have.
 
Yurt said:
i believe obama did mention pakistan and the rest, why people are now shocked is amusing

obama is definitely a fraud
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The bombing that we are currently doing in Pkistan is the Obama Doctrine.

Both Bush and McCain scoffed at him for suggesting it .. then Bush put his plan into action.
 
Jarod said:
He is not a fraud, he is doing what he sad he would do...
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C'mon brother .. be honest.

Tell me he didn't present himself as a "progressive" throughout his campaign during the primaries .. tell me that isn't his pattern ..

Do you believe that had he been honest about his intentions, he would now be the president?

Guess what? He doesn't believe it either .. which is why he used FRAUD to get elected.

Oh yeah, that small donor thing .. Obama got about the same percentage from small donors as Bush did in 2004
 
Yurt said:
obama does not have a doctrine and i believe mccain has also called for more troops to afghan
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You can believe he doesn't have a doctrine if you wish .. fact is, Bush followed his lead into Pakistan .. and republicans went after him when he suggested it.

Feel free to call that whatever you want
 
blackascoal said:
That ain't honest either .. I'm betting that neither you or Dungheap waited to criticize Bush.
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I at least had the sense to criticize Bush for things that Bush did, not things that the Clinton Administration did prior to Bush becoming president.

Also, while you disagree with Obama's Afghanistan policy proposals, they've remained the same for as long as I recall. This isn't a departure from what he's been talking about for a few years now.
 
Dungheap said:
I at least had the sense to criticize Bush for things that Bush did, not things that the Clinton Administration did prior to Bush becoming president.

Also, while you disagree with Obama's Afghanistan policy proposals, they've remained the same for as long as I recall. This isn't a departure from what he's been talking about for a few years now.
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Name what I criticize Obama for that Bush did .. I challenge you to do so.

I criticize Obama for Obama.

I don't do insane right-wing criticisms of ACRON, Ayers, and the rest of the bullshit .. but I do criticise his frauduilent ass for his flipflops, his beating the war drums after disgusting his ass as a progressive, and his cabinet choices .. where is Bush in that?
 
blackascoal said:
Name what I criticize Obama for that Bush did .. I challenge you to do so.

I criticize Obama for Obama.

I don't do insane right-wing criticisms of ACRON, Ayers, and the rest of the bullshit .. but I do criticise his frauduilent ass for his flipflops, his beating the war drums after disgusting his ass as a progressive, and his cabinet choices .. where is Bush in that?
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You have completely condemned the man as a fraud and "mindfuck" master and flip flopper, before he has even taken one action as President.

You're actually a little more vehement & irrational than Rush Limbaugh usually is.
 
Onceler said:
You have completely condemned the man as a fraud and "mindfuck" master and flip flopper, before he has even taken one action as President.

You're actually a little more vehement & irrational than Rush Limbaugh usually is.
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Limbaugh is a clown paid handsomely to entertain braindead people.

When you look at it, he's actually doing the country a service by entertaining the braindead.

I haven't made-up or concocted a single thing I've criticized Obama for.

I am not a democrat and most definately, not a fucking centrist .. thus, I have serious differences with who you think is so wonderful.

I have a daughter in the military and I do not choose to wait until the body bags come home with his name on them before I speak up. I am antiwar .. ALL THE TIME .. not just when republicans are waging it needlessly.

I welcome any and all challenges to what I've said about the Mindfuck Master.
 
blackascoal said:
Name what I criticize Obama for that Bush did .. I challenge you to do so.

I criticize Obama for Obama.

I don't do insane right-wing criticisms of ACRON, Ayers, and the rest of the bullshit .. but I do criticise his frauduilent ass for his flipflops, his beating the war drums after disgusting his ass as a progressive, and his cabinet choices .. where is Bush in that?
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Whatever, bac. I challenge you to show me where Obama has said anything other than the Iraq War is a distraction from the real war on terror which is taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He's been saying this shit since day one and you've been critical of him of it since day one. For him to follow through on that stuff isn't flip-floppery. He never disguised it.

What's it like to be in a state of perpetual outrage?


Edit: You really should do AM radio. You'd do well.
 
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