Whatever you may think about Rap, nobody can dispute its power.

bravo said:
What do you think they like best...

the sexual perversions described?

the fact that it constantly humiliates and demeans women ?

or maybe its preaching and teaching its listeners to kill policeman...?

how about its monotonous droning of various noises...?

It can't be described as 'music' by even the most liberal of understanding of music...
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It could be the brilliant rhymes, the rampant machismo, or the lyric portrayal of a culture shaped by being poor and powerless. Take your pick, nazi poopypants.
 
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blackascoal said:
First, I don't particularly care for rap music. In fact, I hesitate to call it music at all. The lyrics are usually dumb and it ended the great lyrics, great music era of R&B.

That being said, it's the most copied and listened to music on the planet today and there is virtually nowhere you can go where it isn't being played and copied. Ironically, the biggest buyers of rap music are white .. about 90%of sales are to white buyers.

It has made multi-millionaires of many African-Americans who created something out of nothing .. many of whom started out by selling CD's out of the trunks of their cars. They learned the lessons of the R&B period and kept their music to themselves and did not give away their rights to lawyers and distribution companies. Some now have major stakes in professional sports teams which once seemed about as distant a reality as having a black president.

Jay Z and Beyonce made more money last year than any couple in Hollywood, raking in more than 180 million. Will Smith, who also has his roots in rap, along with his wife Jada, made more than 90 million dollars which put them second on the list of Hollywood's richest couple .. far outpacing the power duo of Angela Jolie and Brad Pitt.

Just a thought on how far things have come.
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Meh, this sort of reminds me of those posts that I sometimes hear when I oppose affirmative action, where lefties bring up rich guys like Bill Gates or how many white millionaires there are.
It has no real bearing on me, just like the people you mentioned have no real bearing on the average black person. I mean I'm happy for their success, especially Will Smith, who really is possibly the poster boy for the American dream, but it's not how I'd judge how well I'm doing or how far I've come.

Also, sorry man but Beyonce IS R & B and not rap, while Will Smith made most of his bigtime dough after he (largely) got out of rap.
I'm like tinfoil on here, I still miss the 80's and early 90's rap, Young MC, MC Hammer, Salt n Pepa, even NWA.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Meh, this sort of reminds me of those posts that I sometimes hear when I oppose affirmative action, where lefties bring up rich guys like Bill Gates or how many white millionaires there are.
It has no real bearing on me, just like the people you mentioned have no real bearing on the average black person. I mean I'm happy for their success, especially Will Smith, who really is possibly the poster boy for the American dream, but it's not how I'd judge how well I'm doing or how far I've come.

Also, sorry man but Beyonce IS R & B and not rap, while Will Smith made most of his bigtime dough after he (largely) got out of rap.
I'm like tinfoil on here, I still miss the 80's and early 90's rap, Young MC, MC Hammer, Salt n Pepa, even NWA.
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I see now. Liberals are the cause of everything negative in the world. Bob Dylan was horrible in the 60's and only became a good musician once he converted to evangelical Chrstianity, for instance. And music in the 80's was so much better than that in the 70's and 60's, because Reagan was president. Conservatism saved music.
 
Watermark said:
I see now. Liberals are the cause of everything negative in the world. Bob Dylan was horrible in the 60's and only became a good musician once he converted to evangelical Chrstianity, for instance. And music in the 80's was so much better than that in the 70's and 60's, because Reagan was president. Conservatism saved music.
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LMAO!!! 1988 is often considered the best year in the history of rap. I would love to hear the argument made that the only reason for that is because Reagan was the President.

Ole Miss won today. You should be out chasing some tail.
 
Waterboardedmark said:
I see now. Liberals are the cause of everything negative in the world. Bob Dylan was horrible in the 60's and only became a good musician once he converted to evangelical Chrstianity, for instance. And music in the 80's was so much better than that in the 70's and 60's, because Reagan was president. Conservatism saved music.
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I never mentioned Liberals or Conservatives, Waterdork.
If it makes you feel any better I like Led Zep from the 70's and disco wasn't all that bad either (yes I said that).
I liked 80's music because it was upbeat and fun, but I loved early 90's grunge as well. I like a lot of dance hits today but rock and rap today sucks hard compared to what it used to be.

Also Dylan was never really a Liberal, you should read his interviews, he says they made him out to be something he wasn't. Like a LOT of musicians from the 60's, his later work sucked and never really had the hits he had earlier in his career.
 
AssHatZombie said:
It could be the brilliant rhymes, the rampant machismo, or the lyric portrayal of a culture shaped by being poor and powerless. Take your pick, nazi poopypants.
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Yeah...that could be....

like...

Stick her in the ass, fuck and slap that ho
stick it in her mouth and she axes for mo....
she just be a nigger, don't deserve no mo...
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brilliant rhymes
lyric portrayal of a culture shaped by being poor and powerless

I guess you could be right....
 
Rap in the early days was great because of the ability of DJ's to isolate particular parts of already produced music, especially bass lines and then put the spoken word to it. Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash particularly stand out in my mind as the early greats. After that Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Public Enemy and KRS-ONE were the standard bearers. For my money the group that single handedly brought Rap to the attention of white kids was Run DMC. They also resurrected the career Steven Tyler and Aerosmith.

Rap was not gangsta in any big way until NWA and Straight Outta Compton, which I STILL have my original of. Some people want to decry the violence and crime of Gansta Rap but unfortunately that was there life and the police did as much to create the animosity as the gangs. If you don't believe that read all about the Rampart District of the LAPD. NWA created two greats in Dre and Ice Cube. They along with Ice T created strong angry Rap which expressed the real anger of the black community on the west coast.

I am not as impressed with the Rap of today because as Ice Cube says "m.c's are funny
all you can rap about is pussy and money". There are still some good things going on in Rap but if sales are any indication, it's strength is not what it once was. To much "to the windooooows to the walls till the sweat, till the sweat, till the sweat drip from my" and not enough Terminator X.
 
bravo said:
Yeah...that could be....

like...

Stick her in the ass, fuck and slap that ho
stick it in her mouth and she axes for mo....
she just be a nigger, don't deserve no mo...
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brilliant rhymes
lyric portrayal of a culture shaped by being poor and powerless

I guess you could be right....
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what you know about rap could fill a matchbook. If you wrote really big.
 
Socrtease said:
Rap in the early days was great because of the ability of DJ's to isolate particular parts of already produced music, especially bass lines and then put the spoken word to it. Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash particularly stand out in my mind as the early greats. After that Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Public Enemy and KRS-ONE were the standard bearers. For my money the group that single handedly brought Rap to the attention of white kids was Run DMC. They also resurrected the career Steven Tyler and Aerosmith.

Rap was not gangsta in any big way until NWA and Straight Outta Compton, which I STILL have my original of. Some people want to decry the violence and crime of Gansta Rap but unfortunately that was there life and the police did as much to create the animosity as the gangs. If you don't believe that read all about the Rampart District of the LAPD. NWA created two greats in Dre and Ice Cube. They along with Ice T created strong angry Rap which expressed the real anger of the black community on the west coast.

I am not as impressed with the Rap of today because as Ice Cube says "m.c's are funny
all you can rap about is pussy and money". There are still some good things going on in Rap but if sales are any indication, it's strength is not what it once was. To much "to the windooooows to the walls till the sweat, till the sweat, till the sweat drip from my" and not enough Terminator X.
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Uh-oh Watermark, here's another liberal saying rap music was better in the '80's. You better set him straight. Tell Soc how Puff Daddy can out rap a Big Daddy Kane or a Rakim.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Meh, this sort of reminds me of those posts that I sometimes hear when I oppose affirmative action, where lefties bring up rich guys like Bill Gates or how many white millionaires there are.
It has no real bearing on me, just like the people you mentioned have no real bearing on the average black person. I mean I'm happy for their success, especially Will Smith, who really is possibly the poster boy for the American dream, but it's not how I'd judge how well I'm doing or how far I've come.

Also, sorry man but Beyonce IS R & B and not rap, while Will Smith made most of his bigtime dough after he (largely) got out of rap.
I'm like tinfoil on here, I still miss the 80's and early 90's rap, Young MC, MC Hammer, Salt n Pepa, even NWA.
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My point was that no matter what you think of rap you can hardly deny its power. I don't care for 80's, 90's, or much of ant rap at all, including those you mentioned.

Without rap there would be no Will Smith.

And yes, the examples of those who are being well paid does effect many "average black people" in a variety of ways .. but no one is suggesting that rap determines how all black people are doing .. but without question it is a statement on how far the influence of black people on American society has come.

AND, although Beyonce is more R&B, the influences for her music come from rap .. AND, the examples of rappers keeping their music to themselves, not lawyers and distribution companies, contributes to her wealth and power.
 
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