Madoff victim bailout?

Sammy Jankis

Was it me?
Please tell me this isn't going to happen.


Can fraudulent gains on paper really be made real via more abuse heaped on the american taxpayer?


This is insanity.
 
Please tell me this isn't going to happen.


Can fraudulent gains on paper really be made real via more abuse heaped on the american taxpayer?


This is insanity.
Okay.

If you insist. It isn't going to happen.

And now for reality....

They were insured to $500,000 each account. The ones that will piss me off are the very rich who lost a tiny portion of their huge riches being given money far exceeding what they were insured to.
 
Okay.

If you insist. It isn't going to happen.

And now for reality....

They were insured to $500,000 each account. The ones that will piss me off are the very rich who lost a tiny portion of their huge riches being given money far exceeding what they were insured to.

If our regulatory system had been doing it's job they would never have even qualified for govt insurance.
The ratings companies sold out as well.

The result of mostly letting the industry regulate itself.
 
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http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzmado195970544dec19,0,6848924.story
Securities Investor Protection Corp. officials say the books of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities Llc are in complete disarray and could take six months or more to piece together.

But that may be too late for Ronnie Ambrosino, who was a millionaire until a week ago. She is among the long list of investors whose fortunes were said to be wiped out by Bernard Madoff's alleged $50-billion Ponzi scheme.

Like them, with bills piling up and her bank account vanishing, she's left hoping for a bailout that might never come.

She plans to sue Madoff, but that could take years to work through the courts and yield little in the end. Her best hope to recoup some of her money is from the SIPC, an industry-funded organization set up by the government to protect investors from fraud.



But, here's the problem: SIPC does not have enough money to pay out all the claims that are sure to come from one of the biggest fraud cases ever to hit Wall Street. Securities attorneys say the organization has a reputation of being tough to squeeze money from, and each investor is only entitled to a maximum payout of $500,000 if a claim is approved.

"It feels like I'm drowning and someone is saying, 'We're going to save you, but we have to build the boat first,'" said Ambrosino, 55, who had $1.6-million invested with Madoff. "We can't wait for SIPC to go through all the papers."

.... more at link
 
I wouldn't mind universal insurance for fraud. But giving windfall specifically to Madoff investors would be stupid; one of the risks investors are supposed to take into account in the current environment is fraud. If Enron employees could lose their entire life savings over fraud, why not Madoff investors?
 
Having universal insurance for fraud is condoning fraud at some level.
It encourages more risky investments, etc.
 
I wouldn't mind universal insurance for fraud. But giving windfall specifically to Madoff investors would be stupid; one of the risks investors are supposed to take into account in the current environment is fraud. If Enron employees could lose their entire life savings over fraud, why not Madoff investors?
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I would think of it more as the state acknowledging how it fails to protect its citizens.

Fair nuff, your way of looking at it.
My view is pretty much is well if the govt insures it , it must be ok and I should invest in it.

And as a consequence of insuring it the govt should monitor and regulate it.
The insurance is somewhat of a subsidy.
 
Fair nuff, your way of looking at it.
My view is pretty much is well if the govt insures it , it must be ok and I should invest in it.

And as a consequence of insuring it the govt should monitor and regulate it.
The insurance is somewhat of a subsidy.

Is insurance a subsidy of fire, LOL?
 
They should not be insured! They opted to invest in a shady investment scheme because they liked the returns and half of them wanted to do it through the most tax efficient avenue possible. If you go offshore and unregulated then you deserve to lose your shirt, those are the risks people run.

This last ten years has been a total fallacy of people thinking that investing offshore/unregulated is as safe as investing onshore, it isn't and they should understand that risk.
 
I wouldn't mind universal insurance for fraud. But giving windfall specifically to Madoff investors would be stupid; one of the risks investors are supposed to take into account in the current environment is fraud. If Enron employees could lose their entire life savings over fraud, why not Madoff investors?

That is partially incorrect. That is precisely what SIPC insurance is for. Though anyone with more than the $500k should consider fraud as a possibility when investing with a firm. They should look to see what other supplemental insurance the company carries and they should be aware of realistic returns for varying market environments.
 
I always heard to invest in a hedge fund you needed 1.5mm net worth to protect little guys from the risk these asswholes take. Should rules be changed to make it insuranle after the fact? Fuck no
 
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