CDC: Only 6% of deaths were from Covid only

No, that's not what those statistics say at all. It says that only six percent occurred in people without higher risk factors. Do you lie for a living? I hope not, because your lies are totally transparent. Even you are not stupid enough to believe what you just said.
You confirm his argument and then you deny it??? WTF??????
 
You can’t even lie accurately lol.

The median age of COVID mortality is roughly equal to the average age of mortality [all causes]. Kind of an odd convergence.

At any rate, the point is COVID is a much greater threat to the 70 and above than it is to the younger population.

You have a problem with facts?

Apparently he does. He agrees with them, then denies them, all in the same post! :D
 
Wait. So you only listen to the CDC when it's convenient for you to do so? The CDC recommends social distancing and masks, btw.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.
The CDC keeps changing its mind. It is not God. Do not treat it like one.

See the N95 specifications.
 
Obviously not. 150 x .06 (9,000) < annual flu deaths (90,000) ...

That is an interesting argument. The claim was that only 9,000 deaths list Covid as the sole reason for death.
When it comes to flu deaths, only those that are children under 18 list flu as the death and most of those probably don't list flu as the sole cause so your attempt to compare apples to oranges is a major fail on your part.
In 2018-19 there were 186 deaths of children from the flu.

9000 > 186.

Of course that ignores that 60% of those children had comorbidities that contributed to the death.
 
maybe not a doctors office - but the DO test for COVID /unless it's a medical emergency. I know this because my sis has to get a liver transplant and they constantly test a week or so ahead - mammogram,colonostomy (sp) transfusions/ you name it
Of course they test before surgery.

Test before a mammogram? ROFLMAO.. I'll have to tell my wife and her coworkers that one. I'm sure the head of radiology will find it as funny as I do. There is no reason to test before a catscan or an MRI or any other such test. The rapid test can take 2 hours so you would have all those people sitting around waiting until the test was completed so they could spend 15 minutes being scanned.


i have no idea what this means (quote below) in terms of hard counts , and the 200k is YOUR figure which I questioned
It isn't my figure. It is the CDC death count numbers based on expected deaths using the average of the previous 3 years. Your denials or refusal to do the research doesn't make them "my figure."

Let me explain how flu deaths are calculated each year. They don't count the death certificates that list flu as a cause of death because that is rarely listed as a cause. What the CDC does is look at the number of deaths, the number of expected deaths if there was no flu, the time frame of when people are going to the doctor and testing positive for flu and then mathematically calculate how many of the deaths were likely caused by flu. If you typically see 1000 deaths per month and then during flu season you see 1100 deaths per month it is most likely those extra 100 deaths are caused by flu. Statistically you try to eliminate all other possible causes for the increase such as if there was a plane crash that month that killed 100 people. They can't say for certain that all those deaths would have been caused by flu but they give a range of the likely number that were. It is a calculation that only can occur several months after all the deaths have been reported since it requires a hard look at the data.

Eventually, they will do the same thing with deaths while Covid is active. They will compare the number of deaths and look at the probability of which deaths were likely caused by Covid vs other causes. So if you know of something other than Covid causing deaths, like for instance a Trump virus, then inform the CDC so they don't overcount Covid deaths.
 
IT'S ALL DEATHS WHERE COVID WAS CITED AS A CAUSE....THE .06 WERE HOW MANY WERE JUST COVID = A LITTLE OVER 9,000...NATIONWIDE.


THERE WILL BE SOME VERY PISSED OFF AMERICANS IF THIS GETS AROUND....MILLIONS OF THEM.

Then go lick some doorknobs in Florida and tell us how you do, fucktard. I'm done caring if people like you live or die.
 
Of course they test before surgery.

Test before a mammogram? ROFLMAO.. I'll have to tell my wife and her coworkers that one. I'm sure the head of radiology will find it as funny as I do. There is no reason to test before a catscan or an MRI or any other such test. The rapid test can take 2 hours so you would have all those people sitting around waiting until the test was completed so they could spend 15 minutes being scanned.



It isn't my figure. It is the CDC death count numbers based on expected deaths using the average of the previous 3 years. Your denials or refusal to do the research doesn't make them "my figure."

Let me explain how flu deaths are calculated each year. They don't count the death certificates that list flu as a cause of death because that is rarely listed as a cause. What the CDC does is look at the number of deaths, the number of expected deaths if there was no flu, the time frame of when people are going to the doctor and testing positive for flu and then mathematically calculate how many of the deaths were likely caused by flu. If you typically see 1000 deaths per month and then during flu season you see 1100 deaths per month it is most likely those extra 100 deaths are caused by flu. Statistically you try to eliminate all other possible causes for the increase such as if there was a plane crash that month that killed 100 people. They can't say for certain that all those deaths would have been caused by flu but they give a range of the likely number that were. It is a calculation that only can occur several months after all the deaths have been reported since it requires a hard look at the data.

Eventually, they will do the same thing with deaths while Covid is active. They will compare the number of deaths and look at the probability of which deaths were likely caused by Covid vs other causes. So if you know of something other than Covid causing deaths, like for instance a Trump virus, then inform the CDC so they don't overcount Covid deaths.
You're throwing WAY too many facts and too much nuance at this crowd. All they want to hear is "China Virus Bad And Also A Hoax/Democrat Cities Burning!" and move on.
 
I've no doubt it's a global involvement. After all look at the genesis. The WHO and China.


Make up your mind. Is the "China Virus" a nasty plague unleashed by nefarious Chinese labs, or just a dumb hoax and no one's dying from it?

You've gotta pick one, dipshit. Both can't be true.
 
I've no doubt it's a global involvement. After all look at the genesis. The WHO and China.

From the BBC website. Does anyboby know how they count numbers in the US and does it vary from state to state?



A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced. The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures. But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic. This brings England's measure in line with the other UK nations.
 
From the BBC website. Does anyboby know how they count numbers in the US and does it vary from state to state?

I'm working right now. Later I'll grab all those links I've been posting the last few months on how the US CDC differs by state and also by nation
on how they've inflated our numbers here. :cool:
 
I'm working right now. Later I'll grab all those links I've been posting the last few months on how the US CDC differs by state and also by nation
on how they've inflated our numbers here. :cool:

FOXNEWS needs to get this OUT, AS WE KNOW DAMNED GOOD AND WELL THE FAKE NEWS/LYING LEFT WILL TRY TO BLOCK ITS RELEASE...AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE LEVEL OF LIES THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE CORON-A-CRATS...
 
Make up your mind. Is the "China Virus" a nasty plague unleashed by nefarious Chinese labs, or just a dumb hoax and no one's dying from it?

You've gotta pick one, dipshit. Both can't be true.

All they did was use coronavirus tests to claim anyone with antibodies from previous cold infections is positive for the mysterious Covid 19. Then they swapped some stats from normally occurring deaths and called them Covid deaths. The OP says it all if you follow the link. Average number of comorbidities was 2.6
Almost everyone who died has pre existing conditions that any viral infection would exacerbate.
It's a fucking psyop to affect the election by globally linked actors like Fauci and Gates and the people in the various governments and media they've paid off to allow them to bring in the ID2020.org plans for vaccine tattoos or possible microchip and for Gates and for his friends to collect billions for selling the vaccine.

It's a global scam to get the world under control for the elite cabal.
Study it out. It's all there to be verified
Here's Bill Gates id2020 website
https://id2020.org/
 
From the BBC website. Does anyboby know how they count numbers in the US and does it vary from state to state?

About CDC COVID-19 Data


Updated July 13, 2020

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On This Page

Summary
Accuracy of Data
Confirmed & Probable Counts
Number of Jurisdictions Reporting

Summary

CDC reports COVID-19 case counts, deaths, and laboratory testing numbers daily online. Data on the COVID-19 website and CDC’s COVID Data Tracker are based on the most recent numbers reported by states, territories, and other jurisdictions. Data are dependent on jurisdictions’ timely and accurate reporting.

In addition, CDC regularly reports provisional death certificate data on the NCHS website. Reporting the number of deaths by using death certificates ultimately provides more complete information but is a longer process and, therefore, these numbers will be less than the deaths count on the COVID-19 website.

Accuracy of Data

CDC tracks COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths to monitor trends, detect where outbreaks are occurring, and determine whether public health measures are working. However, counting exact numbers of COVID-19 cases is not possible because COVID-19 can cause mild illness, symptoms might not appear immediately, there are delays in reporting and testing, not everyone who is infected gets tested or seeks medical care, and there are differences in how completely states and territories report their cases.

COVID-19 is one of about 120 diseases or conditions health departments voluntarily report to CDC. State, local, and territorial public health departments verify and report cases to CDC. When there are differences between numbers of cases reported by CDC versus by health departments, data reported by health departments should be considered the most up to date. Health departments may update case data over time when they receive more complete and accurate information. The number of new cases reported each day fluctuates. There is generally less reporting on the weekends and holidays.

CDC reports death data on three sections of the website: U.S. Cases & Deaths, COVID Data Tracker, and NCHS Provisional Death Counts. U.S. Cases and COVID Data Tracker get their information from the same source (total case counts); however, NCHS Death Counts are based on death certificates that use information reported by physicians, medical examiners, or coroners in the cause-of-death section of each certificate. Data from each of these pages are considered provisional (not complete and pending verification) and are therefore subject to change. Counts from previous weeks are continually revised as more records are received and processed. Because not all jurisdictions report counts daily, counts may increase at different intervals.


As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statementpdf iconexternal icon issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. Nationally notifiable disease cases are voluntarily reported to CDC by jurisdictions.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19

Not all jurisdictions report probable cases and deaths to CDC. When not available to CDC, it is noted as N/A. Please note that jurisdictions may reclassify probable cases at any time to confirmed cases (if confirmatory laboratory evidence is obtained) or withdraw probable case reports entirely if further public health investigation determines that the individual most likely did not have COVID-19. As a result, probable case counts can fluctuate substantially. A jurisdiction might even report a negative number of probable cases on a given day, if more probable cases were disproven than were initially reported on that day.

Number of Jurisdictions Reporting

There are currently 60 U.S.-affiliated jurisdictions reporting cases of COVID-19. This includes the 50 states; the District of Columbia; New York City, the U.S. territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U.S Virgin Islands; and three independent countries in compacts of free association with the United States (Federated States of Micronesia, Republic of the Marshall Islands, and Republic of Palau). New York State’s reported case and death counts do not include New York City’s counts as they separately report nationally notifiable conditions to CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/about-us-cases-deaths.html

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Here's how to check every state:
https://www.shvs.org/state-covid-19-data-dashboards/
and
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

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Testing data is gathered from individual states, as reported in state health department websites, data dashboards and press releases from officials.

As of 26 May 2020, there have been a number of media reports noting that the testing figures released by some states include antibody tests in addition to PCR tests – as discussed in this article in The Atlantic. Our dataset aims to report only PCR tests. But because some states do not disaggregate these types of tests we are not currently able to exclude the antibody tests.

Other differences across states include: some report the number of tests performed, others the number of people tested; some include private labs, others not; some report negative test results, others only positive test results; some include pending tests, others do not (below we show figures that exclude explicitly pending results).

Moreover, many states do not explicitly provide details about these important factors needed to interpret the data they provide.

There are issues in comparing the figures over time. The totals given for early on in the outbreak do not include all states. One significant uncertainty is the extent to which the rapid rise in tests seen from the mid-March in part reflects states beginning to report private lab tests.

Overall the figures should be seen as providing a general indication of testing output, rather than a specific count of a given indicator. Given the very incomplete coverage and reporting delays of the CDC data, it provides a very important additional perspective.

The Project documents their work in lots of detail. See the link provided above for full details.

The United States testing data includes non-PCR tests, which reduces its comparability with other countries.

ALSO...

Detailed description:

Since August 2020, our principal time series for the United States is based on the CSV file made available by the Department of Health & Human Services on HealthData.gov.

It “includes viral COVID-19 laboratory test (PCR) results from over 1,000 U.S. laboratories and testing locations including commercial and reference laboratories, public health laboratories, hospital laboratories, and other testing locations.”

The source notes that “data presented here is representative of diagnostic specimens being tested – not individual people (…). Data presented might not represent the most current counts for the most recent 3 days due to the time it takes to report testing information. The data may also not include results from all potential testing sites within the jurisdiction (e.g., non-laboratory or point of care test sites) and therefore reflect the majority, but not all, of COVID-19 testing being conducted in the United States.”

It is also explained in the description that the data “excludes serology tests where possible”, which may indicate that not 100% of the tests included in the time series are PCR tests.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing#united-states

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"data presented here is representative of diagnostic specimens being tested – not individual people (…)"
^ This is abominable! We're counting specimens, not individuals. So, if 10 people test positive, but one of them has had 7 tests, it's reported in the fake news as 17 cases!!!!! :palm:

The big takeaway for me? Could we POSSIBLY have been more vague all these months in reporting factual stats"??????? No. It's been a mess!
 
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