Can we please stop the JFK comparison BS with Obama?

[KingCondanomation]

JFK called on people to stop looking to their country (government). He also cut taxes on the rich by 20%.

Obama is just a regular Liberal who wants people to start looking to depend even more on their country for universal healthcare, etc... While Obama wants to tax more successful Americans to fund more government dependence.

To be fair they are both great speakers, and I suppose both inspirational but totally different in WHAT they inspire people to do.

 

[Bonestorm]

JFK called on people to stop looking to their country (government). He also cut taxes on the rich by 20%.

Obama is just a regular Liberal who wants people to start looking to depend even more on their country for universal healthcare, etc... While Obama wants to tax more successful Americans to fund more government dependence.

To be fair they are both great speakers, and I suppose both inspirational but totally different in WHAT they inspire people to do.

Are you proposing that we implement the tax rates that were in effect under Kennedy? I doubt any liberal anywhere would fight you on that one.

 

[Onceler]

It's the funniest thing to spend time on this board & see posts from both lefties & righties saying either that Obama is rushing too much toward the center or, in Dixie's case, that he'll be "just like Bush," and then hear from Dano that he's just another far leftie.

I guess he must be doing something right.

 

[evince]

Its amazing how little the far right gets about who Obama is.

Nearly 80% of the country sees him possitively.

This is our first minority president, this country is dying to come together and be one.

This is a generational momment in our country.

Go ahead and tell your fellow countrymen to dispare and feel helpless, your company will be small amounts of rather unpleasent people.

 

[cawacko]

It's kind of like the Jordan comparisons in basketball when a whole decade of potential upcoming stars were labeled the 'next Jordan'. Ultimately Obama will create his own legacy. Until then labeling him the next this or that is just a bunch of wasted rhetoric.

And yes Desh he is popular before he's taken office. Not all that surprising. Wait until he actually has to govern and inevitabally pisses people off and see how high that rating stays.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Are you proposing that we implement the tax rates that were in effect under Kennedy? I doubt any liberal anywhere would fight you on that one.

Cute. He lowered them and opposed the Liberal wing of the party at the time in doing so.
You can spin it, but JFK was no Liberal and showed that by his actions, his voting record was among the most Conservative for Dems. Obama on the other hand has a voting record of a regular Liberal Democrat, favoring more government dependence.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Its amazing how little the far right gets about who Obama is.

I've studied his voting record, have you? It's over 90% for the left side of issues and he is ranked as one of the most partisan voting senators for his party.

Nearly 80% of the country sees him possitively.

This is our first minority president, this country is dying to come together and be one.

This is a generational momment in our country.

Go ahead and tell your fellow countrymen to dispare and feel helpless, your company will be small amounts of rather unpleasent people.

All this is true, people see him positively, never disputed that. He has done something we haven't seen since FDR, which is, after an unpopular prez, make Socialism sound sexy. Hugo Chavez has the same ability.
But words, no matter how inspirational, which promote yet more government dependence will only lead to a weaker, lazier country and less prosperity.

 

[Bonestorm]

Cute. He lowered them and opposed the Liberal wing of the party at the time in doing so.
You can spin it, but JFK was no Liberal and showed that by his actions, his voting record was among the most Conservative for Dems. Obama on the other hand has a voting record of a regular Liberal Democrat, favoring more government dependence.

Cute? I'm just letting you know the facts. Just so I understand, implementing a 70% top marginal tax rate is conservative? What am I missing? If that is the standard than Obama, who proposed a top marginal tax rate of (I think) 37.5% is to the right of Goldwater.

 

[KingCondanomation]

It's kind of like the Jordan comparisons in basketball when a whole decade of potential upcoming stars were labeled the 'next Jordan'. Ultimately Obama will create his own legacy. Until then labeling him the next this or that is just a bunch of wasted rhetoric.

And yes Desh he is popular before he's taken office. Not all that surprising. Wait until he actually has to govern and inevitabally pisses people off and see how high that rating stays.

I think anyone would look popular after Bush. It's just human nature to think that after bad times with one person, good times must be about to happen with someone new.

Obama's (voting) record is nothing like JFK's, so why would the results end up the same?

 

[KingCondanomation]

Cute? I'm just letting you know the facts. Just so I understand, implementing a 70% top marginal tax rate is conservative? What am I missing? If that is the standard than Obama, who proposed a top marginal tax rate of (I think) 37.5% is to the right of Goldwater.

Stop being a lawyer. He moved to start lowering taxes, he did as much as he could get away with at the time and who knows, could have likely done more given a 2nd term.

Let's be clear and stop playing games, if the tax rate on the rich was 90% like it was back then, would Obama or ANY Liberal propose lowering it? Of course not and YOU know it.

 

[charver]

Considering how bad a President JFK actually was, i hope the comparisons are as far from the truth as possible.

 

[evince]

I've studied his voting record, have you? It's over 90% for the left side of issues and he is ranked as one of the most partisan voting senators for his party.


All this is true, people see him positively, never disputed that. He has done something we haven't seen since FDR, which is, after an unpopular prez, make Socialism sound sexy. Hugo Chavez has the same ability.
But words, no matter how inspirational, which promote yet more government dependence will only lead to a weaker, lazier country and less prosperity.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


the one self proclaimed socialist we have on the board is pissed as hell at Obama because he thinks hes Bush III.


Having a record of obstruction in the Bush years is Heaven to most Americans ears.

 

[Bonestorm]

Stop being a lawyer. He moved to start lowering taxes, he did as much as he could get away with at the time and who knows, could have likely done more given a 2nd term.

Let's be clear and stop playing games, if the tax rate on the rich was 90% like it was back then, would Obama or ANY Liberal propose lowering it? Of course not and YOU know it.

OK, let's play make believe. If the tax rate was 35% in 1964 would JFK or ANY Democrat propose lowering it? Of course not and YOU know it.

That was fun. We should do this again some time.

 

[KingCondanomation]

It's the funniest thing to spend time on this board & see posts from both lefties & righties saying either that Obama is rushing too much toward the center or, in Dixie's case, that he'll be "just like Bush," and then hear from Dano that he's just another far leftie.
I guess he must be doing something right.

To hear his speeches, I would probably call him a moderate.
I call him a far lefty based on his voting record of voting 92.33% of the time for the leftwing side:
http://www.acuratings.org/2007senate.htm#IL

That is all.

 

[Onceler]

To hear his speeches, I would probably call him a moderate.
I call him a far lefty based on his voting record of voting 92.33% of the time for the leftwing side:
http://www.acuratings.org/2007senate.htm#IL

That is all.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to look at his picks for his economic team & foreign policy team to not think he is going to govern from the center.

Like I said, many on the left are completely disgusted w/ him right now. Spend a little time debating w/ BAC.

 

[KingCondanomation]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
the one self proclaimed socialist we have on the board is pissed as hell at Obama because he thinks hes Bush III.

HAHAHAHA, ok you got me guy, one person's opinion negates an entire lifetime voting record.
I get part of why blackascoal is upset over Obama, he (rightly) sees that Obama has fairly little interest in the "Liberal" interests in less government where lefties traditionally decrease government like with less war and less civil liberties restrictions.
But the other part of him not liking Obama and believing he is a centrist, well he comes across as someone I think who will just never be happy with anything Obama does with nitpicking over this appointment or that.
The most important trait in a president is what he is prepared to veto and Obama doesn't even have close to the guts needed to cut or stop any government, not that with a majoritity Liberal Democrat run congress he would see anything but spending/regulation/tax increase bills anyway.

Having a record of obstruction in the Bush years is Heaven to most Americans ears.

Obstruction? Most votes in the senate are regular spending bills that the president has little interest in and almost never started (and by "started" I mean, used the bully pulpit as he has no power to propose legislation).

 

[leaningright]

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to look at his picks for his economic team & foreign policy team to not think he is going to govern from the center.

Like I said, many on the left are completely disgusted w/ him right now. Spend a little time debating w/ BAC.

Isn't that the truth. Many of his picks are near the center and that is infuriating to most on the far left. Noting some of his picks I remain somewhat cautiously optomistic. The problem is that there are some on the far right (and that is where I really am as far as moral issues go) that cannot see the moderate nature of Obama's picks. It is truly amazing.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to look at his picks for his economic team & foreign policy team to not think he is going to govern from the center.

Like I said, many on the left are completely disgusted w/ him right now. Spend a little time debating w/ BAC.

BAC is, I think you will agree with me here, the most principled puritan lefty on the board. Once Obama did or even said one thing that went against what an expected liberal should say, then he lost his support forever.

Obama's picks matter far less than whether Obama is going to actually stop government growing or at least not encourage it, and he will do nothing but grow it yet more than Bush did.

 

[Onceler]

Isn't that the truth. Many of his picks are near the center and that is infuriating to most on the far left. Noting some of his picks I remain somewhat cautiously optomistic. The problem is that there are some on the far right (and that is where I really am as far as moral issues go) that cannot see the moderate nature of Obama's picks. It is truly amazing.

Well, I think for social conservatives, they probably have a point. I have little doubt that Obama will act quickly on stem cells, and abortion rights will surely benefit under his tenure. He also won't be signing a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage anytime soon.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I think Obama is the next Reagan. Like Reagan, he has provided inspiration in a down time. Like Reagan, I think Obama will work with both parties to try to overcome the obstacles this country faces at this time. Like Reagan, he inherits an economy in serious trouble. Like Reagan, he inherits an increasingly bad situation overseas. Like Reagan, I believe Obama will overcome this environment and put this country back on track.