Do natural rights exist?

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I don't think they do. I think they were useful in an era when the primary justification for everything was "God wills it", but aren't useful in a rational world where we decide that rights are good for humanity with logic rather than mysticism.

 

[Epicurus]

There is no right to anything beyond what you can create, take and hold for yourself.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

says who?

 

[Minister of Truth]

Watermark is not a liberal.

So what is he, again? ...Other than a spaz, I mean?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

you have rights simply by being human. that excludes WM of course.

 

[tinfoil]

I don't think they do. I think they were useful in an era when the primary justification for everything was "God wills it", but aren't useful in a rational world where we decide that rights are good for humanity with logic rather than mysticism.

There's a case to be made for both. One hinges on the trade off we make for safety and ease of existence when we choose to form society.

without society, rights lose meaning. Anything goes. there's only death and existence

therefore, I can not even answer your poll.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The ultimate survival strategy is to cooperate with others such that mutually beneficial relationships are created, and alliances are strenghthened. The arguments against natural rights are usually proferred by misguided totalitarians who refuse to treat others with respect, and use the abstraction of SOCIETY to deny rights to individuals who threaten their power. These totalitarian plans and ways of thinking will always fail.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Watermark is not a liberal.

So what is he, again? ...Other than a spaz, I mean?

He's an internationalist fascist.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

He's an internationalist fascist.

LOL

 

[Minister of Truth]

That was pretty damn funny.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

FUCK YOU TURDBURGER!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The ultimate survival strategy is to cooperate with others such that mutually beneficial relationships are created, and alliances are strenghthened. The arguments against natural rights are usually proferred by misguided totalitarians who refuse to treat others with respect, and use the abstraction of SOCIETY to deny rights to individuals who threaten their power. These totalitarian plans and ways of thinking will always fail.

But those rights wouldn't be natural. They would be man made.

 

[KingCondanomation]

I don't think they do. I think they were useful in an era when the primary justification for everything was "God wills it", but aren't useful in a rational world where we decide that rights are good for humanity with logic rather than mysticism.

Would you argue people have no natural right to life?

 

[KingCondanomation]

He's an internationalist fascist.

Not to be confused with the internationalist noahide fascist.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Would you argue people have no natural right to life?

If I'm arguing that you have no natural right to speech or religion, then yeah, no natural right to life either.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Not to be confused with the internationalist noahide fascist.

No. He has sufficiently internalized the Self-hating goy meme they push.

 

[Epicurus]

Watermark, how do you define a natural right?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Watermark, how do you define a natural right?

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

 

[SmarterthanYou]

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

everybody is created, except you. weren't you spawned? BOOM, headshot!!!!

/tribes was awesome
//so is spawncamping

 

[Epicurus]

I remember Tribes 2. That game was the shit.

Also Watermark, I guess I just have trouble accepting the idea that exiting a uterus entitles you to anything at all. Men make themselves what they are. I don't think that anyone has a "right" to anything if they cannot obtain it and defend it themselves.