Wow Obama really has it in for Pakistan
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It's just an extension of the same policy we have been pursuing all along, and for that reason, I don't believe this will explode into chaos and a nuclear confrontation. In fact, Pakistan itself didn't even bother to complain about it.
On Rachel Maddow's show last night, she said that Obama didn't even have to approve the missile attacks. Apparently the CIA just does them. He was told about them, but his approval was not needed. Of course, he could have stopped them. When he chose not to, he owned this, and the deaths which resulted.
And I don't support air strikes of any kind, no matter who is in office. I understand the argument that there are people out there hoping to kill Americans. But I support approaching it as a criminal matter, with the caveat that in certain situations I definitely support an execution in the field.
But never air strikes. And the "responsibility" lies with every American tax-payer, just as it always has. I was as responsible when George Bush was President, as were you.
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why is there still a stink being raised about this except by the anti war folks?
Look, the pakistan government NEEDS us to do this. They've been wanting to get rid of the 'tribalism' ever since they got nukes. They just can't do it themselves without starting a civil war.
Look, the pakistan government NEEDS us to do this. They've been wanting to get rid of the 'tribalism' ever since they got nukes. They just can't do it themselves without starting a civil war.
Oh, well if a government wants us to kill their kids, then that's different. Then we should definitely do it.
Here's a snapshot of what we did to Pakistan, as a result of our "winning in Afghanistan".
Personally, I do not think that dropping bombs on them is the answer to this travesty.
Radio Spreads Taliban’s Terror in Pakistani Region
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and PIR ZUBAIR SHAH
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Every night around 8 o’clock, the terrified residents of Swat, a lush and picturesque valley a hundred miles from three of Pakistan’s most important cities, crowd around their radios. They know that failure to listen and learn might lead to a lashing — or a beheading.
Using a portable radio transmitter, a local Taliban leader, Shah Doran, on most nights outlines newly proscribed “un-Islamic” activities in Swat, like selling DVDs, watching cable television, singing and dancing, criticizing the Taliban, shaving beards and allowing girls to attend school. He also reveals names of people the Taliban have recently killed for violating their decrees — and those they plan to kill.
“They control everything through the radio,” said one Swat resident, who declined to give his name for fear the Taliban might kill him. “Everyone waits for the broadcast.”
International attention remains fixed on the Taliban’s hold on Pakistan’s semiautonomous tribal areas, from where they launch attacks on American forces in Afghanistan. But for Pakistan, the loss of the Swat Valley could prove just as devastating.
Unlike the fringe tribal areas, Swat, a Delaware-size chunk of territory with 1.3 million residents and a rich cultural history, is part of Pakistan proper, within reach of Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Islamabad, the capital.
After more than a year of fighting, virtually all of it is now under Taliban control, marking the militants’ farthest advance eastward into Pakistan’s so-called settled areas, residents and government officials from the region say.
With the increasing consolidation of their power, the Taliban have taken a sizable bite out of the nation. And they are enforcing a strict interpretation of Islam with cruelty, bringing public beheadings, assassinations, social and cultural repression and persecution of women to what was once an independent, relatively secular region, dotted with ski resorts and fruit orchards and known for its dancing girls.
Last year, 70 police officers were beheaded, shot or otherwise slain in Swat, and 150 wounded, said Malik Naveed Khan, the police inspector general for the North-West Frontier Province.
The police have become so afraid that many officers have put advertisements in newspapers renouncing their jobs so the Taliban will not kill them.
One who stayed on the job was Farooq Khan, a midlevel officer in Mingora, the valley’s largest city, where decapitated bodies of policemen and other victims routinely surface. Last month, he was shopping there when two men on a motorcycle sprayed him with gunfire, killing him in broad daylight.
“He always said, ‘I have to stay here and defend our home,’ ” recalled his brother, Wajid Ali Khan, a Swat native and the province’s minister for environment, as he passed around a cellphone with Farooq’s picture.
In the view of analysts, the growing nightmare in Swat is a capsule of the country’s problems: an ineffectual and unresponsive civilian government, coupled with military and security forces that, in the view of furious residents, have willingly allowed the militants to spread terror deep into Pakistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/asia/25swat.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print
Personally, I do not think that dropping bombs on them is the answer to this travesty.
Radio Spreads Taliban’s Terror in Pakistani Region
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and PIR ZUBAIR SHAH
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Every night around 8 o’clock, the terrified residents of Swat, a lush and picturesque valley a hundred miles from three of Pakistan’s most important cities, crowd around their radios. They know that failure to listen and learn might lead to a lashing — or a beheading.
Using a portable radio transmitter, a local Taliban leader, Shah Doran, on most nights outlines newly proscribed “un-Islamic” activities in Swat, like selling DVDs, watching cable television, singing and dancing, criticizing the Taliban, shaving beards and allowing girls to attend school. He also reveals names of people the Taliban have recently killed for violating their decrees — and those they plan to kill.
“They control everything through the radio,” said one Swat resident, who declined to give his name for fear the Taliban might kill him. “Everyone waits for the broadcast.”
International attention remains fixed on the Taliban’s hold on Pakistan’s semiautonomous tribal areas, from where they launch attacks on American forces in Afghanistan. But for Pakistan, the loss of the Swat Valley could prove just as devastating.
Unlike the fringe tribal areas, Swat, a Delaware-size chunk of territory with 1.3 million residents and a rich cultural history, is part of Pakistan proper, within reach of Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Islamabad, the capital.
After more than a year of fighting, virtually all of it is now under Taliban control, marking the militants’ farthest advance eastward into Pakistan’s so-called settled areas, residents and government officials from the region say.
With the increasing consolidation of their power, the Taliban have taken a sizable bite out of the nation. And they are enforcing a strict interpretation of Islam with cruelty, bringing public beheadings, assassinations, social and cultural repression and persecution of women to what was once an independent, relatively secular region, dotted with ski resorts and fruit orchards and known for its dancing girls.
Last year, 70 police officers were beheaded, shot or otherwise slain in Swat, and 150 wounded, said Malik Naveed Khan, the police inspector general for the North-West Frontier Province.
The police have become so afraid that many officers have put advertisements in newspapers renouncing their jobs so the Taliban will not kill them.
One who stayed on the job was Farooq Khan, a midlevel officer in Mingora, the valley’s largest city, where decapitated bodies of policemen and other victims routinely surface. Last month, he was shopping there when two men on a motorcycle sprayed him with gunfire, killing him in broad daylight.
“He always said, ‘I have to stay here and defend our home,’ ” recalled his brother, Wajid Ali Khan, a Swat native and the province’s minister for environment, as he passed around a cellphone with Farooq’s picture.
In the view of analysts, the growing nightmare in Swat is a capsule of the country’s problems: an ineffectual and unresponsive civilian government, coupled with military and security forces that, in the view of furious residents, have willingly allowed the militants to spread terror deep into Pakistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/asia/25swat.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print
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so why aren't you calling for obama to be tried for war crimes?
I thought I'd wait till he committed some spurt.
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so the airstrikes are not crimes? the deaths from those airstrikes are not crimes?
You don't know what a war crime is, do you, you little pissant?
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i am asking you specific questions. i wonder why you are afraid to answer them...
so the airstrikes are not crimes? the deaths from those airstrikes are not crimes?
I already answered them, and you have just advertised that you don't know what a warcrime is.
And you're so stupid, you don't even know what you just did.
You are the perfect example of an ignorant republican and exactly why we got eight years of all kinds of crimes, including war crimes, under our previous adminstration.
The way you and yours pissed on this country is exactly what you are doing to this board. Scum.
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where did you answer whether the airstrikes were crimes?
link up
link up
You don't know what a war crime is, do you spurt?
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where did you answer that the airstrikes are not crimes....
i am guessing that you stating you will wait till he commits war crimes is your "answer" that the airstrikes that killed people are not crimes, of any kind.
i am sure you feel that bush ordering airstrikes is not a crime either...
at least we now have your thoughts on what is NOT considered a war crime or crime of any kind...airstrikes ordered by obama are not crimes, despite the deaths caused.
Air strikes are not considered war crimes, in and of themselves. If they can be defended as militarily necessary. The wholesale destruction of cities or villages can be considered a war crime, if it cannot reasonably be defended as an act of military necessity.
The violating of the geneva conventions and the abuse of any prisoner of war, are reconized internationally as war crimes. That is what makes your homoerotic man crush, George W Bush, a war criminal, and yourself a supporter of war crimes. As you may have heard, President Obama has issued executive orders ending those criminal practices.
Now, whether the Unites States bombings of Pakistan are legal, under UN charter, is another question, and one that you, who have already demonstrated does not even know what a war crime is, are hopelessly ill-equipped to address. Let's not even get into attempting to discuss the nuances of war crimes vs moral crimes, with a murderous, baby-killing little shit like you spurt.
I am not surprised to find you so ignorant. Become a Republican, it's easier than thinking. And plus, rape and baby murder is fun, from your living room!
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you're sexually frustrated darla
step away from the keyboard and go and live life
step away from the keyboard and go and live life
LOL. Shoot, just the other week there was a whole thread about the innocents that Bush killed with those missiles. Those missiles either got suddenly accurate, or there is some sort of partisanship going on.
I'm not sure which yet...
LOL. Shoot, just the other week there was a whole thread about the innocents that Bush killed with those missiles. Those missiles either got suddenly accurate, or there is some sort of partisanship going on.
I'm not sure which yet...
If you bother to read my posts, you will see that I stated that Pakistan reported that the strikes killed 3 children, and that in fact, I used the term, murder. So as usual, you are just emoting.