Assholes and idiots;

Rune said:
I do have a point.
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I do have a point.
I understand that you don't understand.
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Oh, I understand that you think you have an important point. It's probably some misplaced sense of "fairness" that's really envy in disguise. Fun fact: Lenin used the same tactic to stir up the proletariat, comrade rune!

Let it go! Be like Elsa! And not just the way you dress!
 
Callinectes said:
Oh, I understand that you think you have an important point. It's probably some misplaced sense of "fairness" that's really envy in disguise. Fun fact: Lenin used the same tactic to stir up the proletariat, comrade rune!

Let it go! Be like Elsa! And not just the way you dress!
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4 days to come up with that?
 
Callinectes said:
Oh, I understand that you think you have an important point. It's probably some misplaced sense of "fairness" that's really envy in disguise. Fun fact: Lenin used the same tactic to stir up the proletariat, comrade rune!
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Lenin assumed he would have to stir up the proletariat, but it did not end up that way. First of all, there were few proletariats in Russia. Most of the Russians were peasants working on farms. Russia had not gone through an industrial revolution.

Worse still, Lenin was timid compared to the few proletariats there were. The Russian Revolutions happened in quick succession, and mostly far ahead of Lenin. Lenin was on vacation during one of the key revolutions. Bizarrely enough, he was trying to act as a calming force as the Russians had their rage.
 
Walt said:
Lenin assumed he would have to stir up the proletariat, but it did not end up that way. First of all, there were few proletariats in Russia. Most of the Russians were peasants working on farms. Russia had not gone through an industrial revolution.

Worse still, Lenin was timid compared to the few proletariats there were. The Russian Revolutions happened in quick succession, and mostly far ahead of Lenin. Lenin was on vacation during one of the key revolutions. Bizarrely enough, he was trying to act as a calming force as the Russians had their rage.
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Sounds like you have done your homework....:thup:

There are a few here that know quite a bit as well, I have learned much from them..

Including family experiences in China & Russia during the revolution....... Interesting stuff..:)
 
Walt said:
Lenin assumed he would have to stir up the proletariat, but it did not end up that way. First of all, there were few proletariats in Russia. Most of the Russians were peasants working on farms. Russia had not gone through an industrial revolution.

Worse still, Lenin was timid compared to the few proletariats there were. The Russian Revolutions happened in quick succession, and mostly far ahead of Lenin. Lenin was on vacation during one of the key revolutions. Bizarrely enough, he was trying to act as a calming force as the Russians had their rage.
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Seriously? Do you really believe that V.I. Lenin did not understand his country?
 
Bill said:
Sounds like you have done your homework....:thup:

There are a few here that know quite a bit as well, I have learned much from them..

Including family experiences in China & Russia during the revolution....... Interesting stuff..:)
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Both revolutions (or should we say series of revolutions and civil wars) are fascinating. None are what you expect.
 
Guille said:
Seriously? Do you really believe that V.I. Lenin did not understand his country?
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Lenin failed to predict the February Revolution. He failed to predict the Kornilov Affair, or that it would collapse so easily. And that is just in Petrograd. Historians still do not know what happened in the countryside, and no one at the time really knew.

Lenin understood Russia better than almost anyone, which is to say he understood almost nothing about it.

Russia was a huge country of people who were very poorly educated and did not communicate much. There was no freedom of expression, and little freedom to vote. Lenin had been out of the country for 13 years (since well before WWI), but even when he was in the country there was little communication with large portions of the peasant population.
 
Walt said:
Both revolutions (or should we say series of revolutions and civil wars) are fascinating. None are what you expect.
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Yep...... Cypress' family was in a Russian part of North-East China, Harbin I believe & were forced to join the diaspora like so many others...
 
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