LMAO, Now the righties are complaining that no bible was used at 2nd swearing in

ManU1959 said:
no one in a waring nation is innocent.....they should either be fighting with their country or against it...

if you have capital punishment it is possible an innocent man will be killed.....when was the last innocent man killed......

never said what you claim i did about abortion....or christianity......

how about you....you chrsitian or not....abortion ....war....death penalty....

you seem to have it all sorted.....spill.....
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I do apologize for claiming you said something you did not. I was posting here and talking with one of my kids on FaceBook. Hurrying is not conducive to accuracy.
 
Solitary said:
So those who believe that two joined cells do not constitute independent life, are lying about their religious beliefs?

Those who believe that the victim of rape should not be required by law to carry the results of that rape to term are lying about their religious beliefs?

Those who believe that the life of the mother is more important than the life of an undeveloped embryo are lying about their religious beliefs?




Its funny that you claim to know what people believe, and its based solely on what you believe.
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Sheesh sol. Why even bother with them? I've got SM on ignore. He's white noise.
 
Watermark said:
Sheesh sol. Why even bother with them? I've got SM on ignore. He's white noise.
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Because its entertaining.

Just because I like fairchase hunting and target shooting at distance doesn't mean I can't be entertained by shooting fish in a barrel.
 
Solitary said:
There has never been a war (especially in recent history) in which innocent civilians were not killed. Its called collatoral damage. And all who participate are participating in the killing of innocent humans. There is no denying this.

Also, if soldiers are drafted, they are unwilling participants in the war. And can, therefore, be considered innocents.

When we drop bombs we kill people who are not soldiers. We kill innocents.




Clear enough for you?
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Now I'm LMAO. Your "proof" has no basis in fact, and therefore fails. Wars are fought by nations not people. Let Rome have what is Rome's.
 
Southern Man said:
Now I'm LMAO. Your "proof" has no basis in fact, and therefore fails. Wars are fought by nations not people. Let Rome have what is Rome's.
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Oh please, if this is the best dodge you can come up with you are nuts.

First you say "Nothing un-Christian about supporting wars or capital punishment". Now you say "Wars are fought by nations not people. Let Rome have what is Rome's".


Is it unchristian to support wars?


And wars are ideologically fought by nations. But the people doing the fighting, bombing, and killing are individual citizens.

In our case, the leaders who sent us into war are elected by individuals.





Can't the same case be made for supporting abortion? That the medical community does it, not the people? And if the "Let Rome have what is Rome's" works for wars then it should work for abortions. Someone can support it, but since they do not actually perform it they are innocent.
 
Solitary said:
Oh please, if this is the best dodge you can come up with you are nuts.

First you say "Nothing un-Christian about supporting wars or capital punishment". Now you say "Wars are fought by nations not people. Let Rome have what is Rome's".


Is it unchristian to support wars?


And wars are ideologically fought by nations. But the people doing the fighting, bombing, and killing are individual citizens.

In our case, the leaders who sent us into war are elected by individuals.





Can't the same case be made for supporting abortion? That the medical community does it, not the people? And if the "Let Rome have what is Rome's" works for wars then it should work for abortions. Someone can support it, but since they do not actually perform it they are innocent.
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LMAO big time now. I thought abortion was an individual decision? Now you are trying to equate it with war, which is the decided upon by governments?
 
Southern Man said:
LMAO big time now. I thought abortion was an individual decision? Now you are trying to equate it with war, which is the decided upon by governments?
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Hey, I'm all for treating it the same. Each time before you can have an abortion you need an act of congress to give you permission. Individual votes for each abortion so that we can make it even more faceless. We can set up the Abortion committee...

:D
 
Southern Man said:
LMAO big time now. I thought abortion was an individual decision? Now you are trying to equate it with war, which is the decided upon by governments?
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No, that is not what I am doing.

You claimed that people who claimed to be christian when they support abortion are liars. You claim it goes against christianity because it is killing innocents.

I am showing your hypocrisy because you claim there is nothing unchristian about supporting war or capital punishment.
 
Damocles said:
Hey, I'm all for treating it the same. Each time before you can have an abortion you need an act of congress to give you permission. Individual votes for each abortion so that we can make it even more faceless. We can set up the Abortion committee...

:D
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If we do that will we give the president the power to authorize small abortions without congressional approval?
 
Solitary said:
If we do that will we give the president the power to authorize small abortions without congressional approval?
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Only when they relate to Foreign Relations. Like the funding of abortions away from here deals with Foreign relations and thus is the purview of the Executive as are "limited skirmishes"...

Therefore, since we are treating them the same (absurdly so) he'd have the authority to start some abortions, but in 60 days he'd have to bring it before congress and get their vote for each new abortion (just like wars)...

Then legions of uniformed medical personnel paid squat for their awesome responsibility would show up and do it from an airplane thousands of feet from the ground, with only occasional contact with actual patients they could abort around corners with new abortion technologies... Their machinery would allow the abortions to take place anywhere, it might be messy but who cares?
 
Damocles said:
Only when they relate to Foreign Relations. Like the funding of abortions here deals with Foreign relations and thus is the purview of the Executive as are "limited skirmishes"...

Therefore, since we are treating them the same (absurdly so) he'd have the authority to start some abortions, but in 60 days he'd have to bring it before congress and get their vote for each new abortion (just like wars)...

Then legions of uniformed medical personnel paid squat for their awesome responsibility would show up and do it from an airplane thousands of feet from the ground, with only occasional contact with actual patients they could abort around corners with new abortion technologies... Their machinery would allow the abortions to take place anywhere, it might be messy but who cares?
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LMAO! Thank you for that one. :cof1:
 
Solitary said:
No, that is not what I am doing.

You claimed that people who claimed to be christian when they support abortion are liars. You claim it goes against christianity because it is killing innocents.

I am showing your hypocrisy because you claim there is nothing unchristian about supporting war or capital punishment.
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Again, war and capital punishment are government actions, and abortion is an individual action. Moreover, the intent of war and capital punishment is to impart justice to a population, while the intent of abortion is to kill a single innocent individual. You are trying to equate things that can't be equated, so your logic fails.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, war and capital punishment are government actions, and abortion is an individual action. Moreover, the intent of war and capital punishment is to impart justice to a population, while the intent of abortion is to kill a single innocent individual. You are trying to equate things that can't be equated, so your logic fails.
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Oh I see, so if an individual supports government actions that go against christian morality, that is ok.

But if an individual supports abortion (which goes against christian morality for the same reasons, that means the person is lying of they say that they are a christian?
 
Solitary said:
Oh I see, so if an individual supports government actions that go against christian morality, that is ok.

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Again, the intent of war and capital punishment is to impart justice to a population. That justice has a net effect of saving many more innocent lives then are harmed by collateral damage or wrong verdicts. Therefore to not support just wars or just capital punishment would be immoral.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, the intent of war and capital punishment is to impart justice to a population. That justice has a net effect of saving many more innocent lives then are harmed by collateral damage or wrong verdicts. Therefore to not support just wars or just capital punishment would be immoral.
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So its morally ok to kill innocents as long as there is a net effect of saving more than you lose?

I must have missed that part of the bible.
 
Solitary said:
So its morally ok to kill innocents as long as there is a net effect of saving more than you lose?

I must have missed that part of the bible.
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This is one of the age-old philosophical questions. If you can save millions of lives by going to war and losing thousands have you done the right thing?

If you do nothing?
 
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