Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

[Old Trapper]

The fact that you have to ask how the Laws of Thermodynamics come into play just shows how ignorant you are on the topic. I don't mind educating you.

The first two laws of thermodynamics come into play and rather than giving your the formal definition, I will dumb it down for you because clearly you need it

LOL, "educate" away. I love being "educated" by the ignorant especially the arrogant asses.

First law of Thermodynamics: you can’t get something for nothing.

No one is talking of "getting something for nothing".

Second law of Thermodynamics: You can’t even break even.

Now you are just showing what an ignorant arrogant ass you are.

We can use firewood as an example of energy to illustrated the first two laws of thermodynamics. You light wood on fire and it releases stored heat energy for warming your body and cooking your food. As the wood burns, it turns to ash which is no longer a source of energy in the form of heat. That is what we call entropy.

Now we can dig deeper into this example by pointing out that when it comes to heating ones home, certain types of woods are better than others because they are more dense. For example, hickory, white oak, maple and red oak are very desirable for heating ones home as they have very high density's and store much more energy than softer woods like pine, poplar and basswood. The latter will definitely burn, but it will burn faster, produce more ash and require more wood relative to the hard woods.

Read this article about energy density and it will explain it all to you. Whether you will understand it or not is an open question

https://www.masterresource.org/energy-density/energy-density-is-key/

Now you just got boring. You forgot to include the cutting of the wood, the splitting of the wood, in preparation for your first "Law". As to the density, that has not a damn thing to do with fracking. I would suggest you get out of grade school "Thermodynamics", and take some adult courses.

 

[LV426]

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. This is according to the IAEA. I know it really upsets you, but it's reality.

Every leader in the use of solar tops the list for highest cost per KWH.

Right, but the IAEA is now saying the costs of solar are dropping like a rock, with as much as a 50% reduction in the cost by 2040.

It's in this report that for some reason, you are refusing to read. Which is weird.

It's almost as if you don't want any new information that could change your thinking because you see that as a sign of personal weakness.

Also, if you don't factor in government subsidies and tax breaks, you are hiding the true cost of solar (or anything else).

Ahem...

*stares in oil subsidies*

Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fa...-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

As of October 2017, Oil Change International estimates United States fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies at $20.5 billion annually.
http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

The World Spends $400 Billion Propping Up Oil Companies. Is That Bad?
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...l-fuel-subsidies-wouldnt-do-much-good/552668/

California leads the US in solar use. They also have the highest per KWH rates in the nation...

You know why? Because of mostly Republicans, of course...but 1990's Democrats in CA are also to blame...

The legislation requires the utilities to transfer operational control of their transmission lines to an independent agency, known as the Independent System Operator (ISO). It also creates incentives for the utilities to sell off their generating plants to private companies. Instead of the utilities setting rates regulated by the state, the legislation creates the California Power Exchange, a private nonprofit organization to set prices at auction.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/california/timeline.html

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You saw what they did to the buggy whip industry. .

which president promised to bankrupt the buggy whip industry?......

 

[Yakuda]

Is that it?

The poor dumb fuck doesn't know what else to say

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Same concept.

true....we don't want to burn illegal immigrants to power our vehicles either......

 

[canceled.2021.3]

LOL, "educate" away. I love being "educated" by the ignorant especially the arrogant asses.



No one is talking of "getting something for nothing".

Second law of Thermodynamics: You can’t even break even.

Now you are just showing what an ignorant arrogant ass you are.



Now you just got boring. You forgot to include the cutting of the wood, the splitting of the wood, in preparation for your first "Law". As to the density, that has not a damn thing to do with fracking. I would suggest you get out of grade school "Thermodynamics", and take some adult courses.

I didn't say it had anything to do with fracking. I said it is why solar and wind can never replace fossil fuels.

And yes, energy is required to get the wood.

 

[LV426]

I said it is why solar and wind can never replace fossil fuels.

They can, they have, and they do.

And now the IAEA is saying solar is the cheapest form of energy in history.

 

[votebiden]

the Green New Deal is insane.
Trump correctly pointed out our Nat Gas has made the USA the largest reduction of carbon.

Biden wants us back in the Paris Accord -and can do it by XO

Great! Landslide for Biden.

 

[LV426]

the Green New Deal is insane.

What about it is insane? Did it pretend to have received an unsolicited mail-in ballot in a state that didn't send them out?

Drumpf correctly pointed out our Nat Gas has made the USA the largest reduction of carbon.

But still far away from the goals we need to achieve. Also, most big natural gas companies went under because the cost of extraction far surpasses the revenue generated from a sale. That's why companies like Chesapeake went under, and why many others are following.

This isn't a brag, by the way...this is a self-own.

Biden wants us back in the Paris Accord -and can do it by XO

Yup, and we should be in it. It's stupid that we're not.

 

[Old Trapper]

I didn't say it had anything to do with fracking. I said it is why solar and wind can never replace fossil fuels.

And you are still wrong since it takes energy to collect the energy absorbed from the sun, or the wind. That energy is somewhat created by the transfer of heat in the panels used for collection.

And yes, energy is required to get the wood.

Energy is required to obtain most anything. It can be either positive, or negative.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Biden's "plan" is a disaster on two fronts.

First and foremost, he wants to do it on a very short timetable and force the outcome. That will be utterly disastrous. Huge segments of the economy would be totally upended. Unemployment and poverty would shoot through the rafters.

The second problem is what he wants in its place won't work. We know that. We know it for an absolute fact. Only the studiously stupid and myopic believe otherwise. These are the sort that want what they want and don't care for a second whether it will work or not.

You are over-thinking things again.

Biden didn't really have much time during the debate to fully explain his ideas and concepts.

But, unlike Trump- Biden does look into the future, and has ideas and concepts for a better world. That's why he has my vote!

 

[Granule]

Trump thinks global warming is a Chinese hoax.

We cannot have a president as delusional, as uniformed, as scientifically illiterate as that.

Trump understands that the Left is full of shit, and there are far more important things to deal with than what you tree huggers want.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Fossil fuels have played a huge role in the development and modernization of our nation.
But from the beginning of humanity to today, technology changes.

The private passenger railways prior to nationalized Amtrak went broke because they didn't know that they were in the transportation industry, not the railroad industry.
Mind you, I like trains, but nobody was in a better financial position to start the airlines than the train industry.
Now, ironically, the airlines are in trouble and modern rail as they have in Europe and Asia might be one answer. Who knows? So called forward thinking entrepreneurs should try to find out.

Oil and gas companies--even coal companies--are in the energy business. They really need to understand that. Fossil fuels are becoming obsolete, one, because we've used too much of them and harmed the planet,
and two, they're not renewable. When they're gone, they're gone.

So yes, oil and gas are on their way out. It happened to the horse-drawn carriage and buggy whip industries. It happened more recently to camera film. It happened to a lot of things.
We need to proactively find other ways to help the people in those industries make a living.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, it does. This is according to the IAEA. I know it really upsets you, but it's reality.




Right, but the IAEA is now saying the costs of solar are dropping like a rock, with as much as a 50% reduction in the cost by 2040.

It's in this report that for some reason, you are refusing to read. Which is weird.

It's almost as if you don't want any new information that could change your thinking because you see that as a sign of personal weakness.




Ahem...

*stares in oil subsidies*

Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fa...-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

As of October 2017, Oil Change International estimates United States fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies at $20.5 billion annually.
http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

The World Spends $400 Billion Propping Up Oil Companies. Is That Bad?
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...l-fuel-subsidies-wouldnt-do-much-good/552668/




You know why? Because of mostly Republicans, of course...but 1990's Democrats in CA are also to blame...

The legislation requires the utilities to transfer operational control of their transmission lines to an independent agency, known as the Independent System Operator (ISO). It also creates incentives for the utilities to sell off their generating plants to private companies. Instead of the utilities setting rates regulated by the state, the legislation creates the California Power Exchange, a private nonprofit organization to set prices at auction.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/california/timeline.html

If solar panels were free, it'd still be too expensive.

Why? Because the levelized cost of a Kilowatt-day is never going to be low with solar. What do you have to have to get 1 kilowatt of power from a solar array for 24 hours? When you answer that question honestly, you find solar is a massive, expensive, waste of time.

 

[LV426]

If solar panels were free, it'd still be too expensive.

Not according to the IAEA.

Why? Because the levelized cost of a Kilowatt-day is never going to be low with solar. What do you have to have to get 1 kilowatt of power from a solar array for 24 hours? When you answer that question honestly, you find solar is a massive, expensive, waste of time.

Not according to the IAEA.

 

[LV426]

Fossil fuels have played a huge role in the development and modernization of our nation.
But from the beginning of humanity to today, technology changes.

The private passenger railways prior to nationalized Amtrak went broke because they didn't know that they were in the transportation industry, not the railroad industry.
Mind you, I like trains, but nobody was in a better financial position to start the airlines than the train industry.
Now, ironically, the airlines are in trouble and modern rail as they have in Europe and Asia might be one answer. Who knows? So called forward thinking entrepreneurs should try to find out.

Oil and gas companies--even coal companies--are in the energy business. They really need to understand that. Fossil fuels are becoming obsolete, one, because we've used too much of them and harmed the planet,
and two, they're not renewable. When they're gone, they're gone.

So yes, oil and gas are on their way out. It happened to the horse-drawn carriage and buggy whip industries. It happened more recently to camera film. It happened to a lot of things.
We need to proactively find other ways to help the people in those industries make a living.

No one howled at the moon when we transitioned from 8-Tracks to CD's.

No one shed a tear for the VHS industry when DVDs became a thing...and no one sheds a tear over the loss of DVDs to streaming video.

Companies either adapt (Netflix) or they die (Blockbuster).

If I was CEO of Exxon, I'd be building solar panel and wind turbine factories RIGHT NOW.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not according to the IAEA.

Not according to the IAEA.

I read it and it's obvious you didn't. The whole report is a forecast on what they see energy needs will be in the next few years. It is heavy with cheering on Gorebal Warming reduction in the usual Leftist methods while ignoring everything else or painting it in the worst possible light.

Now, that said, the answer to my question earlier is:

You can only make solar power when the sun shines. The amount varies with time of day with peak efficiency coming around local solar noon. To get 1 kilowatt day of power out of a solar array you need approximately 5 kw of installed generation along with about 3.5 kw of installed storage capacity. With conventional generation you need just 1 KW of installed capacity.

Thus, you end up needing an array five times larger than planned usage and a storage capacity of 3.5 times the planned usage. When you look at that, solar becomes an instant horribly expensive loser as an energy generator.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

No one howled at the moon when we transitioned from 8-Tracks to CD's.

No one shed a tear for the VHS industry when DVDs became a thing...and no one sheds a tear over the loss of DVDs to streaming video.

Companies either adapt (Netflix) or they die (Blockbuster).

If I was CEO of Exxon, I'd be building solar panel and wind turbine factories RIGHT NOW.

I'm old so I still prefer hard media to streaming...
but for the most part, we're in complete agreement.

 

[Sailor]

I read it and it's obvious you didn't. The whole report is a forecast on what they see energy needs will be in the next few years. It is heavy with cheering on Gorebal Warming reduction in the usual Leftist methods while ignoring everything else or painting it in the worst possible light.

Now, that said, the answer to my question earlier is:

You can only make solar power when the sun shines. The amount varies with time of day with peak efficiency coming around local solar noon. To get 1 kilowatt day of power out of a solar array you need approximately 5 kw of installed generation along with about 3.5 kw of installed storage capacity. With conventional generation you need just 1 KW of installed capacity.

Thus, you end up needing an array five times larger than planned usage and a storage capacity of 3.5 times the planned usage. When you look at that, solar becomes an instant horribly expensive loser as an energy generator.

There is no use trying to explain energy density and engineering to these dumb fucks. They think because they can have a solar LED light in their yard the entire world can be powered that way. Yes, they are they fucking stupid.

 

[Trumpet]

There is no use trying to explain energy density and engineering to these dumb fucks. They think because they can have a solar LED light in their yard the entire world can be powered that way. Yes, they are they fucking stupid.

Another foolish post by Poop-Pi.