IBDaMann
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Do you have any specific examples in reality or are your only examples some imaginary cases you fabricated within the security insulation of your snowflake safe space?
Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035
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Trump's Brain
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I've been to La Pine many times. One of my former co-workers lives there. Right there on the south end of the Deschuttes - I love the OR high desert. Looking forward to skiing Mt. Bachelor again this winter!
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Uh, oh.. and then what always happens when a trumpian can't get a sane person to swallow their bullshit, they get all grumpy
Go find your safe space little camper. Don't forget Wilbur your wonder-lizard therapy pet
(I crack myself up)
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Yes, but as I demonstrated by the source you obviously didn't read these investments were in alternative energy. If renewable energy wasn't the way of the future and we have unlimited hydrocarbon resources forever as you're stupidly claiming, why would the oil and gas companies even bother?
Within my security insulation of my snowflake safe space there are numerous examples handed down by the courts:
These include but are not limited to orders involving immigration, sanctuary cities, DACA, establishment of religion, military transgender personnel..........
IBDaMann
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... that you were dishonestly shifting goalposts away from investments to replace hydrocarbons, i.e. the core business side of the house, to standard portfolio decisions, i.e. financial position side of the house for shareholders.
Correction: Since hydrocarbon alternatives are not the way of the future ...
Hydrocarbons are manufactured by the earth in vast quantities using natural geological processes. For all intents and purposes, hydrocarbons are renewable. So yes, the earth provides us with a replenishing supply of petroleum and natural gas. It's very good that you clued in on that point. These companies will not be changing their core business but they will still be free to financially position themselves with whatever investments they wish. "Renewables" offer a great hedge against competitors.
So ... you're wrong. You should be citing end-of-day results on energy futures, not some publication that confuses core business with investment portfolios.
IBDaMann
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So ... no specific examples, just fabricated generalities. Got it.
Into the Night
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Geology is not a lie.
Into the Night
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Easy. The currency becomes worthless.
Into the Night
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Easy. You measure by the length of drill you are sticking in the hole, just like usual.
On the ground, where it soaks in. Big deal.
Sometimes it's better to just send it to a nearby river.
Apparently you still feel that water with some sand in it is some kind of pollutant.
Into the Night
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Fracking causes earthquakes. Walking around cause earthquakes. Driving a car causes earthquakes. You can measure them easily.
Nope. They don't exist.
Water and sand isn't poison or pollution.
No, it isn't. Methane has a molar mass of 16.04. Carbon is not a gas. Carbon dioxide has a molar mass of 44.01 (grams per mole).
Lie. You are making shit up. Argument from randU fallacy.
Denial of chemistry. Denial of mathematics. Denial of instrumentation. Denial of engineering.
Old Trapper
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And they were right as far as the fracking itself is concerned. However, that is not the complete process:
https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/hfstudy/recordisplay.cfm?deid=332990
EPA found scientific evidence that hydraulic fracturing activities can impact drinking water resources under some circumstances. The report identifies certain conditions under which impacts from hydraulic fracturing activities can be more frequent or severe:
Water withdrawals for hydraulic fracturing in times or areas of low water availability, particularly in areas with limited or declining groundwater resources;
Spills during the handling of hydraulic fracturing fluids and chemicals or produced water that result in large volumes or high concentrations of chemicals reaching groundwater resources;
Injection of hydraulic fracturing fluids into wells with inadequate mechanical integrity, allowing gases or liquids to move to groundwater resources;
Injection of hydraulic fracturing fluids directly into groundwater resources;
Discharge of inadequately treated hydraulic fracturing wastewater to surface water; and
Disposal or storage of hydraulic fracturing wastewater in unlined pits resulting in contamination of groundwater resources.
Data gaps and uncertainties limited EPA’s ability to fully assess the potential impacts on drinking water resources locally and nationally. Because of these data gaps and uncertainties, it was not possible to fully characterize the severity of impacts, nor was it possible to calculate or estimate the national frequency of impacts on drinking water resources from activities in the hydraulic fracturing water cycle.
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They had their first snow last week. Forecast is for a wet, and warmer, winter which should bring more snow.
Into the Night
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No, you've just been copying and pasting from liberal sites and fake news. You do not understand even basic economics.
False authority fallacy. US News is not a valid authority on economics, the federal debt, deficit, budget, or the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trapper
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Are some people, and who claim to have an extensive knowledge of economics, really so stupid as to think that the investment is just going to set there, and the corporation will do nothing with it:
https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/oil-companies-renewable-energy/
Into the Night
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Batteries are not a source of power. They are a storage mechanism. They are also known as ballast. They store energy generated from something else. Batteries also require some kind of electrolyte (usually something nasty and corrosive) and two dissimilar metals to function. Eventually, batteries fail and must be discarded.
Among the best batteries for recycling is the good old lead acid battery. You dump out the sulfuric acid solution, break apart the case, toss the lead plates into the furnace (the lead sulfate salts are impurities that rise to the top and are skimmed away and discarded), crunch up the battery box into plastic pellets, then make a new case from the pellets, install the new lead plates and lead oxide coating, fill with a fresh solution of sulfuric acid, and charge. A new battery, ready for another five to seven years of service.
Lithium cells are too expensive to recycle. It's easier just to throw them away into a landfill.
Making a windmill requires the use of oil products. Plastics are everywhere, including the blades oftentimes. They do not produce power in high winds or no wind conditions. High winds require shutting down the windmill by feathering the blades to protect the machine. No wind means no power. These are typically mounted in open country, where there are lots of mice, and lots of hawks hunting them. The hawks feel the air coming off of one of these things and use it to soar while hunting. Occasionally, one gets too close to the rotating blade. The windmill looks slow, but the blade tip is moving at quite a lick. One strike kills the hawk.
Not particularly. Rodents like to live under the panels and occasionally fry themselves by chewing on the wiring, but hey...it's just a mouse or rat. The panels themselves are made like any chip, just a very large one. It's basically a diode exposed to the Sun.
Solar panels are expensive, and require protection from the elements, including wind, rain, snow, debris, and of course the critters. Wind sandblasts the elements, reducing their effectiveness. Rain causes mold on the panels, reducing their effectiveness. Snow can physically damage the elements just by sheer weight and by what are called ice dams if the elements are mounted on a roof. Debris from wind, leaves, fir needles, bird droppings, all need to be removed since they reduce the effectiveness of the panels.
The panels are even damaged by exposure to sunlight. Eventually, they break down, and the panel needs to be replaced.
Solar power does not work at night. It's effectiveness is less during cloudy days, so desert areas are favored for them, but this leave them exposed to sandblasting of the panels by desert winds.
Both sources of energy are intermittent. They require ballasting to be practical at all. This can be done by batteries, by pumping water into a reservoir and using the fall of gravity to generate hydroelectric power, or some other scheme. Any form of ballasting adds to the cost of the system, a lot of cost.
Both forms of energy are piddle power. By comparison, a single oil burning power plant can produce more power than an entire State filled with wind generators and solar farms.
Wind generators actually find their best use in remote areas for pumping water for irrigation. This need is also intermittent, and this use is a practical one. Typically these are smaller units, dotting a field on a farm or ranch.
Any form of power generation can run an economy. The difference is the size of the economy it can run. You essentially have it right. Energy markets are just that...a market. People themselves decide what energy source is best for their needs for a particular situation. Like any market, price is determined by supply and demand. What you are buying is watts. The cheapest way to produce the same watts is what people will buy. Mobile power plants, such as found in cars and trucks, railroads, ships, and aircraft, have their own special needs. Typically the best solution for these is a hydrocarbon based fuel, either diesel oil, kerosene, or gasoline. Some lighter trucks and cars can be made to run on natural gas.
The Church of Green has an unnatural fear of hydrocarbons. They really are a great source of fuel, are renewable fuels, and produce only water and carbon dioxide gas when burned properly. Both are benign materials. Both are required for life on Earth. None of them have the capability to warm the Earth. The Church of Global Warming denies science when they deny this, of course. They deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
Any unattended fueling station can be vandalized. That's why there's usually an attendant on duty.
Electric cars themselves are expensive. They do have certain advantages over gasoline or diesel powered cars. They also have some pretty important disadvantages.
These cars typically have individual traction motors for each wheel. It's basically an all wheel drive car that is computer controlled for which wheel gets power, and this makes the electric car an excellent snow and ice vehicle. Their clearance is typically low, however, making them unsuitable for off road use. The battery is essentially part of the frame of the vehicle, giving them a low center of gravity. This improves handling.
The big disadvantage with electric cars, besides their cost, is the length of time it takes to refuel them. Charging stations can only put out so much current so fast, and to fully charge the vehicle takes hours. Gasoline cars, on the other hand, can refuel in a few minutes. This makes the gasoline and diesel vehicles much more practical for cross country work. Electric cars are great for commuting, but they are lousy for cross country driving. They have the same range as a typical gasoline car on a single full charge, but the time it takes to recharge them requires far more overnight stops on the same trip.
The long recharging time also presents another problem. As opposed to a gasoline car taking only a few minutes refueling, then clearing the bay for the next car, an electric car requires that refueling bay for hours at a time. It's not available for the next electric car in any practical time interval.
The other problem with the electric car is that is just transfers the actual power generation to a static power station, typically burning natural gas, coal, or oil to produce it's power. I call electric cars a coal fired car for this reason.
The market decides. You are absolutely correct on that. Believers in the Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming want to dictate markets using government authority. This is called 'fascism'.
Into the Night
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You can cause earthquakes by pumping water into the ground. You can cause them by just walking around. They can even be measured. If you'll recall the Michelson-Morley experiment, this was actually one of their biggest problems to overcome. The device is also a very sensitive seismometer. It could sense people walking on the sidewalk outside the building. That's why they had to mount the thing on a granite slab floating in a pool of mercury.
The University of Washington seismometer network measures activity in the Seattle area. A football game produced this reading once, just from the fans cheering their team in the game.
https://www.washington.edu/news/blog/seahawks-and-fans-save-best-for-last-on-the-seismograph/
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Obama said he'd close GITMO and get us out of Afghanistan, Trump said the 15 cases would soon be zero.
Trump is batting .500 on broken campaign promises.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Obama batted .230 on broken campaign promises
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true
No doubt Biden will be somewhere between 25-50% on his.
Into the Night
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Guess LV 426 never heard of groundwater recharge either... It isn't known to cause earthquakes either...
A nice diagram showing a groundwater well. These shallow wells are popular, since they are cheaper to dig.
Deeper wells go into an aquifer, which is recharged in much the same way, but are located beneath the bedrock.
Not shown here, but it is an important factor being ignored by LV246; the sand and soil filter the runoff water. A nearby septic system, so long as it's 100 ft from a well, is perfectly okay. The soil, sand, and bacteria in that soil and sand will make that water quite potable by the time it gets anywhere near the well.
This is why you can discharge sewage into a river, but some distance downstream, it's perfectly potable water again. The turbulence, sand, gravel, natural bacteria in the water, and movement of the water over these purifies the water again. Some sewage treatment plants have what is called 'tertiary treatment'. This is often a sand bed that the water is run over. These plants can discharge potable water when they are through with it. Yes...a sewage plant. You read right.
It's amazing what a bit of sand, soil, and bacteria can do!
Into the Night
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Fracking is the hydraulic method of drilling a well, using water typically, oftentimes with sand mixed in (about 10%).