Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

People made the same sorts of "absolutes" arguments about the size of computer chips and processors.

None of us have any idea what the science of the future on this topic will be like. They might find radical new ways of harnessing and storing both wind & solar. Things that even a top scientist in the field today might not even be able to imagine.

That's really the only thing history has taught us in this area. When a computer was filling 2 rooms, many would have laughed if someone said that they'd be in every home someday, and that everyone would also walk around with one in their pocket.

Wind & solar are very likely a big part of our energy future. Those who think fossil fuels will last for more then a few more decades with increase population and rates of consumption are the true science deniers.


There is no Moore's Law in engineering, the scientifically illiterate just cannot understand that.

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In academia and education, things have moved steadily Left to where Conservative voices on the Right are almost non-existent. That's where this starts. When our so-called educators can't educate because they are technical and scientific illiterates, there's a problem. When our educators have no grasp of history and world events there's a problem. You have the dumb teaching the kids to be dumber.

All you have to do to see this is look at current textbooks used in K-12 education. They are the most mediocre claptrap imaginable. It's like reading a comic book almost.

Bingo. K-12 isn't teaching math very well either. Most don't get much beyond simple algebra. These classes are also taught without application, making math classes among the most boring classes these kids take. I actually got one instructor to believe in the Pythagorean Sucker theorem (a=b+c instead of a^2=b^2+c^2). An electronics instructor was actually teaching that electrons flowed from + to -. He couldn't explain how a vacuum tube worked.

In college it's not much better. I had to correct the instructor's test answer sheets for the math he was teaching. He couldn't get his head wrapped around trigonometry and he was sloppy teaching algebra.

Almost none of these schools teach philosophy. They teach a smattering of paradoxes and call that 'philosophy'. Thus, people do not know how to present an argument for themselves. They are stuck with copy and pasting arguments from others from random web sites as a 'proof'. Logic is another one that is barely touch (and usually incorrectly) by schools today. It is why so many fall into a pattern of paradoxes and fallacies.

History as taught by these schools is horrible. They confuse religion with history constantly and make shit up while denying other events.

Science is really bad. Few schools even know what science is. They even teach that tomatoes and carrots are vegetables. Their knowledge of electronics, chemistry, and mechanics is dismal. Quantum mechanics is a mysterious word they have no clue of, nor to they know the history of any important theory of science and how they've come about. They cannot describe how a theory was initially tested. They constantly promote religion as 'science'.

A comic book? No. A propaganda center. The result is an illiterate population that can barely read, can't balance their checkbooks properly or even run a cash register without extra training (heaven help them if the power goes out and they have to do it by hand!), believe in religions like the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green, embrace the Church of Karl Marx, and happily ignore and deny the Constitution of the United States, one of the most misquoted documents in this country.
 
And huge computers will never have any practical personal use, or be able to be used as handhelds.

I remember this belief running around. Your average smart phone has more computing power than these big behemoths now. Something small enough to lose under the seat cushion.
And memory? Small MicroSD chits are small enough to accidentally get caught in a vacuum cleaner, yet contain 250 times the memory of an entire mainframe computer.
 
By then 4th gen. new, ammonia, hydrogen and fusion will have taken over.

Ammonia has the same BTU as always. It is also dangerous to handle. That won't work.
Hydrogen has the same BTU as always. It will also require high pressure tanks to be a practical fuel source in cars (dangerous!).
Controlled fusion might happen, but since this reaction is effectively creating a small star, containing that thing and putting it in a bottle of some kind so you can extract power from it and get fuel into it is not exactly an easy task. It probably will never be a practical mobile power supply for things like cars and trucks due to the requirements of a containment system.

Time does not change any of this.
 
I have a strange feeling that you guys don't like wind & solar simply because you see them as "lefty" alternatives...

No, it's because it's piddle power. It's expensive. Most people aren't buying it. You can't dictate energy markets. People are generally buying natural gas, oil, and coal. They're cheap and powerful sources of energy.
 
No, I don't like what doesn't work. The "science" (since you and others are using that line right now about COVID as a support for Biden) tells us that solar and wind are horribly inefficient means to make electricity and that they should be rejected.

No. They should not be rejected. If people want to buy them, let them buy them. Dictating energy markets is fascism.

Right now, people want to buy and use coal, oil, and natural gas. Some want solar power or wind power. Let 'em buy it if they want to. Forcing people like me to pay for their energy is fascism.
 
People made the same sorts of "absolutes" arguments about the size of computer chips and processors.
Engineering is not science. Redefinition fallacy.
None of us have any idea what the science of the future on this topic will be like.
There is no science on wind and solar power. You are conflating engineering with science again. The laws of thermodynamics do not change. If a theory of science 'changes', it is falsified. It is utterly gone.
They might find radical new ways of harnessing and storing both wind & solar.
You can't create energy out of nothing. Wind and solar power have limits on the available wattage they can produce. You can't change that. That would be denying the laws of themodynamics and the science of mechanics.
Things that even a top scientist in the field today might not even be able to imagine.
Science is not a scientist. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
That's really the only thing history has taught us in this area.
You are denying history. You are also conflating engineering with science.
When a computer was filling 2 rooms, many would have laughed if someone said that they'd be in every home someday, and that everyone would also walk around with one in their pocket.
Engineering is not science.
Wind & solar are very likely a big part of our energy future.
Nope. Not enough power density. You can't just ignore the laws of thermodynamics and mechanics.
Those who think fossil fuels
There is no such thing. Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn. I assume you mean oil and natural gas.
will last for more then a few more decades with increase population and rates of consumption are the true science deniers.
Both oil and natural gas are renewable fuels. See the Fischer-Tropsche process. This chemical reaction can run naturally underground. The Earth is constantly making oil and natural gas...withing hours, not millennia. Neither oil nor natural gas is a fossil.

Coal, oil, and natural gas are all very cheap right now. That means there is plenty of it. We are practically awash in oil. You idiots have been saying we will run out of oil for almost a century now.

Denial of science. Denial of chemistry. Conflation of engineering and science. Denial of history. Conflation of science with scientist.
 
Don't you keep up with the news? All of those are specific examples of cases in which the courts ruled against Trump's action.

Here, I'll start your work for you:

Supreme Court Rules For DREAMers, Against Trump

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration

Try reading a newspaper.

The Supreme Court exceeded their authority in this ruling. They do not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.
 
Attention people in Texas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Ohio: Pedo Joe Biden wants to take your jobs and livelihoods


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You have no idea what you are talking about. It's that simple. You cannot change the watt density of sunlight. You cannot change the amount of energy in the wind. Those are absolutes. They always have been, always will be.

Do you even know how a photovoltaic cell works?

Here's a simplistic diagram

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It is basically a photo-electric diode

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As sunlight enters, it causes a difference in potential between the P and N material layers in the cell. That causes, in turn, electrical current to flow in proportion to the energy absorbed and the difference in electrical potential between the elements used to make up the two layers. Just like in a battery, this difference is determined by the elements used. The most voltage you can produce is about 2 VDC. A periodic table shows you that.

Simplified for your viewing:

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The amperage out is directly proportional to the size of the cell and the amount of sunlight hitting it. The later is a fixed value, so the only thing you can do is increase cell size. But since you need more than 2 VDC, you have to limit cell size and use more cells. There's a trade off there.

NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS, OR THE NEXT 500 YEARS!

So, unless you invent a completely new way of converting sunlight to electrical energy you are stuck with the above. Even if you do, you are still limited to the watt density of sunlight as to how much power you get out of the conversion.

Wind power is no different.

Absolutely correct. Diodes and transistors are naturally photoreactive, which is why they are generally put inside opaque cases (except where you WANT the effect, such as for solar cells, video camera pixel arrays, etc.).
 
You're talking about current technologies.

No. He is talking about chemistry and electronics. You cannot change the properties of elements. They are what they are.
The diode is the simplest of semiconductor junctions. You cannot get any simpler than the diode.

Light is not electricity. It is an electromagnetic wave (or particle, depending on how you look at it). It only contains so much energy per given surface area when it strikes a surface. You cannot change that.
Solar cells are as efficient as you can get. Plants are nowhere near as efficient, since they use only a narrow spectrum of sunlight and convert that to chemical energy instead.

Obviously, you don't know how to read a periodic table of the elements. You completely ignored what T.A. Gardner was trying to show you.

Denial of electronics. Denial of chemistry. Denial of quantum mechanics.
 
Biden does not believe that. He wants us to put our emphasis on the energies of the future.
No he wants to waste money on wind and solar that isn't the future. Nuclear is he doesn't want to do a damned thing for that.
He was talking about electric cars and solar and wind. They will replace fossil fuels when they are ready, It would be nice if they replaced fossil poison fuels by 2035.
No they won't, further they aren't green or renewable energy. The investment to production ratio is extremely low. Unlike nuclear that could replace coal and natgas.

Our government shouldn't be wasting money on moronic hippy pipedreams.
That is a good target. But there are no penalties for missing or getting it earlier.
People who know nothing about energy shouldn't be in charge of it.
Why is trying to end gas and oil a bad thing?
It isn't. You can do it with nuclear. Wasting money on party favors like wind and solar is stupid.
They are poisons and major pollutants that make poison pits where ever they are extracted.
Where do you think they get the materials to make windmills and solar power station? It's those exact same pits plus the refining of metals, alloys, and plastics that require fossil fuels.

Why don't you live like a cave man instead of being so dependant on fossil fuels. Do you know how much petroleum went into producing whatever you are typing on?
 
30 years ago, did you think people would be able to walk around with pocket-sized devices that could connect them to everything in the world and allow them to communicate with anyone?

Do you know how much petroleum and coal went into creating that pocket sized device? Removing fossil fuels will end that.
 
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There is no Moore's Law in engineering, the scientifically illiterate just cannot understand that.
Actually, there is. Moore's law is about the density of transistors you can pack per square (pick a unit) in integrated circuits. This is engineering. Nothing but. Moore's law doesn't apply to science, which is what this twit is trying to do.
While an entertaining looking map, it's still got a lot of flaws, not the least of which is that you can only pack wind turbines to a certain density. Otherwise, one wind generator blocks usable wind for the next. There are also line losses over such large areas. The relative size vs nuclear is about right. A single nuke can produce far more power than an entire State filled with wind turbines.

Much of our energy generation is for mobile use (cars, trucks, ships, aircraft, etc). Wind farms don't work for these. Solar doesn't work for these on a practical scale (yes, they've built solar powered cars and even aircraft, but they have no payload capability, they can barely handle the vehicle's weight and drag).

Nuclear power of course is too heavy. The containment is the problem. A wreck could also easily expose the public and first responders to nuclear radiation.

The basic thing being missed here is this:
Liberals are trying to dictate energy markets. They want fascism. The energy market is just that...a market. The people will choose what energy sources they want to buy and for what purpose. Government forcing a dictat on energy markets is fascism. It is a form of socialism. It is theft of wealth.

The Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming stem from the Church of Karl Marx.
 
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