Frustrations of Being a Jewish Republican

Adam Weinberg

Goldwater Republican
The previous thread related to whether the GOP was returning to its roots prompted me to write this. A little long, I admit, but perhaps it will go somewhere productive.

We all mostly know this, but I want to reiterate and offer for discussion the point that the Republican Party at this time does not have a sustainable coalition for the next generation. For some people in this community, that is certainly all well and good because it suggests an easy road to victory for the Democratic Party and perhaps a new permanent majority in the years to come.

As I've said before, I believe the left's approach on economic issues within their political leadership prevents open and honest discussion on the proper roles and limitations of what government can and should do, and what they will be able to reasonably accomplish without unintended consequences.

They are just as ready to pull the patriotism and humanity out from under anyone who may disagree with them as the previous administration was with critics of foreign policy and incursions on civil liberties.

The new attacks of "capitalism failed" and "you want to do nothing" are no different than "the world changed after 9/11" and "you want the terrorists to win". They are completely untrue statements but sufficient to distract the public for a short while from asking the important questions in large enough numbers that they may slow the growth of special-interest run government.

So, for those who do think economy in government must once against become a priority, and that the political advantage taken from the economic crisis could become a threat to our constitutional liberties as easily as the political advantage taken from 9/11, this imbalance in the two party system is of great concern.

Don't get me wrong, I think almost all of us are glad that the scum got scrubbed out in November. It's a testament to the strength of our system that inevitably everyone's days in power are numbered. But given that this government is inaugurated even sooner in crisis than the last, it won't be long before we are all fatigued again.

That's why I think the Republican Party had better hurry up and get over its outdated understanding of who they can stand to represent and what this country is about in the 21st century.

As I said not too long ago, I do think John Murtha told the truth in the most recent election, offensive as it may be to do that in this day and age. I also think Howard Dean told the truth when he said the Republican Party is pretty much a white, Christian party. And that's what the Republican Party thinks of itself as well, whether they would articulate it or not to the rest of the public.

Forget about the new RNC Chairman. Historic as it may be, it really doesn't address a core problem for the party. The GOP won't have problems attracting candidates and leaders of color and different creeds and lifestyles in the future. That will be a given because it is a major party and different leaders will become prominent in different states with different demographics.

The real question will be whether the GOP will have the proper demeanor to attract grassroots leaders and activists from diverse backgrounds, who can build relationships with voters in those communities.

Without it, it is doubtful the party can survive in the future as anything but a permanent minority with limited mandates if it ever does have major election wins again.

I found it very confusing that there was so much talk in the last election of whether Jewish voters would defect from Obama and choose McCain instead. Republicans hoped sincerely they had a point of attack by which to win Florida all legitimate-like.

The truth is, Jewish voters do not vote solely on Israel (though it certainly influences them). If my anecdotal observations can amount to anything, I would say the general discomfort of some older Jewish voters with Obama had far less to do with Israel than it did the color of his skin.

As we saw, the GOP was foolish to think it had even a slight opportunity with the Jewish vote, even if some old racist bubbies and zaidies didn't vote for Obama. Even in that event, what is the permanent gain for their mission?

Being a Jewish voter who votes Republican, in the vast majority of cases, is not an act of conscience for conservative values- it's a protest vote. Will these same people support and see eye to eye with your policies when you enter office, or will they return to their roots soon thereafter?

Being an actual Jewish Republican though, as I can attest to, is an act of extreme willpower and requires a great deal of tolerance, not only for the misunderstandings of other Jews, but for the misunderstandings of the GOP. The Republicans in many corners lack the grace to temper their white Christian trappings for those who make sacrifices to play politics with white Christian people.

Long story short- they don't know nothin' when it comes to Jews, much less anybody else.

The GOP itself has a deficit of social tolerance that is preventing it from growing, and in fact, is shrinking the party as the population diversifies.

The Republican Party in its current state relies too greatly on resentment, rather than admiration and inspiration, to motivate its voters. More voters are looking for solutions to their own problems in their community than worrying day and night about the sins and failings of other communities. Resentment closes doors and prevents solutions from being found. It creates exclusivity and reduces the network of people in which you can interface.

If my ethno-religious group is a desired voting bloc, then what about the rest of the country?
Why then would they not work for the Muslim vote? Or the gay vote? Or even more broadly speaking, the youth vote, which is very clearly slanted to the Democrats?

There are certainly more gays in the United States than Jews. And there are nearly as many Muslims as Jews. As well, there are just as many people who do not believe, as indicated by the new President's inaugural address, as there are Jews in the United States.

Yet consistently we see indicators from the GOP that it considers all of these groups in some way to be antithetical to their established values of what constitutes a proper society, no matter how closely their political and economic values could potentially be in alignment, and no matter how long these groups have existed in the fabric of our nation.
 
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Although I complain about this constantly, the biggest group of Democrats isn't liberals. It's moderates. Moderates in the GOP, on the other hand, are few and far between (there are more Democratic liberals the GOP moderates). I think you'd fit in better over here. The Democrats aren't an organized political party.
 
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Being an actual Jewish Republican though, as I can attest to, is an act of extreme willpower and requires a great deal of tolerance, not only for the misunderstandings of other Jews, but for the misunderstandings of the GOP. The Republicans in many corners lack the grace to temper their white Christian trappings for those who make sacrifices to play politics with white Christian people.

White christian trappings??

What is the Jewish Teaching on homesexuality? Fucking kike ass bitch.
 
I was only able to see the previous postings because I am not always logged into the website so that my ignore settings are on.

And they really don't deserve a response in themselves, but since other people may be curious, let me reply briefly.

The Old Testament's view of homosexuality is irrelevant to this discussion.

I certainly do not practice Orthodox Judaism any more than I follow Orthodox Libertarianism. It amazes me that since you have spent so much time reading about Jewish tradition and history that you understand so little about Jewish people.

I am secular and tolerant in my personal opinion on this subject, and though there may be disagreement among others in their personal opinions, I think the government should be at least tolerant of the diverse wishes of others.

And a political party that cannot do this and promise at least that much will not be considered consistent with the next generation in this country.

I'm not trying in my political activism to make American government reflect solely Jewish values. I hope my upbringing has a good influence on what little I can do to help American and Constitutional values come back into practice.

And Republicans would be wise to respond to the country as it is rather than trying to pretend their current core group is the only permanent and viable fixture for American society.
 
Thanks you Oh Immaculate Jew, special Tribesmen of God's Favorited, bestowed with the heavy blessed duty of being a perpetual weisenheimer....

Now we know what to think. Thanks.


NOT!
 
I was only able to see the previous postings because I am not always logged into the website so that my ignore settings are on.

And they really don't deserve a response in themselves, but since other people may be curious, let me reply briefly.

The Old Testament's view of homosexuality is irrelevant to this discussion.

I certainly do not practice Orthodox Judaism any more than I follow Orthodox Libertarianism. It amazes me that since you have spent so much time reading about Jewish tradition and history that you understand so little about Jewish people.

I am secular and tolerant in my personal opinion on this subject, and though there may be disagreement among others in their personal opinions, I think the government should be at least tolerant of the diverse wishes of others.

And a political party that cannot do this and promise at least that much will not be considered consistent with the next generation in this country.

I'm not trying in my political activism to make American government reflect solely Jewish values. I hope my upbringing has a good influence on what little I can do to help American and Constitutional values come back into practice.

And Republicans would be wise to respond to the country as it is rather than trying to pretend their current core group is the only permanent and viable fixture for American society.

Adam;

Sounds to me like you're having a political identity crises?

You know Water is essentially right. If you're looking at the Left-Right political paradigm, the Democrats are the moderate/centrist party.

You're pointing out that the Republicans need to reform is stating the obvious. Question is, how they going to do that? Those on the far right on the political spectrum, authoritarian white conservative christian demographic represent about 20% of the voting public. How will the Republicans reform without alienating the Dixies, Southernmans, Webbways, Bravos and Yurts of this country?
 
Adam;

Sounds to me like you're having a political identity crises?

You know Water is essentially right. If you're looking at the Left-Right political paradigm, the Democrats are the moderate/centrist party.

You're pointing out that the Republicans need to reform is stating the obvious. Question is, how they going to do that? Those on the far right on the political spectrum, authoritarian white conservative christian demographic represent about 20% of the voting public. How will the Republicans reform without alienating the Dixies, Southernmans, Webbways, Bravos and Yurts of this country?

Thank you for not including me in that list.

But, I just don't understand how you and WM can say that the Democrats are the party of moderates. The Democrats are just as extreme as today's Republicans. They did not win this last election because they, or President Obama were moderate. They won it because George Bush was a total screw up and the fact that Republicans (I'm guilty as charged) put him in the White House.

Moderation is a trait that politicians only put up with rather than relish.

If you are a moderate, they will gladly take your vote, but they are not going to woo you because they know that today, you might vote for them, tomorrow you may very well vote against them.

Immie
 
Thank you for not including me in that list.

But, I just don't understand how you and WM can say that the Democrats are the party of moderates. The Democrats are just as extreme as today's Republicans. They did not win this last election because they, or President Obama were moderate. They won it because George Bush was a total screw up and the fact that Republicans (I'm guilty as charged) put him in the White House.

Moderation is a trait that politicians only put up with rather than relish.

If you are a moderate, they will gladly take your vote, but they are not going to woo you because they know that today, you might vote for them, tomorrow you may very well vote against them.

Immie

Yea moderates to tend to get beat up on in politics. They tend to be viewed as wishy washy fence stradlers trying to placate all sides but never actually taking a stand on anything. Who was it that said the only thing you find in the middle of the road is a dead skunk and a moderate?

The question then is which party is more guilty of extremism? Republicans have to bite the bullet there. The immoral war in Iraq. Regressive economic policies. Hostile antipathy towards governance, Anti-intellectualism, Racism. No Immie, you cannot argue that the present Democratic party is as guilty of extremism as the Republicans are. That just won't hold water. Not with a person who left the Republican party after 20+ years due to its extremist leaders and policies.

Hell even the fact that traditional conservatives as your self are regretting your association with the reactionary right wing of the party is a very strong sign of just how far from the center the the Republican party has gone.
 
Adam;

Sounds to me like you're having a political identity crises?

You know Water is essentially right. If you're looking at the Left-Right political paradigm, the Democrats are the moderate/centrist party.

You're pointing out that the Republicans need to reform is stating the obvious. Question is, how they going to do that? Those on the far right on the political spectrum, authoritarian white conservative christian demographic represent about 20% of the voting public. How will the Republicans reform without alienating the Dixies, Southernmans, Webbways, Bravos and Yurts of this country?

Most Democrats may be centrist, but their leadership is certainly not.

Surveys have revealed that 35% of Americans consider themselves to be conservative. Less than 20% are liberal, while the remainder are moderate/centrist. The GOP will have no problem at all returning to power, provided they return to their classical conservative roots.

Republicans don't win by being "moderate." Republicans win when they campaign on a classical conservative platform, and they win by a landslide. You admitted to voting for Ronald Reagan in '80 and '84 even though you are a centrist. You are demonstrating my point.
 
Most Democrats may be centrist, but their leadership is certainly not.

Surveys have revealed that 35% of Americans consider themselves to be conservative. Less than 20% are liberal, while the remainder are moderate/centrist. The GOP will have no problem at all returning to power, provided they return to their classical conservative roots.

Republicans don't win by being "moderate." Republicans win when they campaign on a classical conservative platform, and they win by a landslide. You admitted to voting for Ronald Reagan in '80 and '84 even though you are a centrist. You are demonstrating my point
.

Yes I remember fondly Goldwater's landslide victory after a long campaign of just that.
 
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