SmarterthanYou
rebel
The big test, and what i'm going to assume will be large failure, is what happens to the people who made wise decisions and did not buy houses, yet now have trouble making rent payments because of the economy.
Obama's Speech
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The big test, and what i'm going to assume will be large failure, is what happens to the people who made wise decisions and did not buy houses, yet now have trouble making rent payments because of the economy.
Immanuel
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Immanuel
Junior Member
No, Wall Street would be WS, learn what the shift key is for.
Your post insinuated cheaters. I wouldn't consider a banker playing the market to be a cheater or a thief for that matter... unless of course he was guilty of insider trading.
Immie
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you know whats funny? you calling NASCAR ignorant, without knowing a damned thing about it.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
NASCAR is ignorant.
Norman Paperman
The Wino
Optimist are you Topper?
I'd say it's a tad early to say he'll get eight, though I would not be surprisedif he did.
Norman Paperman
The Wino
I have no doubt that the economy will eventually turn around. My question is, will it be because of, or in spite of, the bills Obama signs into law?
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Because of, just the same as Bushes failure was a failure of conservatism.
The same people who had no idea that the recession was coming, that (like Frank) cheered on the powerhouse FM & FM and how strong they were just a manner of weeks before they utterly failed, these are the people who suddenly "know" what to do about it.
The reality is they have no idea. They are just throwing everything they can think at it and hoping something works.
The speech was good because it finally gave the appearance of somebody that wasn't trying to plug ninety holes with two arms and panicking because he couldn't get it done. It was the first time he seemed to understand that a sense of panic isn't what we need from the President.
The reality is they have no idea. They are just throwing everything they can think at it and hoping something works.
The speech was good because it finally gave the appearance of somebody that wasn't trying to plug ninety holes with two arms and panicking because he couldn't get it done. It was the first time he seemed to understand that a sense of panic isn't what we need from the President.
Norman Paperman
The Wino
A little to late for that, IMO. He's been running around like Chicken Little yelling "THE SKY IS FALLING!" for two years, it only got louder when he won and took office, and now he wants us to believe he didn't mean it? "Psych! Just kidding! No need to panic, I'm not." Uh-huh.
Of all the adjectives I can think to describe Obama since January, "panicky" is one of the last.
His most dire statements about the economy were all along the lines of, "if we don't pass this package, it could be truly disastrous." Since the package passed, wouldn't he therefore feel better about the prospects?
His most dire statements about the economy were all along the lines of, "if we don't pass this package, it could be truly disastrous." Since the package passed, wouldn't he therefore feel better about the prospects?
It was chock full of fear mongering rhetoric and he was well on his way to earning the name of President Doom. It was reminiscent of "Nuclear Cloud" speeches by a more denigrated President.
I certainly wouldn't characterize it in that kind of extreme way, but I realize we differ. But again - any "doom" talk I heard was tied into the stimulus. It was never "we could continue to crash, anway." It was always, "we need to do this, or the consequences could be dire." And I didn't exactly hear anything that I would characterize as "panic."
Since the stimulus passed, and he believed in it, it's only logical that his outlook would be more positive w/ its passage. Mine certainly is.
Nah, the doom talk was always, "If we don't do this right nownownownownownow, we'll fall into the abyss and be swallowed by the Unicorns who will think we are rainbows." It was created to get people to vote for something they hadn't carefully considered or given their constituents a chance to read.
And it didn't get more positive, until this speech. Even after the passage.
Anyway, it was the same type of doitnownownow that got us into Iraq, IMO. Fear mongering speeches are not beneficial to the citizens in any regular manner, shape, or form.
Silly.
I believed urgency was important, as did plenty of economists. I know you disagreed w/ that. We'll never know who was right on that, but it's goofy to portray everything through a filter of such certainty that your position is right, and that deep down, everyone pushing the package did it based on deception, and not because they believed time was of the essence.
And many believed Bush's urgency to be important, others called it fear mongering.
I think that waiting for another week would not have changed very much at all, other than people may have been educated on the bill before it was voted on and Congress might have heard from a constituent or two. I think that better bills come from a more open dialogue, not quick votes against the (voted on) promise to allow 48 hours (too short but better than nothing) for constituents to read it before it was voted on.
And I prefer to assume my opinions are right until proven otherwise. It gets confusing otherwise.