Time To Recognize Who We Are; Reunite America

PoliTalker said:
Hello NiftyNiblick,



I don't think there's anything easy about separating the red and blue States.

That would take agreement from both sides.

You can't get the two sides to agree on anything.
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You're right.
You can't get the two side to agree on anything.
Which to me is the very argument for splitting them apart.

America is on the precipice of being one of the most miserable places in the world to live because Americans hate one another.
Don't tell me that they don't. I don't live in a vacuum. I can see, hear, smell, and touch the hate.
We're going to see this nation up in flames in a way that makes the sixties race riots look like cub scout meetings.
I'm not sure that that's a bad thing.
Maybe it will wake the "true believers" up to what needs to be done.
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,

NiftyNiblick said:
You're right.
You can't get the two side to agree on anything.
Which to me is the very argument for splitting them apart.

America is on the precipice of being one of the most miserable places in the world to live because Americans hate one another.
Don't tell me that they don't. I don't live in a vacuum. I can see, hear, smell, and touch the hate.
We're going to see this nation up in flames in a way that makes the sixties race riots look like cub scout meetings.
I'm not sure that that's a bad thing.
Maybe it will wake the "true believers" up to what needs to be done.
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I don't think it's miserable living in America.

I love my life. I live in America and have a life I can love living.

Sure, I see the hatred. I decry it. I am not a part of that. I personally don't hate anyone. I don't think it's healthy to harbor hatred.

It is bothersome that there is so much hatred. I know we would have a better country if we could reduce the amount of hatred. I encourage others to avoid hatred, find their love for America. Appreciation of others.

The only thing about hatred that bothers me is how hatred in others is hurting my country.

I am able to completely be rid of it in my own space. It doesn't affect me personally in my own personal life.

I have a great life. I purposely created my own life that I love so that I could enjoy the time I get to be alive.

I guess I view that as an atheist thing. I don't have any spiritual leadership nor example, so I have create my own.

I am completely free to decide how I want to conduct my life, and my priorities are that enjoyment of life is important to me.

So I have purposely created a life that I enjoy. It makes sense. It comes from logic.

I just look at other people who are tormented by hatred and I think it's too bad they can't enjoy life as much as I do.

I struggle to understand why people become so obsessed with others that they can't just take care of their own thing.

Live and let live. That's where I'm coming from.

I wish the whole country could have a similar approach.

If we had more peaceful people we would have less war.

If everybody on the planet was devoted to peace there would be war.

That would be cool.
 
In the 1960s, I went to college with flower-child hippies who thought peaceful thoughts just like my friend PoliTalker thinks.
Also there in school were more forceful activists who were willing to burn things down to facilitate change.

Neither group, although both politically on the left, accomplished much, and America remained the socially regressive disgrace that it is today.
It's time for Round Two.
 
In the 1960s, I went to college with flower-child hippies who thought peaceful thoughts just like my friend PoliTalker thinks.
Also there in school were more forceful activists who were willing to burn things down to facilitate change.

Neither group, although both politically on the left, accomplished much, and America remained the socially regressive disgrace that it is today.
It's time for Round Two.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
In the 1960s, I went to college with flower-child hippies who thought peaceful thoughts just like my friend PoliTalker thinks.
Also there in school were more forceful activists who were willing to burn things down to facilitate change.

Neither group, although both politically on the left, accomplished much, and America remained the socially regressive disgrace that it is today.
It's time for Round Two.
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Peace and Love are impotent without force. Force is not violence.

But we cannot pretend Trump and his supporters want a democracy, they do not.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Bill,



OK, we are talking about different things. We are each correct in the realms we are considering.

You're saying that what we say and do here at JPP doesn't matter or change anything.

I am looking at it in the macroscopic sense, looking at not just what we say here at JPP, but what we say and do as Americans in the world.

So, sure. Yeah. I agree. There is not much point in trying to change views here at JPP.

But there is a point to speaking up about how we, as Americans, see things. We are a self-governing nation. We have to talk about what's going on in order to manage our government.

One of the biggest problems for our system is actually apathy. Simply not too few citizens taking the initiative to manage our country. It would be best if everyone did it. If nobody did it, if nobody even bothered to vote, the country would cease to function. We are not at either extreme, but somewhere along the spectrum from one extreme to the other. The best case for America lies at one end of the extreme, with everyone well informed, engaged and involved, and the worst case is at the opposite end, total apathy, where having our country would not even be possible.

It is helpful to the country to encourage more people to take that initiative, whether it be in person or in an internet chat room.
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ok...

IMHO that is a huge problem & so is accountability~lack there of.....

Each party is hard about forcing accountability on their competitors in the other party, but on their own not so much or not @ all.

Politicians are good w/ apathy & w/ citizens keeping their noses out of their business............
 
NiftyNiblick said:
In the 1960s, I went to college with flower-child hippies who thought peaceful thoughts just like my friend PoliTalker thinks.
Also there in school were more forceful activists who were willing to burn things down to facilitate change.

Neither group, although both politically on the left, accomplished much, and America remained the socially regressive disgrace that it is today.
It's time for Round Two.
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Although I have no idea what specific groups you are referring to, protest & agitation brought an end to a senseless cruel war, I would certainly consider that an accomplishment..........

While I am cynical, I do not believe we are anywhere near revolution or civil war.......

Will you be presenting anything in support of that??
 
votebiden said:
Peace and Love are impotent without force. Force is not violence.

But we cannot pretend Trump and his supporters want a democracy, they do not.
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What they want will matter less pretty soon..........

If Georgia turns to the Dem party, it will matter even less....

Hopefully Biden tries to bring the country together..

That will entail doing something trump never considered doing-toss a bone to those that did not support him.......

That will be part of the package..
 
To rephrase JFK's quote above for 2020...

Let us not seek a Progressive Leftist answer but rather an American answer. Let us not seek to fix blame on a particular portion of our population based on race, gender, or wealth. Let us accept personal responsibility for the future.
 
Bill said:
Although I have no idea what specific groups you are referring to, protest & agitation brought an end to a senseless cruel war, I would certainly consider that an accomplishment..........
While I am cynical, I do not believe we are anywhere near revolution or civil war.......
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well almost ended that meat grinder war. and I apologize to vets, but it looked damn bloody from stateside
 
dukkha said:
well almost ended that meat grinder war. and I apologize to vets, but it looked damn bloody from stateside
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We know how many Americans & allies were killed & maimed for life.. We do not know how many of them were emotionally maimed nor how many Vietnamese were killed but it is estimated to be @ least 2 million ppl :palm:
 
Bill said:
We know how many Americans & allies were killed & maimed for life.. We do not know how many of them were emotionally maimed nor how many Vietnamese were killed but it is estimated to be @ least 2 million ppl :palm:
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funny thing. we are close security partners with Vietnam against China, and increasing trade
 
Fuck Regressive Left calls for unity....they are lying yet again.

They are demanding conformity yet again.

I dont swing that way.
 
Hello Bill,

Bill said:
ok...

IMHO that is a huge problem & so is accountability~lack there of.....

Each party is hard about forcing accountability on their competitors in the other party, but on their own not so much or not @ all.

Politicians are good w/ apathy & w/ citizens keeping their noses out of their business............
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That's the nature of a political party.

The party is a flexible medium which generally reflects the political positions of the members.

But it cannot possibly be aligned with every member.

Members choose to participate if they feel the party best represents their own positions. But they may also have some positions which the party does not represent, and they wish it did. Just as the struggle between parties attempts to tug and pull on one another, there is a similar struggle within parties by different factions attempting to shift the party one direction or another.

Over time, party positions change.

'Accountability'

Members of a party hoping to point out some incongruity within the party are only successful if enough members agree.

It's all an ongoing process which is never complete.
 
Bill said:
Although I have no idea what specific groups you are referring to, protest & agitation brought an end to a senseless cruel war, I would certainly consider that an accomplishment..........

While I am cynical, I do not believe we are anywhere near revolution or civil war.......

Will you be presenting anything in support of that??
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My opinion is more than enough for me.
No amount of flawless logic would convince you, I would guess. Certainly not many who post here.

I don't regard these posts to constitute debate.
I'm too in touch with reality to think that.

I vent my opinions here and don't worry if anybody even reads them, much less responds to them.
This isn't a polling place.
It's just an internet forum.
It's many degrees of separation away from anything useful, other than venting.
So I use it to vent. I offer my wisdom to the universe as best I can with no expectations other than a clear conscience.
I do have that.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Bill,

That's the nature of a political party.

The party is a flexible medium which generally reflects the political positions of the members.

But it cannot possibly be aligned with every member.

Members choose to participate if they feel the party best represents their own positions. But they may also have some positions which the party does not represent, and they wish it did. Just as the struggle between parties attempts to tug and pull on one another, there is a similar struggle within parties by different factions attempting to shift the party one direction or another.

Over time, party positions change.

'Accountability'

Members of a party hoping to point out some incongruity within the party are only successful if enough members agree.

It's all an ongoing process which is never complete.
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The personality of a party is based upon the collective personalities of its members which is why, as you pointed out, it changes over time. Not always for the better. As noted in the Democrat Civil War thread, the Democrats are struggling to decide if they'll become even more extreme or move back toward the center.

The Republicans moved so far right they burned their own house down. Will the Democrats follow suit in 2-3 elections?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
The personality of a party is based upon the collective personalities of its members which is why, as you pointed out, it changes over time. Not always for the better. As noted in the Democrat Civil War thread, the Democrats are struggling to decide if they'll become even more extreme or move back toward the center.

The Republicans moved so far right they burned their own house down. Will the Democrats follow suit in 2-3 elections?
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Well if taking aggressive action on climate change means 'extreme' then I would expect that is where the party is headed. But I wouldn't look for that to progress at a break neck pace because of all the big corporate money flowing in. Corporations don't have children, much less grandchildren. Their interest is making money in the here and now and screw the future.
 
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