Obama's Speech

Well, that was the most liberal SOTU (I know it technically wasn't a SOTU) that I have ever heard. I could not be more thrilled with Obama on domestic policy, and because of this, I am very willing to give him a little leeway and extra time on Afghanistan and Iraq. As long as he doesn't start any new wars, it's good. I love this guy!

And I didn't think he was liberal enough on domestic policy. Boy did he fool me.

But the best part? He has the R's completely bamboozled. They haven't the first clue what to do with this guy. 80 %, check that number again, 80% of Americans loved this guy's speech last night, and that includes what was in it.

What he did to McCain over that helicopter question was a thing of beauty. He's the best natural politician I have ever seen, and he's the best any of us will ever see.

And he's a liberal. You guys have Elmer Jindal.

Eat shit R's!
:)

Jindal, the faith healer and exorcist! HE can exorcise the demons from the government for ya!
 
Jindal, the faith healer and exorcist! HE can exorcise the demons from the government for ya!

What a fall from grace.

One moment you're the star of the show .. the next day you're looking like the dude on Mad Magazine.

Welcome to America motrherfucker.
 
Elmer Jindal .. :) .. classic.

I agree that his liberal side raised its head in his speech, and he delivered it with authority and eloquence.

He is a good looking president and his family is beautiful.

He certainly put the republicans back on their heels in his address.

I'd give him a "B", not an "A" because he said some things that are troubling.

"I won't allow safe havens" is troubling. Does that mean he's going to attack the Swat Valley in Pakistan?

And as I suspected, he's going forward with his emphasis on charter and private schools That's not a liberal idea. His flunky basketball playing friend who he put in charge of Education has a dubious record of favoring charter and private schools and military acadamies over strengthening public schools.

And what he said about healthcare in spite of all the fanfare sounded more like heathcare tweaking than true healthcare reform.

But other than that he was pretty good.

I read today that his budget has more money in it for education than even education advocates had expected.

A good friend of mine today found out that even though she didn't keep COBRA when she lost her job, because she couldn't afford it (633 a month for an individual) she's still eligible for the 65% funding from the stimulus, and by law now has to be given another opportunity to join cobra. She told me that she had been having trouble sleeping, worried she was going to find a lump or something. She told me she didn't want to go to DC for the march on the pentagon. I told her, don't go. I'm not going.

This guy has the heart in the right place, and that means to me, that he doesn't dismiss the lives of brown people in other countries. I am going to give him a chance on IRaq and on Afghanistan. I am developing a growing trust in him and in his motives. It's not a blank check. But I'm going to give him a chance. I'm not going to protest this guy at this point.

For years I called bush fans, bushwhores. If someone called me an Obamawhore today, I'd say "that's right" and I'd follow it with a big smile.

I love the guy, and the only thing I do is hope every single day that he doesn't fuck up in Afghanistan, because i keep thinking of LBJ who was a great man in so many ways, but who killed his presidency, his legacy, and some of his great plans for this country, in Vietnam. And I hope every single day that they don't let fear of nationalizing the banks ruin everything either.

But right now, I want to enjoy these great feelings, and the idea that maybe, in fact, likely, we are standing at the dawn of a true new Progressive era. It's why I hardly post here anymore. I look around once in a while, and shake my head. This guy, and his policies have supermajority support. You come here and you see Libertarians claiming that their view is "the only mainstream position" I couldn't stop laughing over that one. How deluded do you have to be? And of course the usual ex-bushwores, so bitter, so desperate to believe that we'll fall into a depression so they can get back into power. So far out of where the mainstream is today. So over.

And you know what? They earned it. Boy, did they earn it. But we got through it, and now it got us to here. And I'm feeling really good about that right now.
 
Bobby's real name is Piyus Jindal, he was watching the brady bunch as a kid and asked his mom to change his name.
 
If his mother changed his name, then his name is Bobby. Why is it so difficult for people to just call others what they want to be called? I mean people have done it for Barry Santoro for some time now.
 
If his mother changed his name, then his name is Bobby. Why is it so difficult for people to just call others what they want to be called? I mean people have done it for Barry Santoro for some time now.

I have some sympathy with him.

You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to get people to call me "Champion the Wonder Horse".
 
I have some sympathy with him.

You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to get people to call me "Champion the Wonder Horse".
That's only because it's too long, Champ. I still have difficulty getting people to quit confusing me with Dano.
 
Gore was not Bush, as Nader claimed, and neither is Obama. I don't want to say "I told you so," but all of the discussions I have had since his election trying to say nothing more than "let's wait & see how he governs" come back to me very vividly now (looking in your direction, BAC).

This budget is the most progressive action, on this scale, that I have seen in my lifetime. It represents a completely radical shift in our national priorities, to heathcare, education, the environment, energy, working Americans, et al. It is everything Obama talked about in his campaign.

And I believe it will ultimately show that progressive action & fiscal responsibility are not mutually exclusive. When you invest in education, it pays you back. When you put money into updating & reforming healthcare, it pays back. When you invest in alternative technology....well, you get the picture.
 
Gore was not Bush, as Nader claimed, and neither is Obama. I don't want to say "I told you so," but all of the discussions I have had since his election trying to say nothing more than "let's wait & see how he governs" come back to me very vividly now (looking in your direction, BAC).

This budget is the most progressive action, on this scale, that I have seen in my lifetime. It represents a completely radical shift in our national priorities, to heathcare, education, the environment, energy, working Americans, et al. It is everything Obama talked about in his campaign.

And I believe it will ultimately show that progressive action & fiscal responsibility are not mutually exclusive. When you invest in education, it pays you back. When you put money into updating & reforming healthcare, it pays back. When you invest in alternative technology....well, you get the picture.

Im ok with his direction but the numbers are not making sense at all to me. This is downright frightening:
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I am not going to assume hes going to go back on his word and tax under 250k like others are doing but I am having a hard time comprehending what this type of deficit will mean to us in a couple years.
 
Actually Bobby is a nickname, I was mistaken his mom didn't change it she just humored him and called him bobby just like the brady bunch.
His real name is still Piyush
 
I read today that his budget has more money in it for education than even education advocates had expected.

A good friend of mine today found out that even though she didn't keep COBRA when she lost her job, because she couldn't afford it (633 a month for an individual) she's still eligible for the 65% funding from the stimulus, and by law now has to be given another opportunity to join cobra. She told me that she had been having trouble sleeping, worried she was going to find a lump or something. She told me she didn't want to go to DC for the march on the pentagon. I told her, don't go. I'm not going.

This guy has the heart in the right place, and that means to me, that he doesn't dismiss the lives of brown people in other countries. I am going to give him a chance on IRaq and on Afghanistan. I am developing a growing trust in him and in his motives. It's not a blank check. But I'm going to give him a chance. I'm not going to protest this guy at this point.

For years I called bush fans, bushwhores. If someone called me an Obamawhore today, I'd say "that's right" and I'd follow it with a big smile.

I love the guy, and the only thing I do is hope every single day that he doesn't fuck up in Afghanistan, because i keep thinking of LBJ who was a great man in so many ways, but who killed his presidency, his legacy, and some of his great plans for this country, in Vietnam. And I hope every single day that they don't let fear of nationalizing the banks ruin everything either.

But right now, I want to enjoy these great feelings, and the idea that maybe, in fact, likely, we are standing at the dawn of a true new Progressive era. It's why I hardly post here anymore. I look around once in a while, and shake my head. This guy, and his policies have supermajority support. You come here and you see Libertarians claiming that their view is "the only mainstream position" I couldn't stop laughing over that one. How deluded do you have to be? And of course the usual ex-bushwores, so bitter, so desperate to believe that we'll fall into a depression so they can get back into power. So far out of where the mainstream is today. So over.

And you know what? They earned it. Boy, did they earn it. But we got through it, and now it got us to here. And I'm feeling really good about that right now.

As always good sister, I really appreciate your sincerity and depth. Your thoughts are always good balance for me.

I don't disagree with a single word of what you just said, and I agree that Obama has earned the respect and even adoration that he's given. I also agree that he has earned the necessary time to allow his policies to work before critics jump all over him. But even a critic like me gave him a "B" because I see many of the same things you do. I support the majority of what he's done thus far.

But I don't trust government .. which may seem odd to people who don't know anything about socialism. I believe in participatory government as defined in the Declaration of Independence .. which may seem odd to people who don't know anything about socialism. I believe that government and politicians must be pushed and the ultimate decision-makers in an effective democracy must always be the people.

"We the People" is socialism.

Obama could do a lot of things right and accomplish much of what you and I see as progressive and necessary .. and I'd still be pushing .. still be critical. If Jesus was the president, I'd still be pushing even though he also comes from our side of the political divide as Obama does .. because that's how I believe government should work. We spend too much time concentrated on what the other side is doing and far too little time concentrating on making our side better, stronger.

I believe universal/nationalized healthcare is critical for the American people and the future of this nation, and I believe it is attainable. The plight of your good friend is testament to just how critical this issue is. In spite of whatever Obama may do right, I'm going to keep pushing and critiquing his stance on healthcare until we get the real healthcare reform we need. We need healthcare reform, not tweaking.

And on that note I encourage you and your friend to join the fight to push the Obama Administration to support H.R. 676. Love him to death while you push him, but push him.

You hit the nail on the head with the example of LBJ, who without Vietnam, would be considered one of our greatest presidents. When Vietnam began to surface the left looked the other way because of the many other good things Johnson was doing. His "Great Society" is reminisent of the vision of Obama.

Does all the blame for Vietnam rest with LBJ, or should the Democratic Party and the left also be held accountable? It's the exact same question when it concerns Bush and the invasion of Iraq. Do republicans bear some responsibility?

My point is that in spite of the good things Obama does, and in spite of his good looks, beautiful family, his being highly educated and articulate, and him being the first African-American president .. in spite of all that, it's America and the future we create that comes first. Activism = citizenship my sister and your intelligence gives you purpose, it gives you power. But it also gives you responsibility for our environment, our society, our world, and our future .. and the only place that is written is in your spirtiuality. Its that thing that seperates you from them. This isn't anything you don't already know, but you are my sister, I simply remind you.

I'll join you in celebrating what Obama does well, if you join me in pushing for universal healthcare.
 
Why don't all of you Socialist who love it so much, move to a country that is Socialist? what makes you think the American people want to live under a Socialist system, and what gives you the right to push it on the American people?
 
Why don't all of you Socialist who love it so much, move to a country that is Socialist? what makes you think the American people want to live under a Socialist system, and what gives you the right to push it on the American people?

Jeez...

The American people elected Obama, who ran on the same platform that he is governing on so far.

Oh - and that platform isn't "Socialist." Stop listening to talk radio.
 
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