Can the country be unified?

Diesel said:
:palm: I'm not threatened by you nor anything you half-assedly drool into the internet.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
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Your posts conflict with your assertions.

Great quote. Try living it. Have you discussed ideas with anyone differing from your points of view? If so, please name the three JPP members with whom you agree with most and the three you agree with least. Afterwards, I'll do the same. It's your option to choose.
 
Diesel said:
American Nazis voted for Trump. All of them.
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All 300 of them? Scary.

But yeah, the Democrat Party is the New Third Reich, and seeks to inflict as much damage as they can on the country & world.

Full blown sociopaths; dangerous criminal gang.
 
Nordberg said:
Read this board, The hate and nastiness of rightys will not go away.
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Agreed that the right-wing Democrat party poses a massive Nazi-level threat to the country and world.

Unity is neither possible nor should be sought with them; they're sociopaths.
 
BidenPresident said:
The Biden era will determine the future of our nation. We were threatened with fascism. We need to tell Trump supporters that fascism is not allowed in our country.
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The BiHarris presidency poses a fascist threat to the world not seen since the rise of Hitler in Germany.
 
Diesel said:
I live part-time in Boulder, CO. It's one of the most liberal cities on the planet. And I tell you: My liberal friends and I have armed ourselves to the teeth. We won't start a war, but we will sure as shit finish one.
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^Just another unity-seeking Democrat...
 
War=Peace said:
^Just another unity-seeking Democrat...
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Why do you think your way is better?

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Diesel said:
Biden has barely begun to form his administration. BLM will wait for him because they know the Republicans are hopeless. And the Bernie Bros, even the ones who voted for Biden, were never united with him and never will be.
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so you agree Biden will never unite the demmycrat party...half the tent will be allowed to leak.......
 
Diesel said:
I live part-time in Boulder, CO. It's one of the most liberal cities on the planet. And I tell you: My liberal friends and I have armed ourselves to the teeth. We won't start a war, but we will sure as shit finish one.
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you don't seem intent on unity.....
 
Diesel said:
It sounds like you raised some good humans and that you all value independent thought. Congratulations to you -- sincerely.

I think my demographic generally (let's call it ages 30-45, give or take) feels similarly. We disagree amongst ourselves about government spending. There are still a lot of religious people in my age group who feel strongly about abortion and same sex marriage. We even have a ton of disagreement about gun control. However, I do feel confident in saying that most people my age are "liberal" in the sense that we believe in individual rights and win-win games. Few of us have suffered the tragedies of wars. We've been showered with affection and compliments. I think that most of us are good people who believe that other people are good.

Biden is no savior. He wasn't even the best Democratic candidate if you ask me. But this kamikaze death spin into lies, conspiracies, racism, misogyny, homophobia, and unrepentant, unashamed hate has to stop. Trump is the worst type of person. He inspired and encouraged the worst impulses in other people. We've had enough. Biden is good enough for now.

As far as policies go, I'm generally supportive of the ones you listed. Health care is a no brainer to me. It is inexcusable and nauseating that people who live in the richest country in the history of human existence don't get a cold or a flu or whatever diagnosed because they can't afford to walk inside a clinic. It's fucking barbaric. I was a high school teacher before I moved into an industry that pays significantly more. My mom is an early childhood developmental specialist. I have two young nephews who I love very much. There is nothing more important, more powerful, and more valuable than an education. I think that our young ones should have free, universal, high quality preschool. I think our public schools should be adequately funded and staffed with the best educational professionals in the world. I think cocurricular activities and social development should be as important as proficiency testing and daily attendance. I think that post-secondary education in the humanities or sciences or trades or whatever should be easily attainable and available to everyone. I travel a lot. The US is truly a "shithole" when it comes to roads and airports and bridges. Infrastructure is a no brainer to me, but we've been talking about this for decades and doing barely more than nothing about it the entire time. The defense budget is bloated, but that's because we decided many years ago to outsource everything the military does. My dad cooked and cleaned, maintained tanks and guns, and led PT sessions when he was in the US Army. Now a contractor does all of it. The defense budget is an absolute sham and a nightmare, but the overall federal budget is an even bigger problem.

Aside from what you mentioned (and I'm sorry this has gotten so long, but I become verbose when someone asks me a good question), I have been intensely interested in social justice and equality for my entire life. I am a non-white, non-straight man who was not born in the US. I spend up to 50% of my time in Europe, Asia, and Mexico. An American minority, to me, is everyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, old man. I don't resent their privilege. I just want them to acknowledge it and allow for some of the blessings of the land of milk and honey to drip down to the rest of us. I believe in women's reproductive rights and equal pay for equal work. I believe in the right of homosexual couples to marry and for that marriage to be recognized by the federal government (not the churches -- I am not a religious person). I believe that certain law enforcement forces have lost accountability and need to be wholly rebuilt. I believe that all lives matter, but I also know that black lives in this country have been systematically stomped into the ground for centuries and that the legacy of that oppression and discrimination is a weight that every breathing American carries every single day -- whether we choose to admit it or not. I believe that literacy, food security, and constant access to potable water should be universal. Above all, I believe that we're all in this together. I believe in the Golden Rule. I make mistakes and I say mean things, but I'm very mindful about the people that receive that type of reaction from me.
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Thank you for this in-depth response, much appreciated.

I am an old lady and a college student. For the most part the 20-year-olds I go to class with are pretty much in line with your thinking on the issues that face both the country as a whole and the younger (<50-yo) generations as well. Education, health care, student loan debt, availability of jobs to enable a decent standard of living, LGBTQ rights, BLM, immigration, and other social justice issues are on their minds.

Agree with you on Biden. I believe that he is a competent leader and a good and decent man. But damn -- this was the time when we should have had younger, more energetic candidates. Bernie was great years ago, as is/was Warren -- but too old. But at least we got rid of the Malignant Moron so that's something. 2024! In your opinion is your generation engaged and involved as you appear to be? Enough so that they will not only get out and vote but actively seek to get younger, progressive candidates elected up and down the ticket?

In Illinois, at least, there is an increasing trend to offer preschool programs by the public school districts for ages 3-5. A good thing! My youngest daughter is a special education/early childhood specialist who teaches in one of these programs; they blend typical kids with special-needs children. Yet here she is, 33 yrs old and still paying off her student loans (she has a masters). She absolutely agrees with you on the importance of early education and intervention when needed.

So the government has been quietly privatizing the military by having contractors do the work formerly done by enlistees?? So we are paying them to serve, and then paying contractors to do the work the men used to do as part of that service?

An American minority, to me, is everyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, old man. I don't resent their privilege. I just want them to acknowledge it and allow for some of the blessings of the land of milk and honey to drip down to the rest of us.
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Amen. I am an old white straight non-Xtian person. This not only makes sense, it is the best way to have a society where we recognize each others as neighbors, as humans. One of my parents was fairly liberal; the other was definitely not. In my own long life I have yet to see any good reason to embrace either the old conservatism of my younger years, or this neo-conservative Trumpism. Both are selfish, I-got-mine-so-f-you, non-inclusive religions. Yes, religions. When you vote for and then defend at all costs a vile bag of pus like Trump, you're not practicing politics, you're practicing a religion. You are a cultist. If this country is going to survive, we need to move past all this ridiculous tribalism. It probably won't happen though until my generation passes from this Earth.

It's very good to know that our future is in the hands of young people like yourself. You are the quintessential American -- a mix of nationalities and genetics, intelligent, hard-working, outward-thinking. Those things with the red hats waving traitor flags? Not much.
 
This thread gives us a great snapshot of the country.

Can it be unified?

No.

And that's because the Democrats want war & lots of it.

The Democrat Party is a sociopathic gang which, like its Nazi predecessors, seeks pain, death & destruction.

Democrats who GENUINELY want unity are like Jewish Nazis: while they technically exist, their numbers are virtually non-existent.

Good topic; very revealing.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Your posts conflict with your assertions.

Great quote. Try living it. Have you discussed ideas with anyone differing from your points of view? If so, please name the three JPP members with whom you agree with most and the three you agree with least. Afterwards, I'll do the same. It's your option to choose.
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Yep. I seem to agree with BidenPresident, ThatOwlWoman, and Iolo often. I don't agree with Stone and Into the Night often. I just don't like you. From what I've heard, no one does.
 
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