All bow to the leader - Rush Linbaugh....

Mottleydude said:
It's not a tactic. It's the truth. Go study Goebbel's propaganda model. There's no doubt Rush has adopted it. The only difference is that he's not replaced religion with the state but equate his "conservative values" with religiosity which is essentially the same tactic. Where Rush differs from Goebbel's is that he uses (or tries to) humor with his propaganda and most effectively as it's made him a multimillionare. But there can be no argument about Rush and other right wing talking heads adopting this model. All's one has to do to see the truth of this is that anytime in a speech where Rush say's "Liberal" is to just cross the word liberal out and insert "Jew".

The truth becomes self evident. Rush is indeed a fascist.
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So by your argument you should be saying Rush = Goebbel. Nor is that true either:
Propaganda is generally an appeal to emotion, contrasted to an appeal to intellect. ... Hitler would meet nearly every day with Goebbels to discuss the news and Goebbels would obtain Hitler's thoughts on the subject; Goebbels would then meet with senior Ministry officials and pass down the official Party line on world events. Broadcasters and journalists required prior approval before their works were disseminated.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda



Rush is always railing on Liberalism as a movement based on emotion, where Conservatism is based on rational though and logic. Moreover, Rush is a broadcaster, and has no power to approve of any politician's statements before they utter them.

By the way fascism is forced socialism. Rush isn't socialist, and he's not forcing his policies on you.

It appears you have this whole thing backwards. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
So by your argument you should be saying Rush = Goebbel. Nor is that true either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda



Rush is always railing on Liberalism as a movement based on emotion, where Conservatism is based on rational though and logic. Moreover, Rush is a broadcaster, and has no power to approve of any politician's statements before they utter them.

By the way fascism is forced socialism. Rush isn't socialist, and he's not forcing his policies on you.

It appears you have this whole thing backwards. *shrug*
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I would suggest you read up on fascism. Start with its beginnings and read Giovanni Gentile who, along with Mussolini, were the founders of the movement. It is at its very core a rejection of socialism, marxism and internationalism. I would say that Asshat (not meant as an insult AHZ) is one of the closest we have on here to a classical fascist. Fascism is very nationalist at its core. It rejects any international workers movement, and while it is collectivist, and statist. There is no desire in fascism to create a workers paradise. The problem with fascism is that you can't really compartmentalize it. There are right wing fascists, left wing fascists and center fascists. Hell I can't even properly discuss it here because it just requries a lot of time. But to pigeon hole it as "socialist" it to have no real understanding of the philosophy at all.
 
Socrtease said:
I would suggest you read up on fascism. Start with its beginnings and read Giovanni Gentile who, along with Mussolini, were the founders of the movement. It is at its very core a rejection of socialism, marxism and internationalism. I would say that Asshat (not meant as an insult AHZ) is one of the closest we have on here to a classical fascist. Fascism is very nationalist at its core. It rejects any international workers movement, and while it is collectivist, and statist. There is no desire in fascism to create a workers paradise. The problem with fascism is that you can't really compartmentalize it. There are right wing fascists, left wing fascists and center fascists. Hell I can't even properly discuss it here because it just requries a lot of time. But to pigeon hole it as "socialist" it to have no real understanding of the philosophy at all.
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Actually, Motleydude started this discussion with Hitler and his brand of fascism, so we'll stick with that, which is undoubtedly socialist, and therefore tied in much more closely with the Democrat Party.
 
Damocles said:
No, I'm saying I think he hopes they'll fail because he believes they'll be detrimental whether they are successful at first.

The word "hope" signifies an understanding of the possibility of it going the other way, of it "succeeding" and thus creating a worse quagmire for our future in his opinion. One can look at France and understand that some programs he would call socialist can "succeed". It is his opinion that in the long run they will be detrimental regardless of their "success".

I believe he meant what he said. That he was concise.
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So to you, by saying he hopes they fail, he really means that he hopes they will not be successfull at first then later fail.

By saying he hopes they fail, means he hopes that they wont fail later in time!
 
meme said:
Oh my, the twisting and turning of what Rush "actually" said continues..

He said the same thing that the left said about Bush..they hoped his POLICIES fail..

But keep on twisting it...it's fun to watch..:cof1:
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Show me a quote from a liberal where he/she said they "hope Bush fails"!
 
Jarod said:
So to you, by saying he hopes they fail, he really means that he hopes they will not be successfull at first then later fail.

By saying he hopes they fail, means he hopes that they wont fail later in time!
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No. I think he hopes that those policies will fail. That they'll fail now so that we don't have to face what will come later in his opinion. Again, the word "hopes" denotes an understanding the possibility that what he hopes will not happen and that they'll be "successful" and set us up for later, much larger pain.

I think you are being deliberately disingenuous. Nobody understands how to assign some meaning to words that isn't there like an attorney, especially those he wants to hear instead of hearing what was said. I think part of an attorney's job is often to trick themselves into thinking something so they can be complete convincing before a jury. You practice this so often you cannot even see yourself deliberately ignoring things that were stated for your preference of belief.

Again I will state this.

I believe he wants those policies he thinks are socialist to fail.

Now I assign motive (another thing an attorney should understand): I think he wants them to fail because he thinks their success would bring a hefty and painful payment in the future.
 
Jarod said:
Show me a quote from a liberal where he/she said they "hope Bush fails"!
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Rush said if Obama's policies are going to promote Socialism, then he hoped he failed..

All we heard from the left for the eight years while Bush was President, was that he "was a failure and the worst President in history..

You know it, I know it..so stop pretending you never heard it..
 
Jarod said:
Show me a quote from a liberal where he/she said they "hope Bush fails"!
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The last paragraph of the memo reads, "Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq."

Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (search), R-Kan., appeared clearly shocked by the memo, which Sen. Jay Rockefeller (search), D-W. Va., ranking member on the Intelligence Committee, acknowledged was written in draft form and not meant for distribution.

Roberts said Tuesday a leaked strategy memo from Rockefeller's staff "exposes politics in its most raw form."

The memo discusses strategy for "revealing the misleading, if not flagrantly dishonest, methods and motives of senior administration officials who made the case for unilateral pre-emptive war." It discussed how Democrats could press for an independent investigation that has already been
rejected by the Republican-led Congress or launch their own investigation.

In a statement, Roberts said that the memo "appears to be a road map for how the Democrats intend to politicize what should be a bipartisan, objective review of prewar intelligence."
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102206,00.html
 
Damocles said:
No. I think he hopes that those policies will fail. That they'll fail now so that we don't have to face what will come later in his opinion. Again, the word "hopes" denotes an understanding the possibility that what he hopes will not happen and that they'll be "successful" and set us up for later, much larger pain.

I think you are being deliberately disingenuous. Nobody understands how to assign some meaning to words that isn't there like an attorney, especially those he wants to hear instead of hearing what was said. I think part of an attorney's job is often to trick themselves into thinking something so they can be complete convincing before a jury. You practice this so often you cannot even see yourself deliberately ignoring things that were stated for your preference of belief.

Again I will state this.

I believe he wants those policies he thinks are socialist to fail.

Now I assign motive (another thing an attorney should understand): I think he wants them to fail because he thinks their success would bring a hefty and painful payment in the future.
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You are the one saying Rush had a different meaning than the words he used. I am not sure, in your version of the meaning of what Rush said... Does he hope that ultimatly President Obama's plans will work?
 
Jarod said:
Show me a quote from a liberal where he/she said they "hope Bush fails"!
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WASHINGTON - President Bush has been a "total failure" in everything from the economy to the war to energy policy, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday. In an interview on CNN, the California Democrat was asked to respond to video of the president criticizing the Democratic-led Congress for heading into the final 26 days of the legislative session without having passed a single government spending bill.

Pelosi shot back in unusually personal terms.

"You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject," Pelosi replied. She then tsk-tsked Bush for "challenging Congress when we are trying to sweep up after his mess over and over and over again."
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White House spokeswoman Dana Perino defended Bush.

"What the president said is a fact — this is the longest a Congress has gone in 20 years without passing a single spending bill, so it's clear that the speaker is feeling some frustration at their inability to do so."
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meme said:
Rush said if Obama's policies are going to promote Socialism, then he hoped he failed..

All we heard from the left for the eight years while Bush was President, was that he "was a failure and the worst President in history..

You know it, I know it..so stop pretending you never heard it..
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You should be able to understand that saying something has happend, is different than saying you hope somenting will happen.

I hoped I was wrong about Bush's plans for the economey, unfortunantly I was right and look at the shape we are in now!
 
I realize its just about impossible to imagine a pinhead liberal will look at an issue fairly and with an open mind...but here goes anyway....

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

Rush Limbaugh:

"They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half.

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.
Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." "
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Context is everything....Rush plainly states.....
the subjects are "Obama's plans, Obama's politics, liberalism and socialism...

In THESE he hopes Obama fails......
 
Jarod said:
You are the one saying Rush had a different meaning than the words he used. I am not sure, in your version of the meaning of what Rush said... Does he hope that ultimatly President Obama's plans will work?
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No.

I state he wants these policies to fail.

Then I tell you what he said when he explained why he said he hopes these policies fail.

You are the one who doesn't "hear" what he actually said.

And, again, in his opinion socialism always fails, even when it has been "successful" it is only on its way to failure.

This is what the man stated.

Now, you assign inane motivation based on what you want one sentence taken out of context to mean and refuse to recognize the rest of what the man said.

You are disingenuous. Seriously so. If I was on a jury listening to this kind of caviling from you while you were ignoring what he actually said I would almost invariably rule against you. I hate it when people lie to me. Especially when what is before me tells me something different.
 
Darla said:
SF is actually sane. It makes him a misfit in his own party though.
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silly woman... how many times must you be told.... it is not my party. Being conservative does not make you a Rep, nor does being liberal make you a Dem.

and yes, I am just jerking your chain with the silly woman comment.... because I am evil... so bite me.
 
Superfreak said:
silly woman... how many times must you be told.... it is not my party. Being conservative does not make you a Rep, nor does being liberal make you a Dem.

and yes, I am just jerking your chain with the silly woman comment.... because I am evil... so bite me.
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Bad news, I have herpes.

lol. Okay I guess you won't get that because you didn't read the Rihanna thread, but it's funny trust me.
 
Damocles said:
No.

I state he wants these policies to fail.

Then I tell you what he said when he explained why he said he hopes these policies fail.

You are the one who doesn't "hear" what he actually said.

And, again, in his opinion socialism always fails, even when it has been "successful" it is only on its way to failure.

This is what the man stated.

Now, you assign inane motivation based on what you want one sentence taken out of context to mean and refuse to recognize the rest of what the man said.

You are disingenuous. Seriously so. If I was on a jury listening to this kind of caviling from you while you were ignoring what he actually said I would almost invariably rule against you. I hate it when people lie to me. Especially when what is before me tells me something different.
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He said he "hopes" the plans fail, acknoledging the possability that they will be successfull. You have made up some conviluted story about how what he really means is that he hopes they fail in the short run, because we all know he belives they will no matter what fail in the long run.

I take his word for it, Rush hopes the plans "fail".
 
Jarod said:
He said he "hopes" the plans fail, acknoledging the possability that they will be successfull. You have made up some conviluted story about how what he really means is that he hopes they fail in the short run, because we all know he belives they will no matter what fail in the long run.

I take his word for it, Rush hopes the plans "fail".
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My new over/under for this thread is 200 posts. Damo likes to argue and Jarod is a freakin lawyer. It is quite interesting to read 100 posts on whether Rush meant the literal meaning of fail or if one needed to read between the lines.
 
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