Yes Solitary, There IS a Black and White...

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Pro-Choice...Pro-Life...Black or White!

Pro-Gay-Marriage...Anti-Gay-Marriage....Black or White!

Pro-Gun...Gun Control...Black or White!

Pro-Government...Less Government...Black or White!

Against School Prayer...For School Prayer...Black or White!

Pro-Union...Against Unions...Black or White!

For ID in Schools...Against ID in Schools...Black or White!

Conservative Principles...Liberal Principles...Black or White!

In almost every aspect of society, there is a clear BLACK or WHITE side, and it is represented by either Democrats or Republicans. This country is essentially split down the middle... Black or White, there is not a Grey!

Now, maybe there should be... maybe the world would be a better place if there were, but the fact of the matter is, there isn't, and there isn't likely to be, anytime in our near future. The issues above are too sharply divided, there is no room to compromise either way. Any compromise, is a willing surrender of the issue to the other side. To me, these issues are far to important to surrender or compromise. Could there be compromise? Perhaps, but it requires BOTH sides willing to give up some level of principle, and neither side is interested in that! In my opinion, and I've been blasted for this before, we are coming down to a Cultural Civil War over these things, because neither side is willing to give an inch. Perhaps when the bloodshed claims a few hundred thousands or maybe even a million American lives, the two sides can come to some reasonable compromise? As it stands now, we have two political parties, each representing one of the two Black or White sides of these issues, and we must decide which side stands for the majority of what we believe is right. Because, it's either that, or ammo the fuck up!

 

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Pro-Choice...Pro-Life...Black or White!

Pro-Gay-Marriage...Anti-Gay-Marriage....Black or White!

Pro-Gun...Gun Control...Black or White!

Pro-Government...Less Government...Black or White!

Against School Prayer...For School Prayer...Black or White!

Pro-Union...Against Unions...Black or White!

For ID in Schools...Against ID in Schools...Black or White!

Conservative Principles...Liberal Principles...Black or White!

Yes, Dixie, there are black & white issues. But of the issues you listed, only two have even been touched on in recent months. Neither republicans nor democrats have helped with less government. So the black & white there is the people against the politicians.

I admit being wrong when I stated there is no black & white. But that does not change my point in any significant way.

The rancor and hostility between the two parties is counter-productive in most areas. When we sit down to work on jobs, the housing fiasco, foriegn affairs, the banking industry, taxation, ect, the hatred does not accomplish anything except to slow the process.

Of the 20 threads on the front page of Current Events on this forum, only one touches on one of the B&W topics you listed. But another 17 or 18 are filled with bullshit screaming about who is worse or who is at fault.

 

[Onceler]

For gay marriage...wouldn't civil unions be a middle ground?

I know a lot of gun control advocates who own guns; the majority of people in America do not believe in unrestricted access to any type of weapon without licensing or background checks.

Most people who want less gov't are not anarchists; just about everyone supports having gov't in some fashion.

In short: you're wrong.

 

[DigitalDave]

Of the 20 threads on the front page of Current Events on this forum, only one touches on one of the B&W topics you listed. But another 17 or 18 are filled with bullshit screaming about who is worse or who is at fault.

I hate to break it to ya, but that's been the case for years with this group of political junkies. Really, the closest one to actually making a real political impact is Adam Weinberg... and he really doesn't stop here much, because he's too busy actually being busy. So when you see a thread on this message board and you read it... you just wasted your time.

 

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I hate to break it to ya, but that's been the case for years with this group of political junkies. Really, the closest one to actually making a real political impact is Adam Weinberg... and he really doesn't stop here much, because he's too busy actually being busy. So when you see a thread on this message board and you read it... you just wasted your time.

Yeah, I have spent way more time on these boards than I should. Part of it comes from working out of town and having time on my hands. The other comes from an addiction of sorts.

But your point is well made.

 

[Jarod]

Dixie you are so ignorant, there are so many shades of grey between the positions you listed its incredable.

Black and white on those issues does not in reality exist.

Noone is for individuals being allowed to have nuclear weapons in the back yard, and noone is for the abolition of 2x4's.

 

[blackascoal]

Am I missing something or is there any valid reason why Dixie couldn't have made his/her/it's point in the thread already posted on this topic .. where many of the same things have already been said .. including it's point?

 

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Am I missing something or is there any valid reason why Dixie couldn't have made his/her/it's point in the thread already posted on this topic .. where many of the same things have already been said .. including it's point?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

For gay marriage...wouldn't civil unions be a middle ground?

I know a lot of gun control advocates who own guns; the majority of people in America do not believe in unrestricted access to any type of weapon without licensing or background checks.

Most people who want less gov't are not anarchists; just about everyone supports having gov't in some fashion.

In short: you're wrong.

Onzies, I am never wrong!

No... Civil Unions is a "compromise" which would not satisfy either side. I've proposed it, only to have lefties bash and trash me for "denying rights" to gays, and righties bash me for "allowing same-sex unions!"

The same is true with Abortion. A compromise would be, we outlaw abortion on demand, we allow abortions in extreme cases, when other options are not practical, or when the person getting the abortion has been victimized. I've proposed that, only to be bashed by the left for not allowing "women the right to choose" and by the right for "caving on right-to-life principles!"

I know of NO pro-gun advocate who supports liberal gun control laws. Most all Americans support reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and bans on certain types of weapons.

With government, it's more a matter of whether you believe in Socialism or Capitalism. Maybe I should have stated it that way instead. Some people think Government is the answer to all problems, others think the private sector can provide the answer better. There is not a lot of compromise on those two principles. They tend to be diametrically opposed to each other.

So, basically, I am right... there ARE Blacks and Whites, and we are sharply divided. I have readily admitted, we could compromise on most of these, but we won't! Both sides believe they are standing up for a principle, and any compromise, jeopardizes that principle to some degree. Look at John McCain on the illegal immigration policy... he offered a reasonable compromise, a way to solve the problem... it was rejected by both the left and right, on principle.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Am I missing something or is there any valid reason why Dixie couldn't have made his/her/it's point in the thread already posted on this topic .. where many of the same things have already been said .. including it's point?

Yeah, what you're missing is... this is an open forum, where people can post whatever the fuck they want to. You're a hack liberal, who won't make a peep when the pinheads 'mock' a conservative by posting another thread, but you'll damn sure jump on it when Dixie does it. But, you see, on an open forum, you have that right! Free Speech! It's a wonderful concept, enjoy it!

 

[Onceler]

"No... Civil Unions is a "compromise" which would not satisfy either side. I've proposed it, only to have lefties bash and trash me for "denying rights" to gays, and righties bash me for "allowing same-sex unions!" "

Oh...that's your evidence? You have been "bashed" on a political message board that has about 30 members?

That's one thing I have not bashed you on, and most people on "my side" would welcome civil unions for gay couples.

"Most all Americans support reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and bans on certain types of weapons"

Yeah - most people call that "gun control." Ergo, you admit that most Americans support gun control, AND the 2nd amendment.

"With government, it's more a matter of whether you believe in Socialism or Capitalism"

I am a strong believer in capitalism, as are most on the left. I can't help you if you don't understand the meaning of "socialism."

I understand that YOUR world is very black & white, but that just isn't how it is in the real world. Most people understand compromise, and that there are places in the middle where most of us can meet & achieve reasonable solutions.

 

[maineman]

Onzies, I am never wrong!

No... Civil Unions is a "compromise" which would not satisfy either side. I've proposed it, only to have lefties bash and trash me for "denying rights" to gays, and righties bash me for "allowing same-sex unions!"

The same is true with Abortion. A compromise would be, we outlaw abortion on demand, we allow abortions in extreme cases, when other options are not practical, or when the person getting the abortion has been victimized. I've proposed that, only to be bashed by the left for not allowing "women the right to choose" and by the right for "caving on right-to-life principles!"

I know of NO pro-gun advocate who supports liberal gun control laws. Most all Americans support reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and bans on certain types of weapons.

With government, it's more a matter of whether you believe in Socialism or Capitalism. Maybe I should have stated it that way instead. Some people think Government is the answer to all problems, others think the private sector can provide the answer better. There is not a lot of compromise on those two principles. They tend to be diametrically opposed to each other.

So, basically, I am right... there ARE Blacks and Whites, and we are sharply divided. I have readily admitted, we could compromise on most of these, but we won't! Both sides believe they are standing up for a principle, and any compromise, jeopardizes that principle to some degree. Look at John McCain on the illegal immigration policy... he offered a reasonable compromise, a way to solve the problem... it was rejected by both the left and right, on principle.

there are black and white positions on many issues.... those issues can and have resolved themselves into grey in the past, and will so again in the future.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

"No... Civil Unions is a "compromise" which would not satisfy either side. I've proposed it, only to have lefties bash and trash me for "denying rights" to gays, and righties bash me for "allowing same-sex unions!" "

Oh...that's your evidence? You have been "bashed" on a political message board that has about 30 members?

No, that is an example. The evidence would be McCain's failed candidacy for president. Arguably one of the most "compromising" politicians in Washington. People aren't interested in compromise!

That's one thing I have not bashed you on, and most people on "my side" would welcome civil unions for gay couples.

Then why do they continue to push and push for "Gay Marriage?" I think most people on my side, are okay with allowing two gay people to enter into a contract of union and obtain the same rights as married couples. The issue, is redefining "marriage" to mean something it's not ever been.

"Most all Americans support reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and bans on certain types of weapons"

Yeah - most people call that "gun control." Ergo, you admit that most Americans support gun control, AND the 2nd amendment.

No, gun restrictions and gun control are two entirely different things. I don't think most NRA people believe we should allow tommy-guns to be sold at Walmart! Or that any Joe Blow off the street, should be able to waltz in and buy one! Responsible measures for gun ownership are fine with most people, they understand it, and aren't opposed. It's when liberal mush-brains start trying to ban the ownership of handguns in a city, and stuff like that, which causes a rift. This is what I mean by "gun control" not simple common sense restrictions and regulations.

"With government, it's more a matter of whether you believe in Socialism or Capitalism"

I am a strong believer in capitalism, as are most on the left. I can't help you if you don't understand the meaning of "socialism."

No, you're a strong believe in Socialism... tax the fuck outta the rich, tax the fuck out of the greedy corporations, and make them pay for your liberal entitlements. That's what you voted for, that's what you support. You can fake being a Capitalist if you like, but you don't fool me one bit.

I understand that YOUR world is very black & white, but that just isn't how it is in the real world. Most people understand compromise, and that there are places in the middle where most of us can meet & achieve reasonable solutions.

Yes, it's indeed how it is in the real world. That was the point of this thread. Some of you idiots on the left, want to now try and mealy-mouth your way into this mindset that we somehow have common ground, and we can "unite" and find compromise. I guess reality is starting to bite you in the ass, and you're all starting to realize, winning an election doesn't mean you won on all these black and white issues. America was divided before the election, and they are still divided. Many of the issues have no resolve because of pride, stubbornness, and principles. Knowing this, you have set out to fool people into thinking you would be content with compromise, but the left never will be! It's what keeps the left alive... divisiveness... keeping us all split over black and white issues! If you didn't have some issue to champion, you wouldn't know how to act! You'll dupe a few morons on the right into believing we can work together, and before you know it, there you will be again, pushing for the same left-wing agenda as always! You don't want compromise, you want to nudge the right a little more to the left, to make it easier to achieve your objectives. What's sad is, it will probably end up working for you, because everyone wants to think there is a way for us to resolve our differences.

 

[Onceler]

"No, that is an example. The evidence would be McCain's failed candidacy for president. Arguably one of the most "compromising" politicians in Washington. People aren't interested in compromise! "

Huh? That's why McCain lost?

As usual, you're delusional. The country is purple, not red or blue. People do want to see solutions. Polls show majority support for a variety of compromise solutions along the lines of what we are discussing, including civil unions.

Honestly, you're just projecting. Your first reaction to losing an election was to start talking about bunkers & civil war; you are unable to venture from the extreme of your ideology, so you assume everyone is that way. That's just not the way it is.

 

[blackascoal]

Yeah, what you're missing is... this is an open forum, where people can post whatever the fuck they want to. You're a hack liberal, who won't make a peep when the pinheads 'mock' a conservative by posting another thread, but you'll damn sure jump on it when Dixie does it. But, you see, on an open forum, you have that right! Free Speech! It's a wonderful concept, enjoy it!

Naw dummy. You started this worthless thread because you're an idiot .. which is hardly any surprise to most people here.

.. and lest there be any ambiguity, I'll damn sure "jump on it" when it's YOU.

You have every right to demonstrate your moronic thought on this board in anyway you choose .. just as I have the right to mock your stupid ass.

Any questions .. www.fuckyoumotherfucker.com

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

"No, that is an example. The evidence would be McCain's failed candidacy for president. Arguably one of the most "compromising" politicians in Washington. People aren't interested in compromise! "

Huh? That's why McCain lost?

As usual, you're delusional. The country is purple, not red or blue. People do want to see solutions. Polls show majority support for a variety of compromise solutions along the lines of what we are discussing, including civil unions.

Honestly, you're just projecting. Your first reaction to losing an election was to start talking about bunkers & civil war; you are unable to venture from the extreme of your ideology, so you assume everyone is that way. That's just not the way it is.

Yes, it's the way it is! And YES, that's precisely why McCain lost.... he was too "left-wing" for the right and too "right-wing" for the left, and the rest voted for Ron Paul because they are clueless idiots. The country is mostly RED! The East and West Coast are BLUE! Some of the liberal, union-owned, government-loving, North is also BLUE. There is very little "Purple" just as there is very little "Grey" in America!

I talk about bunkers and civil war, because I honestly think that will be what it takes to wake you people the fuck up, and get you to realize you don't have a monopoly on ideology in America! You just keep fucking pushing for more and more, castigating the right, calling us names and belittling us to no end, and eventually, even the mild mannered among us are going to get fed up with it. When all hell breaks loose, you will be one of the doe-eyed-Nancy-Pelosi-looking idiots who doesn't understand why everyone is so pissed off! But it will be WAY too fucking late for moderation, it will have to be settled the way we've always seemed to have to settle our disagreements. That fucking day is coming, and if you don't wake your liberal asswipe buddies up soon, it may be coming faster than you think.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Naw dummy. You started this worthless thread because you're an idiot .. which is hardly any surprise to most people here.

.. and lest there be any ambiguity, I'll damn sure "jump on it" when it's YOU.

You have every right to demonstrate your moronic thought on this board in anyway you choose .. just as I have the right to mock your stupid ass.

Any questions .. www.fuckyoumotherfucker.com

Shut the fuck up and die, moron!

 

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Yeah, what you're missing is... this is an open forum, where people can post whatever the fuck they want to. You're a hack liberal, who won't make a peep when the pinheads 'mock' a conservative by posting another thread, but you'll damn sure jump on it when Dixie does it. But, you see, on an open forum, you have that right! Free Speech! It's a wonderful concept, enjoy it!

Free speech is a wonderful concept. Except it exists on this forum only as long as the owner of this website allows it.

Its not a right on here. It is a priviledge.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Free speech is a wonderful concept. Except it exists on this forum only as long as the owner of this website allows it.

Its not a right on here. It is a priviledge.

Just shut the fuck up and join BAC!