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Who cares if it has been a historical necessity? It is not a necessity now. It's a game.
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In the USA it is not, although I can see a struggling farmer needing to hunt in 2009. Would you outlaw hunting in the 3rd world?
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No one hunts for a livelihood in any developing or developed culture. There may be tribes out in Papau New Guinea who hunt to live, because of low population density and few alternatives in the middle of a rainforest. If the people in India, or a simialar third world country, hunted for livelihood there'd be no game left in their country by Tuesday.
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It certainly is a necessity. How else would you propose that we contain the populations of whitetail deer, feral swine, coyote, and other game animals who have no natural predators left?
It is a large part of the conservation efforts nationwide.
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Thanks, I'm more knowledgeable about conservation as it pertains to land and non-animal life. I'm assuming Water is on the same page as me there.
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It may be a cheap tool that conservationists use, but is it necessary? Alternatives would be expensive, but they do exist.
I was just rejecting Threedee's argument that historical necessity for human survival really mattered today. In hindsight, it really wasn't even worth commenting on.
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Ok, then lets have a lesson.
In the state of Alabama the whitetail deer population is at about 1.5 million animals. According to state wildlife biologists, approximately one-third of those animals need to be removed (culled, hunted, murdered - pick your word) in order to maintain a healthy herd. Thats roughly 500k animals.
If you do not remove that many, the breeding continues and the herd continues to grow until one of two things happens:
1) Predation restores the balance - can't see reintroducing wolves in sufficient numbers to cull 500,000 animals.
2) The herd over eats its habitat and numbers are reduced by starvation and sickness brought on by malnutrition. Its a horribly slow way to die. And while this is happening, the remaining deer continue to browse anything they can. They destroy crops and strip woodlands bare. So then many, many other woodland species are put on the road to starvation.
With hunting, the state wildlife conservation efforts get a large portion of their budget from the fees, licences, and extra taxes hunters pay. So they can do more to improve things instead of just fighting not to lose the entire ecosystem.
Also, many hunters donate their game meat to soup kitchens and homeless shelters. For example, Safari Club International donates an average of 250,000 pounds of high protein/low fat meat to food banks, soup kitchens and homeless shelters. Considering the budgets those people work with, meat is a scarce commodity.In 2006 Sportsmen Against Hunger donated 258,503 lbs, and in 2007 they donated 322,872 lbs of wild meat. This provides the equivalent of 1,291,488 meals for people who's diet is typically lacking quality protein.
http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/content/index.cfm?action=view&content_ID=324&Content_Menu_ID=238
So we hunters feed the hungry, maintain healthy herds and flocks of animals, and protect the wild areas in which they live.
Yes, hunting is still a necessary part of life. You just get to choose whether or not to participate. If you choose not to, thats fine. But don't assume no one else is needed.
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It would be expensive in the extreme. Not only would you have to hire professional hunters in sufficient numbers to take out 250,000 elusive wild animals. But you would have to replace the money the conservation effort gets from the hunter's taxes, fees and licenses. Thats no small sum.
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I didn't analyze things in full. I was mostly thinking of hunting to eat and hunting for pure game, which is no longer a necessity.
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Also, there are fewer and fewer hunters every year.
Consider this article from the USAToday.
"States that rely on tens of millions of dollars in hunting license fees annually to pay for environmental conservation are trying to boost a population they had never thought of protecting: the endangered American hunter.
The number of hunters has slid from a peak of 19.1 million in 1975 to 12.5 million last year, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
With that drop has come worries that states won't be able to pay for the rising costs of conservation efforts and acquisition of open space.
States generated $724 million last year through hunting licenses and fees for wildlife management and conservation; taxes on guns and ammunition added another $267 million, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service.
"Sportsmen pay the bills, especially east of the Mississippi," says Rob Sexton, vice president for government affairs at the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, a hunters advocacy group in Columbus, Ohio. "A vast majority of the public land where people go for walks, wildlife viewing or mountain biking, the vast majority is bought by sportsmen."
Consider this article from the USAToday.
"States that rely on tens of millions of dollars in hunting license fees annually to pay for environmental conservation are trying to boost a population they had never thought of protecting: the endangered American hunter.
The number of hunters has slid from a peak of 19.1 million in 1975 to 12.5 million last year, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
With that drop has come worries that states won't be able to pay for the rising costs of conservation efforts and acquisition of open space.
States generated $724 million last year through hunting licenses and fees for wildlife management and conservation; taxes on guns and ammunition added another $267 million, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service.
"Sportsmen pay the bills, especially east of the Mississippi," says Rob Sexton, vice president for government affairs at the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, a hunters advocacy group in Columbus, Ohio. "A vast majority of the public land where people go for walks, wildlife viewing or mountain biking, the vast majority is bought by sportsmen."
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Well Done, Watermark. You made a statement about which you were not completely familiar. When new information became available to you, you admited that you did not analyze things in full.
That takes a lot, young man. Well done. Its called Integrity.
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Back to the main topic:
It is an sourced of unceasing idiocy how the mindless liberals want to blame the guns in tragedies like this.
Let me ask you totalitarian fucks one simple question:
WHY was a subhuman slimeball FUCK like that, with and extensive violent criminal record STILL ON THE FUCKING STREETS?
And the answer is:
All liberals, go look in a fucking mirror, you brain dead simpleton fucks. YOU are the mindless droves who support a political philosophy that put men like that out on the street to commit additional crime until finally they get in a situation that kills them. The sad thing is YOU fucks allowed him to kill three more, and wound another, before they could do what SHOULD have been done a LONG DAMNED TIME AGO!
It is an sourced of unceasing idiocy how the mindless liberals want to blame the guns in tragedies like this.
Let me ask you totalitarian fucks one simple question:
WHY was a subhuman slimeball FUCK like that, with and extensive violent criminal record STILL ON THE FUCKING STREETS?
And the answer is:
All liberals, go look in a fucking mirror, you brain dead simpleton fucks. YOU are the mindless droves who support a political philosophy that put men like that out on the street to commit additional crime until finally they get in a situation that kills them. The sad thing is YOU fucks allowed him to kill three more, and wound another, before they could do what SHOULD have been done a LONG DAMNED TIME AGO!
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Extensive criminal record?
He had one violent offense - assault.
Do you want to put everyone who committs an assault in prison for life?
Well FUCK YOU. YOU AND YOUR BRAINDEAD GET TOUGH POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS NATION! DO US A FAVOR AND PUT A FUCKING HOLE IN YOUR HEAD, YOU EVIL, SLIMEBALL, SUBHUMAN SCUM!
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YOU ARE THE REASON FOR IT! SERIOUSLY, KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF GOOD LUCK!
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Dear whiney little pissant: try to get your facts straight. The criminal had an extensive criminal record. The article says so more than once. He was ON PAROLE for assault with a deadly weapon (strike one you liberal retarded pissant) When a criminal has a long history of criminal activity which INCLUDES assault with a deadly weapon, then FUCK YES the son of bitch should be kept in fucking JAIL, you stupid little shit.
Second NOWHERE does it say the assault charge was the ONLY violent crime on his record, just the CURRENT one.
Clue for you whiney liberal retarded totalitarian FUCKS out there, all bleeding heart except when it come to the FREEDOMS this country went to long lengths to protect:
When a criminal is out on parole for AWDW, AND has an extensive criminal record, you can BET the AWDW is NOT the only violent crime on said record.
Third: the fact that he opened fire upon being pulled over in "what appeared to be a routine traffic stop" tells you full and well this slimy piece of subhuman excrement (who, by the way, had a warrant out for his arrest AGAIN anyway) should never have hit the streets under liberal "let them go, they're just poor misunderstood individuals whose mommies did not hug them enough" policies.
Bottom line: Mixon should NOT have been out of jail - PERIOD. So yes, my little fascist pissant - it is YOUR type who can claim fault in incidents like this.
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California has the toughest three strikes law in the nation. He couldn't have committed more than two without being locked up for 80 years afterward. That is common sense. Only you do not know that. You see, YOUR policies, the "Get tough" policies, have already been implemented. They have already failed. Thankyou, now go kill yourself.
Nowhere does it say it wasn't his only one. It only said he had an "extensive criminal history" - which could, and likely was, some minor crimes and then the assault. The fact is, by the mere presence of the three strikes law, it could not have been more than twol, or else he would be in prison for the rest of his life.
Better to have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.
Really good luck? I have your BET? Well, thanks for that, you've proven it to me now.
The fact is if he was in prison for AWDW and he was 27 he had spent most of his adult life in prison for the offense. If he had committed another similar crime, like robbery, he would've spent all his adult life in prison. You can't add your scheme up very well without putting tens of thousands of people in prison for crimes they NEVER WOULD HAVE COMMITTED, which is in itself a horrific crime.
It's not very difficult to understand. They stopped him for a traffic violation, which would have sent him back to prison. He raged and murdered them because he didn't want to go back to prison, and would rather die. So it's your fault, for having the ridiculous prison and parole system which makes it impossible for prisoners to reintegrate into society.
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You are seriously the most obnoxious person I've ever had the displeasure of arguing with on the internet. And that says A LOT about you. Seriously, at least lay off the constant ad HOMINEM assault AND the RANDOM capitalizations. Then do the world a favor and put that hole in your head. Ciao.
Just another black criminal, who was in and out of prison thanks to the liberal policies of California.
He dropped out of school in Oakland in the ninth grade, and at age 18 pleaded guilty to taking part in a gunpoint robbery in San Francisco.
Lovelle Mixon used a semiautomatic pistol to shoot and kill Hege and Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, two motorcycle officers who pulled him over during a routine traffic stop. Two hours later, Mixon, who was holed up in his sister's nearby apartment, opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle, killing SWAT team sergeants Ervin Romans, 43, and Daniel Sakai, 35.
Law enforcement authorities revealed Sunday that Mixon had been investigated last year in another homicide case in Alameda County. Details of that slaying were not immediately released, but prosecutors found there was not enough evidence to charge him.
He dropped out of school in Oakland in the ninth grade, and at age 18 pleaded guilty to taking part in a gunpoint robbery in San Francisco.
Lovelle Mixon used a semiautomatic pistol to shoot and kill Hege and Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, two motorcycle officers who pulled him over during a routine traffic stop. Two hours later, Mixon, who was holed up in his sister's nearby apartment, opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle, killing SWAT team sergeants Ervin Romans, 43, and Daniel Sakai, 35.
Law enforcement authorities revealed Sunday that Mixon had been investigated last year in another homicide case in Alameda County. Details of that slaying were not immediately released, but prosecutors found there was not enough evidence to charge him.
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Is the word "black" used here to describe the person (irrelevant) or your own beliefs?
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You must be the most lame brained idiot whiney liberal fuck on the entire planet.
YOU say that the fact he WAS on the street is the result of failure of the penal policies I support?!? If he'd been in jail, like I say he should have been, how the FUCK could he have committed the additional crimes? Think it through asshole.
I say the fucker that killed those cops should never have been on the street. Sine he WAS on the street, MY method of dealing with habitual criminals that include violent crimes was not even tried - therefore could not have failed.
Violent criminal with a record of habitual criminal activity = KEEP IN JAIL. In jail = not on the street killing people. It really is quite simple.