Russia in the USA infrastructure grid is a gun to our head

The ongoing massive Russian cyber attack and destroying the USA from within

And according to these investigative journalists, our agencies are not really protecting us.

https://gaslitnation.libsyn.com/traitors-and-patriots

While everyone is treating this like a minor story, it may become the biggest story of the day.

Someone (almost certainly the Russians) were let into our cyber networks, and could probably do a lot of damage if they wanted to. They seem very connected to whether trump wins or not. Now that he is not winning, they may well attack.
 
While everyone is treating this like a minor story, it may become the biggest story of the day.

Someone (almost certainly the Russians) were let into our cyber networks, and could probably do a lot of damage if they wanted to. They seem very connected to whether trump wins or not. Now that he is not winning, they may well attack.

It is a leverage (blackmail/gun to our heads/over a barrel) that is enormous! Listen to the audio if you haven't...these journalists know what they are talking about. Trump is a racketeer connected to an international crime ring and our government knows this.
 
I remember the alarms going off about our failure to do infrastructure right starting I think it was 1978.

Almost never did anyone care.
 
It is a leverage (blackmail/gun to our heads/over a barrel) that is enormous! Listen to the audio if you haven't...these journalists know what they are talking about. Trump is a racketeer connected to an international crime ring and our government knows this.

I just spent ten minutes writing a detailed post about what happened, and then deleting it. I really do not want to get caught in this. At the very least, the companies involved are extremely litigious, and potentially violent. Maybe the violent is me just being paranoid, but a Capitol Police officer was just beaten to death, and Russia is murdering people without worry.

I will just say no matter what you have heard, the truth is so much stranger, and more scary.
 
Sink two aircraft carriers and knock out the electric grid is the most the Empire will have to do to gain our compliance.

Way too easy.
 
Several years ago Putin told the Chinese that the West is ready to fall....the Chinese were skeptical.

No More.
 
Sink two aircraft carriers and knock out the electric grid is the most the Empire will have to do to gain our compliance.

Way too easy.

Aircraft carriers are surprisingly difficult to sink. They have so many airtight compartments, well, it is a lot easier to kill everyone on board than to sink them. You are talking about the Chinese killing ten thousand people or so, which will make surrender unacceptable to Americans. Maybe it would be acceptable to you, but not to the type of Americans who do not forget major terrorist attacks after a few years.

This would mean a severe war.
 
Aircraft carriers are surprisingly difficult to sink. They have so many airtight compartments, well, it is a lot easier to kill everyone on board than to sink them. You are talking about the Chinese killing ten thousand people or so, which will make surrender unacceptable to Americans. Maybe it would be acceptable to you, but not to the type of Americans who do not forget major terrorist attacks after a few years.

This would mean a severe war.

Aircraft carriers are yet one more American colossal mistake at this point.

And its certainly not like our military elite were not warned.

They simply refused to track.
 
Aircraft carriers are yet one more American colossal mistake at this point.

Aircraft carriers are the way that America, and only America, can project that level of power anywhere in the world. Other countries are trying to catch up, but are decades behind.

On the other hand, they are a huge target. They are quite frankly small cities that we move anywhere in the world, which means that we move a small city to parts of the world that can be scary. That could end up being a disaster.

Aircraft carriers are a mixed blessing, but are one of the main reasons we are currently the only true global superpower.
 
Aircraft carriers are the way that America, and only America, can project that level of power anywhere in the world. Other countries are trying to catch up, but are decades behind.

On the other hand, they are a huge target. They are quite frankly small cities that we move anywhere in the world, which means that we move a small city to parts of the world that can be scary. That could end up being a disaster.

Aircraft carriers are a mixed blessing, but are one of the main reasons we are currently the only true global superpower.

Aircraft carriers are very expensive and concentrate our assets which tends to be dumb and they now have low survivability and all the empire needs to do is sink two, which should not take more than a week.
 
Aircraft carriers are very expensive and concentrate our assets which tends to be dumb and they now have low survivability and all the empire needs to do is sink two, which should not take more than a week.

I agree with the beginning of what you say, but then you drift off. They tend to stand far off, so they do not have as low of a survivability rate as you claim. Technology may change rapidly, but right now it is not as bad as you claim. That is the reason China is desperately trying to get aircraft carriers, because they are not the obvious mistake you claim.

Once the first aircraft carrier would be destroyed, we would get much more protective of the other ten or so of them. So it would be even more difficult to take out the second one.

But more importantly, taking out an aircraft carrier would be a direct act of war, meaning total warfare in return. A cyber attack is hard to pin blame on. We would strongly suspect Russia, but is it reasonable to drop bombs over a "strong suspicion"? If China starts blatantly attacking aircraft carriers and killing ten thousand Americans or more, they can expect us to start bombing their cities.

And I do not see an obvious gain for all this. The Chinese are looking for obvious gains, and that is just not here.
 
I agree with the beginning of what you say, but then you drift off. They tend to stand far off, so they do not have as low of a survivability rate as you claim. Technology may change rapidly, but right now it is not as bad as you claim. That is the reason China is desperately trying to get aircraft carriers, because they are not the obvious mistake you claim.

Once the first aircraft carrier would be destroyed, we would get much more protective of the other ten or so of them. So it would be even more difficult to take out the second one.

But more importantly, taking out an aircraft carrier would be a direct act of war, meaning total warfare in return. A cyber attack is hard to pin blame on. We would strongly suspect Russia, but is it reasonable to drop bombs over a "strong suspicion"? If China starts blatantly attacking aircraft carriers and killing ten thousand Americans or more, they can expect us to start bombing their cities.

And I do not see an obvious gain for all this. The Chinese are looking for obvious gains, and that is just not here.

Humiliating America is the gain, this is what the Empire is after and will accomplish.
 
Reasons A U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier Is One Of The Safest Places To Be In A War
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...safest-places-to-be-in-a-war/?sh=6e02533a2f7a

Carrier air wings can destroy enemy combat systems before they get near. A typical carrier air wing contains dozens of F/A-18 and F-35 fighters equipped with sophisticated sensors and precision-guided weapons. It will also contain radar planes that can see threats hundreds of miles away, and “Growler” electronic warfare aircraft capable of jamming enemy radar and communications. These airframes greatly outclass the forces they will be facing, and can intercept attackers long before they get within targeting range of a carrier.

Carrier sensors are netted with other friendly assets. The Navy has spent decades figuring out how to connect all of its scattered warfighting assets into a single integrated network. So deployed carriers won’t just be relying on their organic sensors to detect threats; they will receive continuous information from surface and undersea warships, from manned and unmanned aircraft, and even from orbiting reconnaissance satellites. Not only will the carrier have detailed awareness of potential dangers, but it will be able to use weapons on remote warships to intercept threats that may be beyond the reach of its on-board systems.

Carriers never deploy alone. Whether they are traveling to the Western Pacific or the Persian Gulf or the North Sea, U.S. carriers never deploy without escorts. These included multiple surface combatants equipped with the world’s most advanced air and missile defenses, plus nuclear-powered attack subs that are unsurpassed in their ability to find and destroy hostile warships on or under the sea’s surface. The surface warships are being upgraded with a new generation of weapons for intercepting overhead threats and a radar a hundred times more powerful than the legacy system. The submarines are continuously improved to stay ahead of undersea rivals such as the Russian navy.

Carrier defenses are layered to provide in-depth protection. Carrier strike groups arrange their defensive perimeters in layers that reach out hundreds of miles, so that any enemy seeking to get within targeting range must overcome multiple hurdles. That applies to hostile missiles, manned aircraft, submarines or any other potentially threatening system. The virtue of layered defense is that no layer needs to be perfect to protect the carrier. For instance, if each of three layers is 80% effective, the number of successful penetrators (.2 times .2 times .2) would likely be less than one in a hundred.

Carriers are nearly impossible to sink. Because of their vast size, U.S. aircraft carriers have hundreds of water-tight compartments. They also have thousands of tons of armoring, and redundancy built into major on-board systems such as the electrical wiring. So that one weapon that might penetrate a layered defense isn’t likely to do great damage to the carrier. The vessel won’t sink, and the crew will probably be able to work around whatever damage is incurred to continue performing their mission. The size of the carrier that some pundits fear makes it vulnerable to attack actually makes it more resilient than any other warship.

Carriers have extensive on-board defenses. In addition to the “passive” defenses mentioned in the previous paragraph, each carrier is equipped with active defenses that include multiple air defense radars, surface-to-air missiles, automated guns for dealing with sea-skimming threats, electronic warfare systems for deceiving the sensors and disrupting the command links of incoming threats, and an anti-torpedo system. The Navy has decided to eliminate the anti-torpedo system, but the other organic defensive systems on U.S. carriers are diverse and highly effective.

Secrecy complicates attack plans. Navy insiders say that many of the defensive features incorporated into U.S. carriers are never publicly disclosed. That means that any plan to attack a carrier involves guesswork about what countermeasures might have to be overcome. Aggressors are burdened with so many potential requirements for penetrating to the carrier that in most cases they will be deterred from even trying.

The Ford class of carriers will contain additional defensive advantages. The Navy has begun taking delivery of a new class of aircraft carriers providing even better protection than the already formidable Nimitz class which comprises the current fleet. For instance, the Ford class will provide over 600 megawatts of electricity to power on-board sensors, networks and warfighting systems. The added power may one day facilitate installation of high-power lasers, electromagnetic railguns, and other exotic weapons for which enemies currently have no counters.
 
Humiliating America is the gain, this is what the Empire is after and will accomplish.

Their economy would take a hit greater than the great depression. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of their people would be dead. They are willing to take minor hits to humiliate America, but nothing this big.

A war with China does not start because they want to start a war with the USA. A war with China starts because they think they can get away with something, and then can't. So lets say they think they can seize Taiwan, but we stand up for Taiwan. That is the way a war between us starts.

And that is what made trump so dangerous. One second he is selling out our allies, and then he is immediately doing the opposite. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Their economy would take a hit greater than the great depression. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of their people would be dead. They are willing to take minor hits to humiliate America, but nothing this big.

A war with China does not start because they want to start a war with the USA. A war with China starts because they think they can get away with something, and then can't. So lets say they think they can seize Taiwan, but we stand up for Taiwan. That is the way a war between us starts.

And that is what made trump so dangerous. One second he is selling out our allies, and then he is immediately doing the opposite. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
no it doesn't -any war would be in the South China Sea where we conflict with their East/South China Sea ADIZ
which backs up their 9 dash line claims
 
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