Impeachment but non-removal

Darth Omar said:
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How many constitutional and institutional norms are going to be run over [by democrats] in the age of Trump?

No need to be a constitutional scholar to understand that the primary purpose of impeachment is removal from office. Otherwise, what’s the point? Impeachment becomes a censure vote with a ribbon tied around it.

That’s what Impeachment 1.0 was—a House censure vote with a ribbon tied around it. It was barely mentioned by the Biden campaign because by then it didn’t mean anything. What if you whiff on a Senate conviction *twice* on the same President?

I’ve said this before: Democrats clearly can’t help themselves, but they are going to run afoul with moderates with this impeachment push. There’s no point in it. Trump is out of office in 48 hours. Not all voters loathe Trump and you never know, you might even need a few disaffected Trump voters in the midterms. I have a strong hunch you’re going to need more than a few. This is NOT the way to get them.
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Why weren't fucks like you concerned about the Constitution when Trump was wiping his ass with it????
 
Phantasmal said:
61, you have no idea how important this is to keep other Presidents from committing crimes against our country in the last days of their presidency. He incited an angry group of people to try to stop or delay the certification of the vote. They were shouting hang Mike Pence. You act like this was a lie about a blow job, it wasn’t. This is high crimes.
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It may *seem* important to you and all the liberal talking heads that talk back and forth to one another but there are 70 million voters who might want to have a say in it.

This is supposed to be a constitutional republic that isn’t guided [ruled, actually] by the whims of a mob. The constitution stipulates that only a sitting president can be convicted and removed from office. Common sense says the same thing.

Enough with making up the rules as we go along ‘cuz Trump’. You goof balls have done enough damage already.
 
Phantasmal said:
61, you have no idea how important this is to keep other Presidents from committing crimes against our country in the last days of their presidency. He incited an angry group of people to try to stop or delay the certification of the vote. They were shouting hang Mike Pence. You act like this was a lie about a blow job, it wasn’t. This is high crimes.
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no incitement. he advocated they go to the Capitol and fight for their country.
I've heard the same about "fight for civil rights" at Capitol/Mall demonstrations

As usual "Orange man bad" is the Dems level of thought -but the blame is on the rioters -not Trump
 
Darth Omar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1350884944466370562

How many constitutional and institutional norms are going to be run over [by democrats] in the age of Trump?

No need to be a constitutional scholar to understand that the primary purpose of impeachment is removal from office. Otherwise, what’s the point? Impeachment becomes a censure vote with a ribbon tied around it.

That’s what Impeachment 1.0 was—a House censure vote with a ribbon tied around it. It was barely mentioned by the Biden campaign because by then it didn’t mean anything. What if you whiff on a Senate conviction *twice* on the same President?

I’ve said this before: Democrats clearly can’t help themselves, but they are going to run afoul with moderates with this impeachment push. There’s no point in it. Trump is out of office in 48 hours. Not all voters loathe Trump and you never know, you might even need a few disaffected Trump voters in the midterms. I have a strong hunch you’re going to need more than a few. This is NOT the way to get them.
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How many constitutional and institutional norms have been run over by Trump?

He’s a traitor and an enemy of democracy. The point is, 61, to send a message to future dictator wannabees, that you can’t run from abuse of power at ANY time.
 
Darth Omar said:
It may *seem* important to you and all the liberal talking heads that talk back and forth to one another but there are 70 million voters who might want to have a say in it.

This is supposed to be a constitutional republic that isn’t guided [ruled, actually] by the whims of a mob. The constitution stipulates that only a sitting president can be convicted and removed from office. Common sense says the same thing.

Enough with making up the rules as we go along ‘cuz Trump’. You goof balls have done enough damage already.
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The damage done to our nation is all Trump, 61, thank goodness ness he didn’t get another four years.
 
Sailor said:
Have you ever known a modern day Democrat politician that has actually finished something? They are good at talking shit, stirring things up and then running on to the next "crisis". Never finishing a job. They know their constituents have the attention span of a flea and they capitalize on that.
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The Democrats have won the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential Elections.
Seems like America likes 'The Modern Day Democrat' even though you don't.
 
anatta said:
no incitement. he advocated they go to the Capitol and fight for their country.
I've heard the same about "fight for civil rights" at Capitol/Mall demonstrations

As usual "Orange man bad" is the Dems level of thought -but the blame is on the rioters -not Trump
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They conjured it.

Or if they want to play that game, ask them who incited the Floyd riots.
 
Darth Omar said:
Did Trump have the IC run informants on the Biden campaign while we weren’t watching?
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Was the Biden campaign in close communication with Russian agents?

No. The Biden campaign was not.

Was the Trump campaign in close communication with Russian agents?

Yes, it was.
 
domer76 said:
How many constitutional and institutional norms have been run over by Trump?

He’s a traitor and an enemy of democracy. The point is, 61, to send a message to future dictator wannabees, that you can’t run from abuse of power at ANY time.
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How many times was Trump’s FBI reprimanded for *abusing power*? Just for starters.

And they pretty much got away with it, huh?
 
Darth Omar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1350884944466370562

How many constitutional and institutional norms are going to be run over [by democrats] in the age of Trump?

No need to be a constitutional scholar to understand that the primary purpose of impeachment is removal from office. Otherwise, what’s the point? Impeachment becomes a censure vote with a ribbon tied around it.

That’s what Impeachment 1.0 was—a House censure vote with a ribbon tied around it. It was barely mentioned by the Biden campaign because by then it didn’t mean anything. What if you whiff on a Senate conviction *twice* on the same President?

I’ve said this before: Democrats clearly can’t help themselves, but they are going to run afoul with moderates with this impeachment push. There’s no point in it. Trump is out of office in 48 hours. Not all voters loathe Trump and you never know, you might even need a few disaffected Trump voters in the midterms. I have a strong hunch you’re going to need more than a few. This is NOT the way to get them.
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If Impeaching Donald Trump don't have any significance as you suggest- THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TRUMPTARDED IDIOTS ALL STEWING IN YOUR OWN SHIT ABOUT IT?

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

IMPEACHMENT IS A DUTY OF CONGRESS- A DUTY TO THIS NATION- AND CONGRESS IS VOWED TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THIS NATION TO INVOKE IT TO REMOVE A PRESIDENT THAT DOES NOT UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, AND COMMITS HIGH CRIMES AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

If Republican Senator Leader Mitch McConnell did not violate his oath of office by not convicting DOnald Trump a year ago during Donald Trump's first impeachment, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM OFFICE THEN AND YOU REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE HAD TO SELECT SOMEONE THAT COULD HAVE ACTUALLY WON THE 2020 ELECTION FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SUCKERS! YOU GOT WHAT YOU Deserved! LOSERS!
 
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What's the "point"?

It's just the right thing to do. Trump's rhetoric almost ended the republic. Democrats (and some Republicans) are acting on principle - not calculating what would be better for them in the next election.
 
Darth Omar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1350884944466370562

How many constitutional and institutional norms are going to be run over [by democrats] in the age of Trump?

No need to be a constitutional scholar to understand that the primary purpose of impeachment is removal from office. Otherwise, what’s the point? Impeachment becomes a censure vote with a ribbon tied around it.

That’s what Impeachment 1.0 was—a House censure vote with a ribbon tied around it. It was barely mentioned by the Biden campaign because by then it didn’t mean anything. What if you whiff on a Senate conviction *twice* on the same President?

I’ve said this before: Democrats clearly can’t help themselves, but they are going to run afoul with moderates with this impeachment push. There’s no point in it. Trump is out of office in 48 hours. Not all voters loathe Trump and you never know, you might even need a few disaffected Trump voters in the midterms. I have a strong hunch you’re going to need more than a few. This is NOT the way to get them.
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Fucking bullshit. There are virtually no moderates that don't support impeachment. I would rather not ever for a Democrat again, but the GOP's support and enabling of Trump has made me weary of them ever holding any power. If the President can foment an attack on the congress, and congress does not impeach him then congress is not the superior branch it was intended to be (coequal is a myth).
 
BartenderElite said:
What's the "point"?

It's just the right thing to do. Trump's rhetoric almost ended the republic. Democrats (and some Republicans) are acting on principle - not calculating what would be better for them in the next election.
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Isn’t preventing Trump from winning the next election the whole point lol?

And please, enough with democrats ‘acting on principle’. After the last four years that’s like a punch line to a bad joke. While I’m at, I reject the premise that Trump ‘caused’ anyone to riot. I refuse to play these games any more. The only *actual evidence* there is of anyone ‘causing people to riot’ is the leftist joker who videoed himself provoking others to act unlawfully.

And where is he? Out on bail. Probably has a damn GoFundMe and you want to ‘post remove’ Trump from an office he won’t even be occupying for something you can’t even prove he’s guilty of.

I’ve had enough of this nonsense.
 
Darth Omar said:
Isn’t preventing Trump from winning the next election the whole point lol?

And please, enough with democrats ‘acting on principle’. After the last four years that’s like a punch line to a bad joke. While I’m at, I reject the premise that Trump ‘caused’ anyone to riot. I refuse to play these games any more. The only *actual evidence* there is of anyone ‘causing people to riot’ is the leftist joker who videoed himself provoking others to act unlawfully.

And where is he? Out on bail. Probably has a damn GoFundMe and you want to ‘post remove’ Trump from an office he won’t even be occupying for something you can’t even prove he’s guilty of.

I’ve had enough of this nonsense.
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We've had enough of criminal Trump.
 
Darth Omar said:
Isn’t preventing Trump from winning the next election the whole point lol?

And please, enough with democrats ‘acting on principle’. After the last four years that’s like a punch line to a bad joke. While I’m at, I reject the premise that Trump ‘caused’ anyone to riot. I refuse to play these games any more. The only *actual evidence* there is of anyone ‘causing people to riot’ is the leftist joker who videoed himself provoking others to act unlawfully.

And where is he? Out on bail. Probably has a damn GoFundMe and you want to ‘post remove’ Trump from an office he won’t even be occupying for something you can’t even prove he’s guilty of.

I’ve had enough of this nonsense.
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I can't even comprehend the bolded.

Of course Trump was responsible for what happened. On every single level. The idea that he isn't accountable for that is preposterous.

His rhetoric is a textbook case for incitement.
 
BartenderElite said:
I can't even comprehend the bolded.

Of course Trump was responsible for what happened. On every single level. The idea that he isn't accountable for that is preposterous.

His rhetoric is a textbook case for incitement.
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You’re trying to impeach him on rhetoric.

The only reason anyone [that isn’t already determined to impeach] is going along or will go along with it is for sheer politics. Being on the ‘otherside’ of Trump is the political sweet spot right right now. The other reason is they don’t want to be on the wrong side of it.

It’s one of the reasons congress has a 26% approval rating.

If Democrats want to start with impeaching people for ‘incitement’ I would suggest they give Kamala Harris a glance. I seem to recall she ‘incited the rioters’ last summer by the exact same standard that’s being applied to Trump.

Or is this one of those ‘oh, but that’s different’ moments? Or it is because inciting BLM protesters to riot is ‘ok’?
 
Darth Omar said:
You’re trying to impeach him on rhetoric.

The only reason anyone [that isn’t already determined to impeach] is going along or will go along with it is for sheer politics. Being on the ‘otherside’ of Trump is the political sweet spot right right now. The other reason is they don’t want to be on the wrong side of it.

It’s one of the reasons congress has a 26% approval rating.

If Democrats want to start with impeaching people for ‘incitement’ I would suggest they give Kamala Harris a glance. I seem to recall she ‘incited the rioters’ last summer by the exact same standard that’s being applied to Trump.

Or is this one of those ‘oh, but that’s different’ moments? Or it is because inciting BLM protesters to riot is ‘ok’?
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The whataboutism is off the charts since 1/6.

Harris denounced the riots. She was encouraging protest.

And nothing related to BLM came close to resembling an insurrection at our Capitol. They actually showed a guy yesterday right outside the chamber during the riot saying, "we may as well set up a new government now."

There is literally zero comparison, whatsoever. There is a reason Presidential candidates concede elections when they lose them. It's not easy to do, but it's the only way to heal the country after a hard-fought contest. Trump went the opposite direction, and we saw the results last Wednesday.
 
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