Can you impeach a former president ?

Tinker said:
The answer is pretty straight forward actually.

He has been impeached and yes it will continue after he is out of office although there is a rule that a person can't be tossed out of office before a senate trial concludes so we will see if Trump tries that.

Either way the only penalty that congress can impose on him is the inability to ever hold federal office again so basically it is a complete waste of time.

They just want to make a dumb political statement instead of actually running the nation.

And this is going to completely tie up the senate.

Even Biden thinks it was stupid because it effectively stops his administration cold.

Since democrats control the house they have a little control over the speed of the trial but republicans can still delay it for quite a long time.

Ultimately the democrats will have to call for a vote without a thorough investigation being done and if found guilty then Trump would take it to the Supreme Court.

So the democrats kind of fucked themselves here and they have midterms in two years. If they don't get anything done there is zero chance of them keeping congress.
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Incorrect. But I'm not surprised that you know so little


No. No they cannot
 
Tinker said:
They can't just ignore it because Trump is allowed a defense so there are certain procedures which have to be followed like allowing unlimited witness to testify.

If the democrats don't allow that and rush a vote there can't be a conviction due to them not allowing a fair trial.

It will go down in history as two failed impeachments by the democrats which make them look like the fools they are.
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Are you really this clueless?
 
Walt said:
The Constitution does not say that, and in this case says that it is solely for the Congress to decide.

The first point is actually interesting here. The Constitution does not specifically say that the Supreme Court is the sole decider of the Constitutions language. It does specifically allow the courts to apply the laws in individual cases... With the sole exceptions of impeachment cases, rules of Congress, and discipline within the Congress. They are not granted much beyond that. They claimed more power for deciding language of the Constitution in Marbury v. Madison, but have never gone beyond those exceptions.
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Yes, Marbury established the principle of judicial review over statutory law. That’s the question here, except in this case it’s interpretation of The Constitution, exclusive prerogative at end of the day of the SC. Open and shut.
 
martin said:
Why don't you spend a little more time learning things and a little less insulting those who embarrass you by showing they know more than you do. Just makes you look dumber. Impeachment is a single stage in a two stage process, and it has been fully accomplished.
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He's just repeating something he's heard elsewhere.
 
again for the morons here being impeached by the house is like a district Attorney bringing charges against you but you are not arrested for it and it carry's no penalty , it has to go to the senate who either don't vote on it votes for it or votes against it, unless the senate votes for it it has no teeth so to speak and is a complete waste of time,and effort .

now there is a bit of controversy if a former President can be impeached as he is no longer in office . Also if found guilty in the senate which would require a 2/3 rds majority ( good luck with that one) he could only be removed from office which he will already be out of office.
Another vote would be needed to actually keep him from running again which scares the hell out of democrats because they know the big biter will be fucking things up and hurt the nation.

Lot of legal questions here that can be a factor, democrats have come to power and think they are little Hitlers now and just do as they wish .

I doubt trump would run again any way hes getting up in age and probably will not have the energy or desire to do so in 4 years.
 
Hello Bulletbob,

Bulletbob said:
Can you impeach a former president ? Can a private citizen be impeached ?
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He has already been impeached.

The question is should the Senate try him after he is out of office.

I would say yes.

The result of a conviction could take away his benefits and prevent him from ever holding public office again.
 
CASPER said:
Quote where the Constitution says any such thing. I have a copy of the Constitution hanging above my desk, so I doubt you will teach me anything on the document, but swing away if you feel lucky.
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Really? You are full of shit. Article 2, section 4. Get some school kid to read it to you dumb fuck. Show me where it says Congress can impeach a private citizen.
 
Walt said:
What the Constitution is clear about is who gets to decide about the trial, and that is the Senate. The Constitution specifically says that it is the Senate solely who decides.

I agree that the Constitution is unclear as to the details of the trial, and whether the trial can happen after trump leaves office, but it is super clear as to who decides the answer. If trump has a problem with how this progresses, he can bring it up with the Senate.
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I seem to remember a lot of talk about how Roberts could have ordered witnesses in the first Senate trial, but opted to steer clear of doing so. Following precedent, as it were.

I have to wonder if that gives the court the right to step in during the trial phase?
 
Walt said:
On one level, I want trump running in 2024. he was not totally repudiated in 2020, just repudiated. I would like to see him totally repudiated. But he has a bad habit of tearing America apart, which I do not like.

So yes, I agree with Uncle, I could go either way. The Senate will work it out.

And in reality, I am saying that I want the Republicans to work it out. With only 50 seats, Democrats would need the Republicans' tacit support to get to two thirds. Maybe Republicans will just not be there to vote against it, thus tacitly supporting it. If Republicans are fine with keeping trump, I figure they get what they deserve.
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I agree with the political logic here, but in 4 years trump is going to be broken...if he's even alive. His life has suddenly gotten very complex beyond the impeachment issue.

He's going to be a very old, severely delusional individual.
 
Sailor said:
Really? You are full of shit. Article 2, section 4. Get some school kid to read it to you dumb fuck. Show me where it says Congress can impeach a private citizen.
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He is already Impeached, Moron. Show where the trial has to take place before they leave office, yeah, we know you got nothing, and that is all you ever have.
 
CASPER said:
He is already Impeached, Moron. Show where the trial has to take place before they leave office, yeah, we know you got nothing, and that is all you ever have.
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What did I tell you? Get a kid to read it for you. You obviously cannot read nor comprehend. No surprise there.
 
Althea said:
I seem to remember a lot of talk about how Roberts could have ordered witnesses in the first Senate trial,
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The Senate would obviously not go along with this.
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6 of the Constitution states that the Senate has" the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

Roberts is merely a presiding officer -the Senate runs the trial as it's a stated plenary power
 
Hello Bulletbob,

Bulletbob said:
no it has not impeachment is like filing a charge by the da its meaningless unless a judge and a jury fine a person guilty . The senate has not done so and trump will not be president by the time they can, he will be a private citizen. Democrats don't control the constitution or the law . I didnt insult or use foul language on forums till I came here and was harassed by you liberals such as biden president who hd told me several times to go fuck my self so I am just acting like him and other liberals
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I am a liberal and have been nothing but respectful to you.

And just because somebody else did something wrong does not make it OK for you to do it too.

That's the worst defense in the world.

A defendant is standing before a judge, charged with looting.

"What have you got to say for yourself, son?"

"Everybody else was doing it!"

"Guilty as charged" is the reply.
 
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Red Jenkins said:
No private citizens cannot be impeached.
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A private citizen would face criminal charges for inciting an insurrection.
 
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