NOT ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION ,BUT SINCE WHEN HAVE THE CHINACRATS FOLLOWED THAT?
THEY COMPLETELY IGNORED ARTICLE II TO FACILLITATE THEIR "MAIL IN" ELECTION THEFT, COURTESY OF RED CHINA.
Can you impeach a former president ?
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NOT ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION ,BUT SINCE WHEN HAVE THE CHINACRATS FOLLOWED THAT?
THEY COMPLETELY IGNORED ARTICLE II TO FACILLITATE THEIR "MAIL IN" ELECTION THEFT, COURTESY OF RED CHINA.
There is power, only power......everything else is just conversation.
Why do I care what that means?
I was answering the question in the OP which has nothing to do with your off topic shit.
Because the correct understanding of reality always did matter.
Why does it matter? trump has been impeached (for a second time) before he left office. The trial will happen after he leaves office.
Trials can only be held if there is a material decision to be made. For instance, if a suspect dies, the trial is usually ended. No point in deciding whether someone goes to prison, if they are dead and will not go to prison.
At first, that would sound like the impeachment trial should end. trump would already be removed from office, so why have a trial to decide if he should be removed from office. There is a second thing to decide, whether trump should be banned from office. That is a real material issue.
If Democrats are thinking purely of self interest, they would prefer he be allowed to run again. trump will definitely get the nomination in 2024, and just as certainly lose the general election. That is the perfect combination for Democrats. But Democrats are also thinking of the country, so will probably vote to convict.
If Republicans are thinking purely of self interest, and it were a secret vote, they would vote to convict, for above reasons. trump is tearing the Republican Party apart. The problem is Republicans cannot be seen to be against trump, or they will be destroyed in primaries.
So look to Democrats voting to convict, and Republicans suddenly being called away from town.
trump has been impeached, so it has to go to the Senate. It would be unconstitutional to not take the impeachment to the Senate. The Senate does not have to vote on it. They can ignore it completely, or just have a vote on it without a thorough investigation.
It is odd that you accuse Democrats of not wanting a thorough investigation. Last time around it was Republicans who did not want a thorough investigation, and almost certainly it will be Republicans again. A thorough investigation will dredge up all sorts of bad things for Republicans.
trump may try to take this to the Supreme Court, but the Constitution and the precedence is pretty strong that the Supreme Court has no say on the matter. In other words, it will just be a waste of time and money.
An impeachment is like an indictment. trump has been impeached. Leaving office will not change that. It has already happened, in the past tense. After the impeachment, or indictment, there is a trial. Maybe Republicans can stop the trial, because that will happen after trump leaves office. If trump dies, then the trial will definitely end. But there is no way to reverse the impeachment. It has completely happened.
trump was impeached when he was president. The impeachment trial would happen sometime in the future, but the impeachment has already happened.
As long as there is a material issue to be settled, usually trials continue. So as long as trump could run for office, the trial would usually continue. If trump died, I see no reason for a trial.
After a little thought, I will add that neither of us get to make this decision. The Supreme Court does not get to make this decision. The House does not get to make this decision. It is the Senate who makes this decision. If the Senate sees no need for a trial, for any reason, there is no appeal. If the Senate decides on a trial, likewise, there is no appeal.
We can all whine about it all we want, but the Senate decides for their own reasons.
They can't just ignore it because Trump is allowed a defense so there are certain procedures which have to be followed like allowing unlimited witness to testify.
If the democrats don't allow that and rush a vote there can't be a conviction due to them not allowing a fair trial.
It will go down in history as two failed impeachments by the democrats which make them look like the fools they are.
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If you insist on giving people who've been voted out a few extra months to cause trouble, it seems a bit naive to allow one of them to commit treason without penalty, doesn't it?
You are correct, you folks make up so much shit it's impossible to keep up with it all.
No. Not constitutionally. Remember we are dealing with Democrats here. They have no clue what the constitution is.
Poopeye, the constitutional genius.
Actually, no they are not. trump's defense is only allowed the time that the Senate is willing to give them. That was made clear to Clinton. In general, the Senate is supposed to be fair, but there is absolutely no oversight of that. The Supreme Court has no right to review the Senate's decision.
The precedent on this is Nixon v US, which oddly has nothing to do with Richard Nixon. Judge Walter Nixon was impeached without testimony being heard in front of the entire Senate, and without being given much chance of a defense. He sued and was told that the Supreme Court had no say in the case whatsoever. There were no dissenting opinions. Not one judge found that he had a right.
It is a political process, not a legal process, and certainly not a criminal legal process. Think of it like a confirmation hearing, where Republicans have been known to refuse any statement by the appointee, and to unconstitutionally refuse even a vote. The problem Democrats have is there is no one to appeal the Senates acts in confirmation hearings, and there is no one to appeal in impeachment hearings either.
If Schumer cannot get the votes to convict, he can always put off the vote for as long as it takes. That is not success, but it is not failure either.
By Definition he has already been impeached for the second time, the Senate trial will not take place until after he is out but there is nothing preventing it.
There certainly is. It is called the Constitution. I am sure someone can hold a special needs class for you and other lefties on that document.
Hey Captain, you might enlighten us with your brilliants.
Yes of course you can and while not a president impeachments after office have been done before. see this is the problem with guys like you you're so damn uneducated the world just confuses you
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What does the Constitution say, Bob?