Killers love guns

[Lowaicue]

Then why do you think that it is only America, of all 'civilised' nations that insists on owning a device designed purely to kill. Unless you have invented a gun that can carry me to the pub.
Why have you never heard an Englishman or a Frenchman dare someone to take their gun from their cold, dead hands. Do all Americans REALLY believe they are little John Waynes or that life is merely a rehearsal for their true destiny as Hollywood film stars?
Sometimes uniqueness has a value, more often than not uniqueness is a sign of insanity.

Guns are also for shooting skeet, hunting for next winter's venison roast, getting the husband out of the house on a weekend, bonding father, son and grandson, gaining the satisfaction of mastering a skill.

If all you can focus on is the negative use of guns, then I can focus on the negative use of cars. The are both instruments of destruction, if that is how you MUST see it.

I see them both as instruments, to be used as the operator wants. It is the operator who must be kept from using them in a destructive manner.

That being said, I do believe that there are some guns that just plain need to be banned. But if you want to take away my husband's shotguns, to paraphrase Charlton Heston, you'll have to pry them out of his cold, dead hands.

 

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You seem to have a real problem staying on topic. We ain't debating javelins.

Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24.

Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries.

In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

If a child's toy or a food product caused that kind of mayhem, it would have been banned long ago.

your analogy is wholly incorrect....a gun does not kill people or murder people....guns do not go trial, people do. your analogy is the toy or food CAUSED the mayhem....it is NOT the misuse of that toy or food that caused the death, but the inherently dangerousness of that product.

 

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You seem to have a real problem staying on topic. We ain't debating javelins.

Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24.

Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries.

In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

If a child's toy or a food product caused that kind of mayhem, it would have been banned long ago.

First of all, banning guns will not stop suicides. If someone wants to kill themselves, they will kill themselves.

Second of all, if you are going to quote the 11,920 homicides, you need to be able to tell us which ones were killed by legally owned firearms by people who are legal gun owners. Otherwise your gun ban will have no effect. Those who cannot legally own guns and killed with illegal firearms would not be effected by your ban.

The consumer product thing is ridiculous.

As for the number of kids being killed each year, that is indeed a tragedy. And if a kid died because of his parents leaving medicines or poisons out, you would be screaming about the parent's responsibility. But if they leave a loaded gun out, you scream to ban guns.

There are 63 million legal gun owners in the US. There are 30k gun deaths.

If the 30k were ALL murdered by legal gun owners (which they were not), then only 0.048% of legal gun owners have murdered anyone.

99.96% of the gun owners have not killed anyone at all. And you want to take the guns away from the 99.96%?? (and that is ONLY if all the murders were committed by legal gun owners.

 

[egordon0315]

Do you have "Black Power!" and "Kill Whitey" bumper stickers on the back of your pimp-mobile?

Donctha' just hate it when people apply stereotypes to you when they don't apply to you? Maybe you don't. But I do.

Someone smarter than you or me could probably tell us what the framers of the Constitution meant, maybe a constitutional scholar...or maybe a clairvoyant. I understand and respect your interpretation. My interpretation is that "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed". It affirms "the right of the people to bear arms", and states that it is a right, and doesn't just apply to being a militia. And it probably never applied to an invasion.

By the way, get your honkies straight: I never claimed that gun ownership would ever stop an invasion. Who ever said that, anyway?

By the way, I am glad that you oppose gun ownership. It's your people that kill the most anyway with guns, isn't it?

There's that stereotype again. Dont'cha just hate it?

Did you have a "Charlton Heston is My President" sticker on your pick-em-up truck?

The writers of the Constitution did not mean the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for their personal use; the 2nd Amendment was to protect the new country from invasion.


Do you really think that a bunch of yahoos like you with shotguns, rifles and handguns are going to stop a military force from doing what ever it damn well pleases?

Unless you have the weaponry needed to take out tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters and low flying aircraft, and the organizational structure needed to coordinate the use of said weaponry, you might as well stay home and surrender.

 

[egordon0315]

Oh, Low, didn't the british (or was it the french) that delivered us the duel?

Guns maybe have been designed purely to kill.

But it has become a sport now. And a means of hunting. ANd maybe a way to self-protect.

But it is the operators who need to be managed. Not the guns removed from the responsible.

Read my other posts.

Then why do you think that it is only America, of all 'civilised' nations that insists on owning a device designed purely to kill. Unless you have invented a gun that can carry me to the pub.
Why have you never heard an Englishman or a Frenchman dare someone to take their gun from their cold, dead hands. Do all Americans REALLY believe they are little John Waynes or that life is merely a rehearsal for their true destiny as Hollywood film stars?
Sometimes uniqueness has a value, more often than not uniqueness is a sign of insanity.

 

[egordon0315]

THat last part is too low.

Sorry. I don't like it, even if I am not quite wure I like DNC.

if all you have are ad hominen attacks based on profiles of ignorance, you're doomed.

you're not intelligent enough on constitutional matters to discuss why the 2nd Amendment was penned. If you were intelligent enough, you'd know that it wasn't based on the brits reinvading, or any other nation for that matter.


yes I do and if you'd like, i'll write out my whole disseration on how a guerilla war would be carried out against a standing army, even ours.


you're clearly the submissive sort. I bet you'd even watch your daughter get raped rather than resort to violence to stop it.

 

[Lowaicue]

If you want a gun and you are not in the uniformed services then you are living on the wrong planet.
I don't know whether it was the French (damn their hides) or the British who gave the world the duel but it was a long time ago. Civilisation learns and advances. It is not too late for America.
Most sports are substitutes for tribal violence, be happy with football ...oh... you are in America!!er be happy with cricket ... nope, that doesn't work either. Either way they are better and much more masculine that shooting little furry animals for fun.

Oh, Low, didn't the british (or was it the french) that delivered us the duel?

Guns maybe have been designed purely to kill.

But it has become a sport now. And a means of hunting. ANd maybe a way to self-protect.

But it is the operators who need to be managed. Not the guns removed from the responsible.

Read my other posts.

 

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If you want a gun and you are not in the uniformed services then you are living on the wrong planet.
I don't know whether it was the French (damn their hides) or the British who gave the world the duel but it was a long time ago. Civilisation learns and advances. It is not too late for America.
Most sports are substitutes for tribal violence, be happy with football ...oh... you are in America!!er be happy with cricket ... nope, that doesn't work either. Either way they are better and much more masculine that shooting little furry animals for fun.

uh....i can have a gun and if i want one....i can to walmart and buy one....on earth <-----

 

[SmarterthanYou]

If you want a gun and you are not in the uniformed services then you are living on the wrong planet.

yeah, as much as you'd like to think that only the police and military should have guns, it just isn't happening that way. Here in the USA, our constitutional framers believed that free people had the right to self preservation in all of its forms and they also believed that a free people had the right to every effective means of that self preservation, which included firearms. If you don't agree with that, you can certainly try to repeal the Second Amendment.

 

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How many shootings do there have to be before we wonder about the wisdom of allowing anyone to get a gun in America? Our gun culture is completely out of control.

I trust the police to keep me from harm. I firmly believe that impluse-control problems are far more likely to kill people than strangers.

That is why I have never had a gun. I am sick of people saying that they "need a weapon to defend themselves".

Look at the statistics. For every incident where a gun offered any protection at all, there are countless times that somebody lost his or her head and used a gun on a family member. Add to that the deaths caused by children playing with guns, and the deaths that are caused by the mentally ill shooting at strangers, and you don't have much of a case.

Statistics show that you are more likely to be shot if you have a gun in the house. And the person who gets shot is more likely to be the householder than the intruder. Then there is the worry caused by the plethora of guns in our society and the lack of control over them. People should not have to worry about their children while they are in school, just so some perpetual 5-year-olds can keep their cowboy-toys.

Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered.

The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, are in the hands of criminals.

 

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i think you are watermark....but i don't know....

DNC;421320]How many shootings do there have to be before we wonder about the wisdom of allowing anyone to get a gun in America? Our gun culture is completely out of control.

how did america win its independence? with knives...swords...

I trust the police to keep me from harm. I firmly believe that impluse-control problems are far more likely to kill people than strangers.

good, then you will never make a comment about police shooting the innocent or so called innocent....

That is why I have never had a gun. I am sick of people saying that they "need a weapon to defend themselves".

so says the guy behind a monitor....ooooohh

Look at the statistics. For every incident where a gun offered any protection at all, there are countless times that somebody lost his or her head and used a gun on a family member. Add to that the deaths caused by children playing with guns, and the deaths that are caused by the mentally ill shooting at strangers, and you don't have much of a case.

Statistics show that you are more likely to be shot if you have a gun in the house. And the person who gets shot is more likely to be the householder than the intruder. Then there is the worry caused by the plethora of guns in our society and the lack of control over them. People should not have to worry about their children while they are in school, just so some perpetual 5-year-olds can keep their cowboy-toys.

Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered.

The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, are in the hands of criminals.

you again offer squat....you don't answer posts, you run away and offer red herrings....

you need a new fishing rod

 

[Minister of Truth]

How many shootings do there have to be before we wonder about the wisdom of allowing anyone to get a gun in America? Our gun culture is completely out of control.

I trust the police to keep me from harm. I firmly believe that impluse-control problems are far more likely to kill people than strangers.

That is why I have never had a gun. I am sick of people saying that they "need a weapon to defend themselves".

Look at the statistics. For every incident where a gun offered any protection at all, there are countless times that somebody lost his or her head and used a gun on a family member. Add to that the deaths caused by children playing with guns, and the deaths that are caused by the mentally ill shooting at strangers, and you don't have much of a case.

Statistics show that you are more likely to be shot if you have a gun in the house. And the person who gets shot is more likely to be the householder than the intruder. Then there is the worry caused by the plethora of guns in our society and the lack of control over them. People should not have to worry about their children while they are in school, just so some perpetual 5-year-olds can keep their cowboy-toys.

Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered.

The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, are in the hands of criminals.

How much more slaughter do we need to witness in Burma before we embrance basic freedoms such as the right to bare arms?

 

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How much more slaughter do we need to witness in Burma before we embrance basic freedoms such as the right to bare arms?

Mormons and Jehovah Witness don't like bare arms, they think it is immodest.

 

[uscitizen]

Support the right to arm bears. Make bear hunting more sporting.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Mormons and Jehovah Witness don't like bare arms, they think it is immodest.

Bare ass is often an exciting, albeit immodest, feature.

 

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Then why do you think that it is only America, of all 'civilised' nations that insists on owning a device designed purely to kill. Unless you have invented a gun that can carry me to the pub.
Why have you never heard an Englishman or a Frenchman dare someone to take their gun from their cold, dead hands. Do all Americans REALLY believe they are little John Waynes or that life is merely a rehearsal for their true destiny as Hollywood film stars?
Sometimes uniqueness has a value, more often than not uniqueness is a sign of insanity.

Americans are dumb, but not nearly as dumb as Europeans. Europeans are quite possibly the most ignorant and readily appeasable people on the face of the earth. Their countries are being invaded and overrun by a vicious enemy, but they are too busy getting drunk and obsessing over some worthless football team to give a fuck about their countries. Hundreds of thousands of Americans shed their blood to liberate Europeans...twice, actually. Their only response is to insult this great country. Next time, I think we ought to let them suffer the consequences of their foolishness. Let's see how they like living under Sharia law...

 

[charver]

Americans are dumb, but not nearly as dumb as Europeans. Europeans are quite possibly the most ignorant and readily appeasable people on the face of the earth. Their countries are being invaded and overrun by a vicious enemy, but they are too busy getting drunk and obsessing over some worthless football team to give a fuck about their countries. Hundreds of thousands of Americans shed their blood to liberate Europeans...twice, actually. Their only response is to insult this great country. Next time, I think we ought to let them suffer the consequences of their foolishness. Let's see how they like living under Sharia law...

Perhaps you'd prefer Europeans to praise America to high heaven for all eternity? Americans, Brits, Russians, Australians, Canadians, Indians, and a whole host of other nationalities from several continents fought and died and i take my hat off to the lot of them. So when you're spouting off the very old and very tired - "we saved your asses" line (a convenient 'we' unless you're older than anyone thought possible), you might want to consider that without the combined sum of our parts 'we'd' all have been fucked by the Germans and Japanese (oh all right, and the Italians...don't laugh).

Still, when in 50 or 100 years time when we in Europe are enjoying the fruits of living under the banner of the all powerful New International Caliphate we'll probably be able to settle our differences with the USA, or Mexico's largest province as it has become known, by dealing direct with Mexico City.

This talking bollocks about the future lark is fun, no?

 

[Lowaicue]

Of course you can in the USA. Rather proves my point that gun owners are American, dumb or both.

yeah, as much as you'd like to think that only the police and military should have guns, it just isn't happening that way. Here in the USA, our constitutional framers believed that free people had the right to self preservation in all of its forms and they also believed that a free people had the right to every effective means of that self preservation, which included firearms. If you don't agree with that, you can certainly try to repeal the Second Amendment.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Of course you can in the USA. Rather proves my point that gun owners are American, dumb or both.

I don't think your point was proven in the slightest. You must be hallucinating.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Americans are dumb, but not nearly as dumb as Europeans. Europeans are quite possibly the most ignorant and readily appeasable people on the face of the earth. Their countries are being invaded and overrun by a vicious enemy, but they are too busy getting drunk and obsessing over some worthless football team to give a fuck about their countries. Hundreds of thousands of Americans shed their blood to liberate Europeans...twice, actually. Their only response is to insult this great country. Next time, I think we ought to let them suffer the consequences of their foolishness. Let's see how they like living under Sharia law...

Tabasco, we destroyed europe, it was out Zionist government who destroyed them. The only valid ethnic identities are jew and non jew. All other historical/cultural demarcations must be destroyed, in the name of unity.