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Bingo.
Climate change discussion
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Bingo.
Into the Night
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Yes there is. It's immortal. You can't kill it. See your local drug dealer for details.
Government interference with markets is called 'fascism'.
You mean like Twitter? Facebook? Amazon? Apple? Microsoft? Democrats? The Mob?
There is.
Au contrare.
If there is insufficient oil to meet market demands and price begins to go up, a nice capitalist solution would be to pump more oil. This drives the price down again. Same for natural gas. Same for ANY source of energy.
Both oil and natural gas are renewable fuels. They are sustainable. That's why the price is so low (except for government taxes imposed upon it!).
This is a problem? Capitalism is the creation of wealth. It is what BUILDS oil refineries, nuclear power plants, electric cars, natural gas plumbing, diesel electric locomotives, and aircraft the burn jet fuel to carry hundreds of passengers at a time further than they could before. It is what created plastics, cheap aluminum and steel, integrated circuits of marvelous complexity and capability; that makes the computer you are using right now possible. All capitalism.
Instead of YOUR solution, which is to put the government in charge of everything, making all energy more expensive. Define 'alternative energy'.
That's not a mess. Define 'The Problem'.
Why? Because YOU say so?
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Psychoquackery.
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Wind farms are the 2nd most expensive form of energy, with solar being the most expensive form, joule for joule. These piddle power sources covering huge swaths of countryside pale to insignificance to a SINGLE nuclear power plant, coal plant, oil plant, or natural gas plant. There are no fossil fuel plants. Fossils don't burn.
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No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are denying the 1st law of thermodynamics.
No gas or vapor is capable of trapping thermal energy. You cannot reduce entropy in any system. You are denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
You cannot trap light or ignore radiant heat. You are denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
Sammy Jankis
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horseshit.
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What 'trillions'? Who handed it to them? Natural gas comes from oil wells, landfills, swamps, and can be easily synthesized from carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide and hydrogen using high heat and high pressure in the presence of iron (see the Fischer-Tropsche process). These conditions exist naturally underground. Natural gas and oil are both renewable fuels. Oil and natural gas exploration is done by private companies, ranging from a single individual to a few dozen, to large corporations with thousands of investors. Did you know these investors expect that oil company to actually produce oil? No one likes investing in a 'dry hole'.
Define 'global warming'. Define the price per joule produced by it. We don't use fossils for fuels. Fossils don't burn. There are no fusion power sources. Wind is expensive, solar even more so. Far more expensive than coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, etc., joule for joule.
The DoD is a government agency. They don't define 'global warming' either, and likewise have not stated 'The Problem'.
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Renewables advocates never consider the true costs like the need to have dispatchable power always on tap. These are almost always either gas or hydro. The costs for laying in new transmission lines are never included either or indeed the subsidies.
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Sammy Jankis
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renewables advocates are bad faith discussion partners.
envirowackos are secret genociders.
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Natural gas is a renewable energy source. Hydroelectric is a renewable energy source.
The 'advocates' you speak of insist on using only wind and solar as the sole energy source. In other words, they are fascists, desiring to manipulate energy markets by dictat.
Sammy Jankis
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and they only suggest ridiculous things that could never be a real replacement.
their preferred solution is genocide.
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That's because the Church of Global Green is a fundamentalist style religion. It preaches that the Earth is being destroyed by Man, therefore we must remove Man (meaning anyone but themselves). It stems from the Church of Karl Marx.
They aren't interested in a replacement. They are interested in control and in punishing 'the Evil Rich'...never mind any rich Democrat of course, like Biden.
Sammy Jankis
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right, and as you indicated, they are the evilest and richest of the evil rich.
amazon behind blm? blm behind destroying the nuclear family? textbook marx.
Sammy Jankis
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and now we separate the men from the neocons:
central banks were encouraged by marx as a means of exercising totalitarian control.
central banks were encouraged by marx as a means of exercising totalitarian control.
ok, provide proof that the actions of humans are directly changing the climate of planet earth. We all agree that we are polluting the air and water, but not one of you AGW clowns can prove that pollution is causing climate change---------or even that the climate is changing in the near term. It has been changing for hundreds of millions of years, explain how all of a sudden man is causing it.
Or you could admit that this climate BS is not about climate, pollution, or anything but finding a way to control the actions of the people living on this planet.
PoliTalker
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Hello Jerome,
I know, right?
It is so common these days to see people cherry-picking the worst of what the 'other side' says and then carry on as if everyone on that side said the same thing.
So in this case, if one person is found to have said in the 70's that oil would be gone by the Y2K, it now becomes al liberals saying that.
See how that works?
A little exaggeration, and little stereotyping, and presto! Rewrite history to build and support complete myths, consider it done.
I know, right?
It is so common these days to see people cherry-picking the worst of what the 'other side' says and then carry on as if everyone on that side said the same thing.
So in this case, if one person is found to have said in the 70's that oil would be gone by the Y2K, it now becomes al liberals saying that.
See how that works?
A little exaggeration, and little stereotyping, and presto! Rewrite history to build and support complete myths, consider it done.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello redfish,
Let's explore your control theory a little.
Why would the left want to 'control the actions of the people living on this planet?'
That doesn't make sense for citizens of a free country to seek such a thing.
Let's explore your control theory a little.
Why would the left want to 'control the actions of the people living on this planet?'
That doesn't make sense for citizens of a free country to seek such a thing.