The Greatest Story Ever Sold, The God Who Wasn't There.

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The christian God is a jealous God and has no tolerance for anyother belief.

Muslims clain "the one God" .. Jews claim another God .. and the only thing that seperates them is their God because they are both the very same semitic people.

Religion, by it's very nature is divisive. It divides people by belief systems.

Spirituality, which is not religion, doesn't care what religion or label you call yourself, only the character of your heart.

I understand now... like the WTC conspiracy idiocy, you refuse to beleive anything other than what you have programmed yourself to believe.

Religion is not divisive... people are divisive. Again, you attempt to lump everyone into one big lump sum who act and behave in a similar manner.

Also, you are full of shit... while being spiritual does not HAVE to mean someone is religious.... religion is most definitely sprititual.

 

[blackascoal]

I understand now... like the WTC conspiracy idiocy, you refuse to beleive anything other than what you have programmed yourself to believe.

Religion is not divisive... people are divisive. Again, you attempt to lump everyone into one big lump sum who act and behave in a similar manner.

Also, you are full of shit... while being spiritual does not HAVE to mean someone is religious.... religion is most definitely sprititual.

I'm stunned.

Shock and awe.

Can people actually be this dumb?

 

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I'm stunned.

Shock and awe.

Can people actually be this dumb?

well, every time you speak on this subject or the 9/11 conspiracy crap you seem to prove that people can indeed be that dumb.

 

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I'm stunned.

Shock and awe.

Can people actually be this dumb?

Side note... kind of hard to discuss this issue when you make vague comments like the above and don't point out where you disagree.

 

[blackascoal]

Side note... kind of hard to discuss this issue when you make vague comments like the above and don't point out where you disagree.

You're absolutely correct.

I was wrong and I apologize, but when you toss 9/11 into conversation as if questioning it is somehow lunatic, it evokes that kind of response.

Spirtuality is not the same as religion. There is no doctrine, there are no leaders, you aren't rewarded with anything when you die other then the beauty of having lived a spiritual life.

The doctrine of religion is divisive, not talking about the people .. who are not religion, they are believers .. but talking about the very doctrine of religion. You are divided by the tenets of christianity, Islam, or whatever religion you believe.

 

[evince]

Those who lap up the officail story of 911 are the programmed ones

 

[Damocles]

I'm stunned.

Shock and awe.

Can people actually be this dumb?

What are you talking about? Dumb to mock people who are certain?

It just seems to be one side of a triangle. One side mocks another for believing in something they can't see, another side tries to "save" people, and the third side laughs at both of the others because they can't see the point of standing in "certainty" on something that is unprovable.

 

[blackascoal]

Those who lap up the officail story of 911 are the programmed ones

But you can't say that.

Questioning the motivations of our own government is unpatriotic.

Isn't that what we were told about Iraq?

Vietnam?

Pearl Harbor?

 

[blackascoal]

What are you talking about? Dumb to mock people who are certain?

It just seems to be one side of a triangle. One side mocks another for believing in something they can't see, another side tries to "save" people, and the third side laughs at both of the others because they can't see the point of standing in "certainty" on something that is unprovable.

Just in case you missed it .. here is the exchange that precipitated my response ..

Originally Posted by blackascoal
The christian God is a jealous God and has no tolerance for anyother belief.

Muslims clain "the one God" .. Jews claim another God .. and the only thing that seperates them is their God because they are both the very same semitic people.

Religion, by it's very nature is divisive. It divides people by belief systems.

Spirituality, which is not religion, doesn't care what religion or label you call yourself, only the character of your heart.

Originally posted by Superfreak
I understand now... like the WTC conspiracy idiocy, you refuse to beleive anything other than what you have programmed yourself to believe.

Religion is not divisive... people are divisive. Again, you attempt to lump everyone into one big lump sum who act and behave in a similar manner.

Also, you are full of shit... while being spiritual does not HAVE to mean someone is religious.... religion is most definitely sprititual.

There was nothing mocking in my post, but SF responded with "full of shit."

I was big enough to apologize but I didn't start it .. yet here you are talking to me about mocking.

Why bring 9/11 in this thread? The conversation is in the 9/11 thread ..where the fairy-tale wasn't doing too well .. which is why it's now in this thread.

 

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You're absolutely correct.

I was wrong and I apologize, but when you toss 9/11 into conversation as if questioning it is somehow lunatic, it evokes that kind of response.

Spirtuality is not the same as religion. There is no doctrine, there are no leaders, you aren't rewarded with anything when you die other then the beauty of having lived a spiritual life.

The doctrine of religion is divisive, not talking about the people .. who are not religion, they are believers .. but talking about the very doctrine of religion. You are divided by the tenets of christianity, Islam, or whatever religion you believe.

again, I did not saying discussing or questioning 9/11 was lunatic. I stated that proclaiming a conspiracy while ignoring anything that might contradict said conspiracy is lunatic.

Again... you are incorrect in spirituality. Just because spirituality doesn't HAVE to be religious doesn't mean that religion isn't spiritual.

You seem to be making up your own definition of spirituality, just like you did with the word belief.

Let me assist you....

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality[/ame]

"Spirituality, in a narrow sense, concerns itself with matters of the spirit, a concept closely tied to religious belief and faith, a transcendent reality, or one or more deities. Spiritual matters are thus those matters regarding humankind's ultimate nature and meaning, not only as material biological organisms, but as beings with a unique relationship to that which is perceived to be beyond the bodily senses, time and the material world. Spirituality in this sense implies the mind-body dichotomy, which indicates a separation between the body and soul. But spirituality may also be about the development of the individual's inner life through specific practices.

The spiritual is traditionally contrasted with the material, the temporal and the earthly. A perceived sense of connection forms a central defining characteristic of spirituality — connection to a metaphysical reality greater than oneself, which may include an emotional experience of religious awe and reverence, or such states as satori or nirvana. Spirituality is the personal, subjective dimension of religion, particularly that which pertains to liberation or salvation"

Again, as for religion be divisive, yes in the sense that they believe different things, they are divisive. But that is not what you seemed to be implying. You seem to be implying that it is the religion that caused the wars etc... when in reality it was the radicals (the individuals) that sparked the wars.

 

[Damocles]

Just in case you missed it .. here is the exchange that precipitated my response ..

Originally Posted by blackascoal
The christian God is a jealous God and has no tolerance for anyother belief.

Muslims clain "the one God" .. Jews claim another God .. and the only thing that seperates them is their God because they are both the very same semitic people.

Religion, by it's very nature is divisive. It divides people by belief systems.

Spirituality, which is not religion, doesn't care what religion or label you call yourself, only the character of your heart.

Originally posted by Superfreak
I understand now... like the WTC conspiracy idiocy, you refuse to beleive anything other than what you have programmed yourself to believe.

Religion is not divisive... people are divisive. Again, you attempt to lump everyone into one big lump sum who act and behave in a similar manner.

Also, you are full of shit... while being spiritual does not HAVE to mean someone is religious.... religion is most definitely sprititual.

There was nothing mocking in my post, but SF responded with "full of shit."

I was big enough to apologize but I didn't start it .. yet here you are talking to me about mocking.

Why bring 9/11 in this thread? The conversation is in the 9/11 thread ..where the fairy-tale wasn't doing too well .. which is why it's now in this thread.

Yeah, because it was created in a vacuum, no post ever existed where you mocked somebody... couldn't possibly have equated what some others may believe is their most valuable beliefs with "Santa"... Nope. Not you. never mocking...



Stop playing "victim", you aren't convincing in that role.

 

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do you tell your kids that santa doesn't exist?

Yes, but they are all over 21. I let them come to their own conclusions about a God.

 

[blackascoal]

again, I did not saying discussing or questioning 9/11 was lunatic. I stated that proclaiming a conspiracy while ignoring anything that might contradict said conspiracy is lunatic.

Again... you are incorrect in spirituality. Just because spirituality doesn't HAVE to be religious doesn't mean that religion isn't spiritual.

You seem to be making up your own definition of spirituality, just like you did with the word belief.

Let me assist you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

"Spirituality, in a narrow sense, concerns itself with matters of the spirit, a concept closely tied to religious belief and faith, a transcendent reality, or one or more deities. Spiritual matters are thus those matters regarding humankind's ultimate nature and meaning, not only as material biological organisms, but as beings with a unique relationship to that which is perceived to be beyond the bodily senses, time and the material world. Spirituality in this sense implies the mind-body dichotomy, which indicates a separation between the body and soul. But spirituality may also be about the development of the individual's inner life through specific practices.

The spiritual is traditionally contrasted with the material, the temporal and the earthly. A perceived sense of connection forms a central defining characteristic of spirituality — connection to a metaphysical reality greater than oneself, which may include an emotional experience of religious awe and reverence, or such states as satori or nirvana. Spirituality is the personal, subjective dimension of religion, particularly that which pertains to liberation or salvation"

Again, as for religion be divisive, yes in the sense that they believe different things, they are divisive. But that is not what you seemed to be implying. You seem to be implying that it is the religion that caused the wars etc... when in reality it was the radicals (the individuals) that sparked the wars.

Let's be honest my good brother .. you did indeed toss 9/11 out as if it was lunatic to question.

I understand now... like the WTC conspiracy idiocy, you refuse to beleive anything other than what you have programmed yourself to believe.

There were lots and lots of questions you couldn't answer, didn't even touch. You asked for opinion on flight manuvers, I gave it to you, you didn't touch it.

To suggest it's "idiocy" to ask questions you can't answer is simply mindboggling.

You keep talking about "a few radicals" .. but surely you know something of religious history. It wasn't a few radicals doing the fighting, believers did. The Crusades was religious war. Surely you know it's history, which contradicts your claim.

 

[blackascoal]

Yeah, because it was created in a vacuum, no post ever existed where you mocked somebody... couldn't possibly have equated what some others may believe is their most valuable beliefs with "Santa"... Nope. Not you. never mocking...



Stop playing "victim", you aren't convincing in that role.

Stop playing moderator, as if your views aren't biased.

As I demonstrated, SF started the mocking .. you decided to tell me about it, not SF.

By the way, the victim doesn't mock.

I own up to mine when I do it.

That's the difference.

 

[Damocles]

Stop playing moderator, as if your views aren't biased.

As I demonstrated, SF started the mocking .. you decided to tell me about it, not SF.

By the way, the victim doesn't mock.

I own up to mine when I do it.

That's the difference.

Where did I 'Moderate' your post? I just pointed out your own hypocrisy. Playing the "I've never mocked anything and he said I was full of sh*t!"

I could almost see the tears forming, dude. It's sad.

You continue to try to play the "victim" here, and it just doesn't fit. He simply continued in the pattern of this thread where you have mocked others for believing in God, and he mocks you for believing in your own form of unprovable nonsense (you know that God doesn't exist.)

As for 9/11, I answered the flight maneuvers, you ignore the answer and post a list of people neither of us know again and again. I answered the idiotic (yes the thermite crap is truly idiotic) thermite stuff. I answered why the building fell, based on actual math from structural engineers that have nothing to do with the government...

All of which you ignore because you choose to believe a different source, which is fine.

 

[blackascoal]

Where did I 'Moderate' your post? I just pointed out your own hypocrisy. Playing the "I've never mocked anything and he said I was full of sh*t!"

I could almost see the tears forming, dude. It's sad.

You continue to try to play the "victim" here, and it just doesn't fit. He simply continued in the pattern of this thread where you have mocked others for believing in God, and he mocks you for believing in your own form of unprovable nonsense (you know that God doesn't exist.)

As for 9/11, I answered the flight maneuvers, you ignore the answer and post a list of people neither of us know again and again. I answered the idiotic (yes the thermite crap is truly idiotic) thermite stuff. I answered why the building fell, based on actual math from structural engineers that have nothing to do with the government...

All of which you ignore because you choose to believe a different source, which is fine.

Dishonest once again.

Read this slowly .. I own up to my mocking. I even told you I was going to ridicule your 9/11 fantasy and I did. But you chose to attempt to admonish me about it even though SF did it. No surprise there.

"tears in my eyes" .. put down the Jack Daniels brother. This is nothing more than amusement. However, I often get teary-eyed with laughter.

Try your "victim" ploy on somebody else. As you've said, it doesn't fit me.

 

[Damocles]

Dishonest once again.

Read this slowly .. I own up to my mocking. I even told you I was going to ridicule your 9/11 fantasy and I did. But you chose to attempt to admonish me about it even though SF did it. No surprise there.

"tears in my eyes" .. put down the Jack Daniels brother. This is nothing more than amusement. However, I often get teary-eyed with laughter.

Try your "victim" ploy on somebody else. As you've said, it doesn't fit me.

I "admonish" (read mock you for) your whining, not your mocking. Get it?

 

[blackascoal]

I "admonish" your whining, not your mocking. Get it?

No, that too is bullshit.

You attempted to admonish me because you don't agree with me.

That I got.

But as you can clearly see, I don't give a damn that you don't agree. Not one damn .. and I am fully capable of backing up every damn thing I've said just as I've done in this thread, the 9/11 thread, or anything else.

Try "whining" on somebody else.

 

[Damocles]

No, that too is bullshit.

You attempted to admonish me because you don't agree with me.

That I got.

But as you can clearly see, I don't give a damn that you don't agree. Not one damn .. and I am fully capable of backing up every damn thing I've said about 9/11 or anything else.

Try "whining" on somebody else.

I don't care if you "don't agree", in fact it is better for the site if you do. If we all sat around agreeing, threads would be short and the site would be boring.

Imagine:

Poster 1: "I think some of what is said about 9/11 by the government is hooey, but this thermite stuff is total idiocy formed by people who don't know anything"...

Poster 2: "Yeah, me too."

Poster 3: "Yeah, me too."

What I mocked you for, was whining about how he called you "full of sh*t" and using the same argument my 8 year old would use, "He started it." then when it is pointed out to you that you mocked people previously in this very thread you try to play this?

This isn't your best day, is it?



As I've said, I'm working to stay out of the 9/11 crap because nothing, and I do mean nothing, will ever change your mind.

I would like to know what you think happened that day.

What happened to the plane victims, for instance? Were they carted off somewhere to be shot by death squads or are they living with Elvis in Cuba? Or did they find actual pilots willing to die for the 'glorious' cause of starting a war in Iraq?

 

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Let's be honest my good brother .. you did indeed toss 9/11 out as if it was lunatic to question.



There were lots and lots of questions you couldn't answer, didn't even touch. You asked for opinion on flight manuvers, I gave it to you, you didn't touch it.

To suggest it's "idiocy" to ask questions you can't answer is simply mindboggling.

You keep talking about "a few radicals" .. but surely you know something of religious history. It wasn't a few radicals doing the fighting, believers did. The Crusades was religious war. Surely you know it's history, which contradicts your claim.

No my good brother, I did no such thing. I was referring to your posts on the topic and your blatant refusal to look at anything that possibly contradicted your particular theory. At no point did I state or imply that it was bad to question what happened.

As I stated earlier in the thread, there ARE parts of what happened that I also question. They just aren't the parts that you have highlighted time and again.

Again... it was not the RELIGION or the set of beliefs that caused people to go to war. If you actually study the crusades, you will find that RELIGION was the EXCUSE that the nobles used in an effort to garner more wealth.

It was the radicals that led those efforts trying to proclaim that other religions were 'barbaric' etc...

Also, while many wars have been fought over 'religion' the specific religions do not teach their constituents to go to war with non-believers.