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Bush dodged Vietnam and McSame got shot down. So what's your point?
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the point is, is that WE veterans did NOT shy away from service. We were there and are not president. we're foot soldiers, ground pounders, combat oriented killers.
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you're arguing with a moron who thinks the second amendment gives the GOVERNMENT the right to form militias
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yeah, i know, but i've got nothing else to do until dinner is done.
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Funny that he thinks that. I wonder what he would do if someone tried to say that any other part of the Bill of Rights was meant to provide rights to the government.
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They were killers too:
April 2009
John Chong opened fire at a Christian retreat in Temecula, CA, killing a woman and injuring three others.
Richard Poplawski shot 3 Pittsburgh police officers after viewing rightwing calls for resistance to gun control measures.
Nicholas Horner, a military veteran from Altoona, Pennsylvania, faces charges including criminal homicide following two fatal shootings at a Subway shop.
Jiverly Wong, age 42, blocked the back entrance of the American Civic Association, located in Binghamton NY, with a car, and then entered the front door on a shooting rampage that left 14 dead, including himself, and four more in critical condition.
December 2008
A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine guests at a Christmas Eve party before taking his own life in Covina, a suburb of Los Angeles in California.
December 2007
A gunman kills eight people and wounds five at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska, before killing himself.
April 2007
Cho Seung-hui kills 32 people and wounds many more at the Virginia Tech college in Blacksburg, Virginia, in two separate incidents on the same day. Cho had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder.
March 2005
Jeff Weise, a student at Red Lake high school in Minnesota kills five students, a teacher, a security guard, and then himself. Before school, he had shot dead his grandfather and grandfather's companion.
April 1999
Two students at Columbine high school in Littleton, Colorado, kill 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves.
October 1991
George Hennard drives his pickup truck to Luby's cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, then shoots dead 23 people before killing himself.
August 1986
A former employee enters a post office in Oklahoma and shoots dead 14 workers before killing himself.
July 1984
Twenty-one people are killed when a 41-year-old man opens fire at a McDonald's restaurant in San Diego. He is shot by police.
February 1983
Three men shoot dead 14 people in the Wah Mee club in Seattle's Chinatown.
August 1966
Charles Whitman, a former marine, holes up in the clock tower at the University of Texas campus in Austin, where he had studied. He kills 15 people and wounds another 32 before being shot dead by police.
April 2009
John Chong opened fire at a Christian retreat in Temecula, CA, killing a woman and injuring three others.
Richard Poplawski shot 3 Pittsburgh police officers after viewing rightwing calls for resistance to gun control measures.
Nicholas Horner, a military veteran from Altoona, Pennsylvania, faces charges including criminal homicide following two fatal shootings at a Subway shop.
Jiverly Wong, age 42, blocked the back entrance of the American Civic Association, located in Binghamton NY, with a car, and then entered the front door on a shooting rampage that left 14 dead, including himself, and four more in critical condition.
December 2008
A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine guests at a Christmas Eve party before taking his own life in Covina, a suburb of Los Angeles in California.
December 2007
A gunman kills eight people and wounds five at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska, before killing himself.
April 2007
Cho Seung-hui kills 32 people and wounds many more at the Virginia Tech college in Blacksburg, Virginia, in two separate incidents on the same day. Cho had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder.
March 2005
Jeff Weise, a student at Red Lake high school in Minnesota kills five students, a teacher, a security guard, and then himself. Before school, he had shot dead his grandfather and grandfather's companion.
April 1999
Two students at Columbine high school in Littleton, Colorado, kill 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves.
October 1991
George Hennard drives his pickup truck to Luby's cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, then shoots dead 23 people before killing himself.
August 1986
A former employee enters a post office in Oklahoma and shoots dead 14 workers before killing himself.
July 1984
Twenty-one people are killed when a 41-year-old man opens fire at a McDonald's restaurant in San Diego. He is shot by police.
February 1983
Three men shoot dead 14 people in the Wah Mee club in Seattle's Chinatown.
August 1966
Charles Whitman, a former marine, holes up in the clock tower at the University of Texas campus in Austin, where he had studied. He kills 15 people and wounds another 32 before being shot dead by police.
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And?
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Tell you what, DNC, keep listing violent gun murderers until you get to 8 million of them.
Then you will be at 10% of the number of law abiding gun owners in the US.
There is no problem making a fuss with emotional pleas. But it is certainly not the way to make laws and decisions for the future of a nation.
Then you will be at 10% of the number of law abiding gun owners in the US.
There is no problem making a fuss with emotional pleas. But it is certainly not the way to make laws and decisions for the future of a nation.
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And it's time to end this scourge on our people by removing the danger. One way we can accelerate the process is by applying technology until other measures come into play.
A comprehensive ballistic identification system would connect a bullet or cartridge case directly to the make, model and serial number of the gun from which that bullet or cartridge case was fired. In effect, comprehensive ballistic identification would allow government authorities to trace a gun even before they recover that gun.
A confirmed link between a specific firearm and a bullet or cartridge case constitutes a new level of power, because government officials can then connect the firearm to its first purchaser, who may become either a suspect or a source of information helpful to the investigation of gun ownership.
A technology called "microstamping" is now making comprehensive ballistic identification a reality. Microstamping technology utilizes lasers to make microscopic engravings on the breech face and firing pin of a gun. As the gun is fired, a code identifying the weapon's serial number is stamped onto the cartridge. The technology promises to greatly aid officials.
On October 13, 2007, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger made history by signing a first-of-its-kind microstamping bill into law. Several other states, and the U.S. Congress, are now considering microstamping legislation.
A comprehensive ballistic identification system would connect a bullet or cartridge case directly to the make, model and serial number of the gun from which that bullet or cartridge case was fired. In effect, comprehensive ballistic identification would allow government authorities to trace a gun even before they recover that gun.
A confirmed link between a specific firearm and a bullet or cartridge case constitutes a new level of power, because government officials can then connect the firearm to its first purchaser, who may become either a suspect or a source of information helpful to the investigation of gun ownership.
A technology called "microstamping" is now making comprehensive ballistic identification a reality. Microstamping technology utilizes lasers to make microscopic engravings on the breech face and firing pin of a gun. As the gun is fired, a code identifying the weapon's serial number is stamped onto the cartridge. The technology promises to greatly aid officials.
On October 13, 2007, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger made history by signing a first-of-its-kind microstamping bill into law. Several other states, and the U.S. Congress, are now considering microstamping legislation.
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I give up. This is exactly why I voted against the Obamamessiah.
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You lost.
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Changing the firing pin is a minor thing in most guns. Not difficult at all. A number on the breech face would not leave a mark on any but the higher powered cartridges.
And what about those of us who own antique or historically significant guns? You want us to have them wrecked by a government gunsmith?
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You won't have any guns to worry about.
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Oh, so you want them to spend lots of money instituting the marking laws, and then ban all guns?
You have simply lost you mind.
There is no way you will get the votes for a constitutional amendment.
Especially since Obama has already said he supports the individual's right to own a gun. An about face on that would hurt his support immensely.
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Supreme Court Justices aren't politicians, are they?
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30,000+ deaths from firearms in the United States every year are a small price to pay to "guarantee freedom" according to gunlover's warped logic.
When gunlovers talk about "freedom," they have something specific in mind, their freedom from what they see as "government oppression".
In their demented minds, unfettered access to firearms is the key ingredient to protecting individual rights from overreaching government authority.
They argue that the only way to keep centralized authority in check is to ensure that they retain the capability to confront the government with force of arms.
NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre has said “The people have a right to take whatever measures necessary, including force, to abolish oppressive government.”
This whacked-out idea, which sane people call “rebellion,” is part of a broader ideological perspective that opposes a strong, central government.
Gunlover philosophy degrades the democratic values and institutions that protect all of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans.
Gun nuts are perfectly willing to trample on any freedom that gets in the way of their pursuit of unrestricted private access to firearms (i.e., property rights, access to justice, freedom of information, public safety, etc.).
This toxic mix of ideology and firepower has moved beyond rhetoric and resulted in real violence in our country thanks to high profile rightwing leaders like Glenn Beck.
Pitssburgh cop-killer Richard Poplawski was fueled by a toxic mix of white-supremacist/conspiracy-theorist paranoia and rightwing-media fearmongering from the likes of Glenn Beck and Faux News.
Not only did gunlover Poplawski avidly participate in white-supremacist online forums and rightwing conspiracy-theory sites, he also avidly consumed rightwing conservative propaganda, particularly Faux.
The classic instance of this: A few weeks ago, Poplawski posted a clip of Beck talking about FEMA concentration camps on the neo-Nazi Stormfront forum site.
When gunlovers talk about "freedom," they have something specific in mind, their freedom from what they see as "government oppression".
In their demented minds, unfettered access to firearms is the key ingredient to protecting individual rights from overreaching government authority.
They argue that the only way to keep centralized authority in check is to ensure that they retain the capability to confront the government with force of arms.
NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre has said “The people have a right to take whatever measures necessary, including force, to abolish oppressive government.”
This whacked-out idea, which sane people call “rebellion,” is part of a broader ideological perspective that opposes a strong, central government.
Gunlover philosophy degrades the democratic values and institutions that protect all of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans.
Gun nuts are perfectly willing to trample on any freedom that gets in the way of their pursuit of unrestricted private access to firearms (i.e., property rights, access to justice, freedom of information, public safety, etc.).
This toxic mix of ideology and firepower has moved beyond rhetoric and resulted in real violence in our country thanks to high profile rightwing leaders like Glenn Beck.
Pitssburgh cop-killer Richard Poplawski was fueled by a toxic mix of white-supremacist/conspiracy-theorist paranoia and rightwing-media fearmongering from the likes of Glenn Beck and Faux News.
Not only did gunlover Poplawski avidly participate in white-supremacist online forums and rightwing conspiracy-theory sites, he also avidly consumed rightwing conservative propaganda, particularly Faux.
The classic instance of this: A few weeks ago, Poplawski posted a clip of Beck talking about FEMA concentration camps on the neo-Nazi Stormfront forum site.
