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DNC said:
And it's time to end this scourge on our people by removing the danger. One way we can accelerate the process is by applying technology until other measures come into play.

A comprehensive ballistic identification system would connect a bullet or cartridge case directly to the make, model and serial number of the gun from which that bullet or cartridge case was fired. In effect, comprehensive ballistic identification would allow government authorities to trace a gun even before they recover that gun.

A confirmed link between a specific firearm and a bullet or cartridge case constitutes a new level of power, because government officials can then connect the firearm to its first purchaser, who may become either a suspect or a source of information helpful to the investigation of gun ownership.

A technology called "microstamping" is now making comprehensive ballistic identification a reality. Microstamping technology utilizes lasers to make microscopic engravings on the breech face and firing pin of a gun. As the gun is fired, a code identifying the weapon's serial number is stamped onto the cartridge. The technology promises to greatly aid officials.

On October 13, 2007, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger made history by signing a first-of-its-kind microstamping bill into law. Several other states, and the U.S. Congress, are now considering microstamping legislation.
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It takes all of 30-45 seconds to defeat every single bullistics tracing technology you can come up with. Run a patch of #800 carbide paper just once through a barrel and the bullistic pattern is aletred enough to defeat any comparison. 10 seconds of filing or sanding the tip of a firing pin and it's characteristics are changed enough that no comparison can be made. It would also remove any micro-stamping.

And let's not even mention the fact that a week in salt water will make matching a firearm to the bullet it fired useless.

All your laws do NOTHING to curb crime. A law that does not acheive its purpose is by definition a bad law. But the idiot shitheads who are more concerned about the rights of convicted felons than the rights of their victims cannot grasp the fact that it's THEIR policies of criminals' rights, luxury hotel prisons, fast track paroles, etc. are the primary cause of our high crime rates.

Want to control violent crime, then start controlling violent criminals. Leave law abiding citizens the fuck alone.
 
Breaking the coming regulations will make YOU a criminal. That's your choice.

As to the people you mean when you say "criminal", I've already explained that one of President Obama's major tasks will be to redress the injustices (economic and racial) that have driven so many into what white AmeriKKKa called "crime".
 
There speaks the voice of experience.
How come you haven't been banged up as a potential danger to society?


Good Luck said:
It takes all of 30-45 seconds to defeat every single bullistics tracing technology you can come up with. Run a patch of #800 carbide paper just once through a barrel and the bullistic pattern is aletred enough to defeat any comparison. 10 seconds of filing or sanding the tip of a firing pin and it's characteristics are changed enough that no comparison can be made. It would also remove any micro-stamping.

And let's not even mention the fact that a week in salt water will make matching a firearm to the bullet it fired useless.

All your laws do NOTHING to curb crime. A law that does not acheive its purpose is by definition a bad law. But the idiot shitheads who are more concerned about the rights of convicted felons than the rights of their victims cannot grasp the fact that it's THEIR policies of criminals' rights, luxury hotel prisons, fast track paroles, etc. are the primary cause of our high crime rates.

Want to control violent crime, then start controlling violent criminals. Leave law abiding citizens the fuck alone.
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I doubt that statistics will change anything. What you need is to bring the American standards of sanity into line with the rest of the world.
And then lock these lunatics away.


DNC said:
During a particularly violent three days across the US, shootings left 3 dead in Pittsburgh, 14 dead in Binghamton, N.Y., and 6 dead in Washington state, where a father shot 5 of his children, ages 7 to 16, using a rifle, and later, himself.

It also follows just two weeks after four police officers were fatally shot in Oakland, Calif., in the deadliest day for U.S. law enforcement since Sept. 11, 2001.

Last month, a North Carolina man shot and killed eight people before police shot him and ended the rampage, and a 28-year-old man killed 10 people, including his mother and four other relatives, across two rural Alabama counties before killing himself.

Blah, blah? How do you face yourself in the mirror?
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Quiet? You're a bunch of impotent blowhards posting your BS for the whole world to see.
 
DNC said:
You actually need to get your facts straight.

There is not a lot of gun violence in either Britain or Canada.

You know how many gun homicides England had last year? 58.

Canada had 184 gun homicides in 2004.

Japan had 21 in 2006.

You know how many we had in the US in 2005? 12,352.

Just about every other industrialized democracy out there has far tougher gun laws than we have, far fewer guns, and FAR lower rates of homicide and gun death.

And guess what? They're all still democracies, with citizens who vote and have every right to speak their minds and live as they wish. And they're doing it without arming their populations to the teeth. Some of them have been around a lot longer than we have.

The gun manufacturers could not care less who is dying from their products.

For years, the ATF tried to forward them data showing exactly which of their greedy dealers were channeling guns to criminals. First they refused to take the data. Then they had the NRA lobby the GOP controlled Congress prohibit the ATF under law from releasing the data to either manufacturers or to our Congress.

If you're going to insult me, or anyone else who has "feeling" about 30,000 lives lost to gun violence each year (and any human being would have a feeling about it), get your facts straight.
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Not surprising that a country with no guns has very little gun violence. How many homicides were there, though? Are there less homicides total, or do they just use weapons other than guns? Trying debating honestly.
 
There are fewer murders.

Only the homicide rate of Northern Ireland in the early 1990s compares to that of the United States today. In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, compared to 1.9 in Canada and 1.0 in Germany. This means that the homicide rate in the United States was nearly three times as high as in Canada and slightly more than five times as high as in Germany.

Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark. Overall the homicide rate in the United States was similar to that of some lesser developed Eastern European countries.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States[/ame]
 
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In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, compared to 1.9 in Canada and 1.0 in Germany. This means that the homicide rate in the United States was nearly three times as high as in Canada and slightly more than five times as high as in Germany.
 
DNC said:
In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, compared to 1.9 in Canada and 1.0 in Germany. This means that the homicide rate in the United States was nearly three times as high as in Canada and slightly more than five times as high as in Germany.
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In 2005, 16,000 people were murdered in the United States. Over 40,000 died in automobile crashes. Should automobiles also be confiscated?

Also, you will notice on that same list that France had more murders than Canada and the UK, and Germany had double the murders of Japan. Where do you draw the line?
 
Antiaris Toxicaria said:
In 2005, 16,000 people were murdered in the United States. Over 40,000 died in automobile crashes. Should automobiles also be confiscated?

Also, you will notice on that same list that France had more murders than Canada and the UK, and Germany had double the murders of Japan. Where do you draw the line?
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And Canada has about the same amount of guns per capita as the US.
 
Cars do kill and injure more people than guns in America today. In the overwhelming majority of cases, auto fatalties and injuries are unintentional.

Guns are tools that are designed to kill and injure others. Period.

In 2005, firearm homicide was the second leading cause of injury death for men and women 10-24 years of age - second only to motor vehicle crashes.

In 2005, 30,694 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 12,352 were murdered; 17,002 killed themselves; 789 were accidents; 330 died by police intervention, and in 221, the intent was unknown.

In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73 people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden. In comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 in the United States. In 2006, there were only 154 justifiable homicides by private citizens using handguns in the United States.

Empirical research indicates that firearms increase the chances that a crime will turn deadly. A study done by the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence reported that a victim is about five times more likely to survive if an attacker is armed with a knife rather than a gun.

Widespread gun ownership has not been found to reduce the likelihood of fatal events committed with other means. Thus, people do not turn to knives and other potententially lethal weapons less often when more guns are available, but more guns usually means more victims of homicide and suicide

Between 1997 and 2002, the overall UK crime rate fell by 27% after Britain enacted strict gun control laws. Coincidence?

Self defense is not a good argument against gun control since those who own firearms are actually more likely to be victims of homicide. Two studies published in The New England Journal of Medicine revealed that keeping a gun in the home increases the risk of both suicide and homicide. Keeping a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone will be a victim of homicide in your home (in almost all cases the victim is either related to or intimately acquainted with the murderer) and 4.8 times more likely that someone will commit suicide. Guns make it more likely that a suicide attempt will be successful than if other means were used such as sleeping pills.

Gary Kleck conducted a survey which concluded that 2.5 million people in the US each year use guns to defend themselves. One percent of the US population is between 2 and 3 million. So, if only one percent of the survey respondents had answered the survey dishonestly that would make the results of the survey inaccurate by millions. According to the NCVS (National Crime Victim Survey) guns are used defensively less than 100,000 times each year.

The NCVS surveyed over 90,000 people. In contrast, Kleck surveyed about 5,000 people. Thus it would be reasonable to conclude that the NCVS provides a more reliable estimate of the number of defensive gun uses in the US.

An article published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (Northwestern) revealed that using methods similiar to Kleck's, it could be concluded that nearly 20 million Americans have seen aircraft from another planet and that one million Americans have had contact with aliens.

Since a small percentage of people may report virtually anything on a telephone survey, there are serious risks of overestimation in using such surveys to measure rare events. The problem becomes particularly severe when the issue has even a remote possibility of positive social desirability response bias.

Consider the responses to a national random-digit-dial telephone survey of over 1500 adults conducted in May 1994 by ABC News and the Washington Post. One question asked: 'Have you yourself ever seen anything that you believe was a spacecraft from another planet?' Ten percent of respondents answered in the affirmative. These 150 individuals were then asked, 'Have you personally ever been in contact with aliens from another planet or not?' and 6% answered 'Yes.'

By extrapolating to the national population, we might conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen spacecraft from another planet, and over a million have been in personal contact with aliens from other planets. That more than a million Americans had contact with aliens would be incredible news, but not the kind actively publicized by reputable scientists.

In America, most guns are legally owned, at first. But if stolen, they enter the black market one way or the other.

So, it is self-evident that if you have less legal guns then there will less guns entering the black market and consequently less outlaws owning guns.

Nations with strict gun control laws such as the UK, Australia and Japan have much lower gun crime rates than the US.

The most probable explanation for this is that criminals in the US have much greater access to guns due to less gun control. Would you rather have more or fewer outlaws owning guns?
 
DNC said:
Breaking the coming regulations will make YOU a criminal. That's your choice.

As to the people you mean when you say "criminal", I've already explained that one of President Obama's major tasks will be to redress the injustices (economic and racial) that have driven so many into what white AmeriKKKa called "crime".
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And there in, lies the real problem.
You are a racist.
 
DNC said:
There is no evidence that the 2nd Amendment was designed to protect an individual right to bear arms.

The 2nd Amendment established the communal right of the people to have a state military force and the 1st Amendment guarantees "the right of the people peaceably to assemble."

Gunlovers claim that the Founders intended for armed citizens to turn their guns on the government; this has never been tolerated, and the United States has prosecuted rebels.

Concern for safety and security has always been a communal one. Law enforcement has long been the answer for personal threats; American law has always viewed vigilantism and illicit use of guns as criminal despite the popularity of fictional gunlover heroes like Rambo and Dirty Harry.

To claim that the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of every individual to own weapons of any description flies in the face of logic and fact.

The United States is #1 in per-capita gun deaths among industrial nations.

Attorney General Holder and President Obama want to help us change that.

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
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As Lawrence Tribe (one of the most liberal constitutional scholars on the planet) says, "Show me where 'the people' in the 2d amendment are different from 'the people' in the fourth amendment and I might believe you that the 2d amendment was not intended to protect individual rights. You can't.
 
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