Does everyone believe Trump is guilty of insurrection?

LeftTurnClyde said:
Not as long as the republican party aids and abets treason and insurrection.
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They're spineless cowards afraid of Trump's Monster. That will pass as more of the militia leaders are arrested or die by their own hand or in a hail of bullets.
 
Phantasmal said:
It appears they will only use one day, and that will mostly be trying the Democrats and not defending Trump :laugh:
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We saw that coming. The day the Capitol was attacked they said Antifa did it.

When the FBI immediately said, "Um, no. You did it," they said, "Well, BLM though!"

And we said, "I see. But what do you have to say about Trump's role in the Capitol riot?" And they said, "Er, Maxine Waters! She said some stuff. Oh, oh, and AOC is a whore!"

And we said, "Ok, sweetheart. Hush now. Rest your sore head."

They're so predictable it's become boring. I don't even get angry anymore. It's a waste of calories over a class of Americans who wear velcro shoes.
 
LeftTurnClyde said:
one can only hope. or the party could die for all I care.
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There will always be a conservative party just like there will always be a liberal party. It's part of human nature. All I ask for is that each party is sane, responsible and abides by their oaths.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
There will always be a conservative party just like there will always be a liberal party. It's part of human nature. All I ask for is that each party is sane, responsible and abides by their oaths.
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I can agree to that, but the modern conservative party, aka the republicans, aka the fascist party, has to reform or die.
 
Diesel said:
We saw that coming. The day the Capitol was attacked they said Antifa did it.

When the FBI immediately said, "Um, no. You did it," they said, "Well, BLM though!"

And we said, "I see. But what do you have to say about Trump's role in the Capitol riot?" And they said, "Er, Maxine Waters! She said some stuff. Oh, oh, and AOC is a whore!"

And we said, "Ok, sweetheart. Hush now. Rest your sore head."

They're so predictable it's become boring. I don't even get angry anymore. It's a waste of calories over a class of Americans who wear velcro shoes.
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Isn't it amazing how they took a play from the proud boys and tried it with their treason. ANTIFA which is an antifascist movement has no history of engaging in false flag operations. it is direct action that is their modus operandi.

And by theirs I mean ours.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They're spineless cowards afraid of Trump's Monster. That will pass as more of the militia leaders are arrested or die by their own hand or in a hail of bullets.
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" In a hail of bullets"...... C.mon. Damn... :rolleyes: Drama queen much. You have quite the imagination. :laugh:
 
BidenPresident said:
Forum conservatives seem to realize Trump is guilty.
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Doesn’t any difference, he’s obviously going to be acquitted, as Trump said, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose votes, he wasn’t just talking about the lemmings

But it is the American public who are the jury, and down the road, Democrats are going to take every opportunity they have attach the name Trump to every GOP candidate. Won’t matter in those ruby Red States, but with several traditional Republican States turning purple, it will play
 
LeftTurnClyde said:
Isn't it amazing how they took a play from the proud boys and tried it with their treason. ANTIFA which is an antifascist movement has no history of engaging in false flag operations. it is direct action that is their modus operandi.

And by theirs I mean ours.
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It doesn't even matter what Antifa does, does it? Antifa needs to be judged based on its goals and actions. But Antifa has nothing to do with the riot that Trump incited on 1/6. It's just the same, tired, sophomoric, lazy tactic that the undereducated Trumpists have been playing for five years. They can never, ever focus on an issue related to the actions of a Qpublican. If you ask them what time it is or if it's going to rain tomorrow, they start clucking and burping in between spasms of, "Hillary! Obama! AOC! Harris is a whore! Biden is a pedophile! Edward Kennedy crashed a car fifty years ago!"

They're fucking brain dead. Every last one of them.
 
Diesel said:
It doesn't even matter what Antifa does, does it? Antifa needs to be judged based on its goals and actions. But Antifa has nothing to do with the riot that Trump incited on 1/6. It's just the same, tired, sophomoric, lazy tactic that the undereducated Trumpists have been playing for five years. They can never, ever focus on an issue related to the actions of a Qpublican. If you ask them what time it is or if it's going to rain tomorrow, they start clucking and burping in between spasms of, "Hillary! Obama! AOC! Harris is a whore! Biden is a pedophile! Edward Kennedy crashed a car fifty years ago!"

They're fucking brain dead. Every last one of them.
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Yep, pretty much. And every time they do that, just replace their claims with the following statement: "I CANNOT TOLERATE THE PAIN OF SEEING MY HERO FOR WHO HE IS!!!!"

Then their mewling whataboutism makes sense from a mental health standpoint. Basically, trumpers everywhere are too fragile and hurt by the downfall of their master to recognize what he's done.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's simple. The Democrats and their enablers in the MSM are currently spinning a dual narrative about the capitol riot and Trump's involvement.

On the one hand, they are saying that Trump's speech that day was the proximate cause of incitement that allowed the riot to occur. Their claim is thus, it's Trump's fault.

Then there's a second narrative that those that carried out the Capitol riot were planning it for weeks and had stockpiled items to assist in carrying this plan out. Trump cannot be blamed for these actions.

So, the question is which is it? Did Trump incite a riot with his speech or were the rioters planning to do so well in advance of that speech without Trump's knowledge of it?

The mere fact that the two narratives are in direct conflict and that the Democrats and MSM are saying both are true shows that they got nothing to actually pin the crimes they're claiming on Trump.

He's gone. He's not coming back to office. The Democrats and Left need to stop wasting the nation's time and money in a Kafkaesque Salem Witch Trial of Trump that will produce nothing. We have far bigger and more important fish to fry and the Democrats aren't even the least bit focused on any of that. It is reason enough on its own to turn them out of office in two years.
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Have you been paying any attention at all to the ongoing trial? The House Democrats spent hours talking about Trump's incitement for months before the 1/6 rally and attempted coup.

Have you been paying any attention at all to what the Democrats are doing outside of the Senate chamber? Pelosi is working on the COVID relief package and had a press conference yesterday exclusively for that purpose. Biden is working on vaccinating and has restricted most of his public comments to that topic.

If you can't make an argument without lying, then you don't have an argument.
 
Diesel said:
It doesn't even matter what Antifa does, does it? Antifa needs to be judged based on its goals and actions. But Antifa has nothing to do with the riot that Trump incited on 1/6. It's just the same, tired, sophomoric, lazy tactic that the undereducated Trumpists have been playing for five years. They can never, ever focus on an issue related to the actions of a Qpublican. If you ask them what time it is or if it's going to rain tomorrow, they start clucking and burping in between spasms of, "Hillary! Obama! AOC! Harris is a whore! Biden is a pedophile! Edward Kennedy crashed a car fifty years ago!"

They're fucking brain dead. Every last one of them.
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I agree. and history will be kinder to antifa as the movement which dates back to WWII has stood for antifascism. trying to blame their insurrection on antifa is them just admitting they are easilly duped, on both ends. They own this. the insurrectionists need to pay for their treason.
 
LeftTurnClyde said:
No. We Antifascists confront you fascists through direct action. fascism is not welcome in the USA.
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The earliest Antifa was funded and trained by the Communists of the Soviet union to bring Communism to Germany. The only good thing Hitler ever did was imprison and shoot as many as those regressive fucks as he could. The bad thing was many of their chicken shit leaders fled to western Europe and the United States to infect our people with their poison. Antifa generally only attack or confront others when they have numbers vastly in their favor. This is because they generally are the genetically faulty. The dregs and outcasts. The kids who were picked on in school because of their physical weakness or weirdness. Being part of a group makes them feel like they are FINALLY accepted and part of something. They are weak. This is why they can never fully accomplish their goal. Yes.... they are part of something. But its kinda like being a part of THE LOSERS BRIGADE....Nobody gives a fuck...:laugh:
 
LeftTurnClyde said:
I agree. and history will be kinder to antifa as the movement which dates back to WWII has stood for antifascism. trying to blame their insurrection on antifa is them just admitting they are easilly duped, on both ends. They own this. the insurrectionists need to pay for their treason.
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It dates back to BEFORE WW2,.... LIAR.
 
BidenPresident said:
Forum conservatives seem to realize Trump is guilty.
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Here's the problem.
The senate trial will not come to a decision based in any way on either justice nd reason.
We all know that.
Nearly half of the jury is comprised of the orangutan's fellow insurrectionists.
Blood red states send, by choice, criminal insurrectionists to the senate.

The founders had very few if any models to study when attempting to form a democratic republic.
They did the best that they could, but they devised a catastrophically inefficient form of government.
Modern democracies have clearly done a better job.

Also, they brought together thirteen states into a new nation that were simply not ideologically compatible to be a single nation.
Thirteen incompatible states was a tough enough challenge.
Now we have fifty of them, so frankly, we're seriously fucked.

Being optimistic about it betrays a failure to face the problem honestly and realistically.
 
Stone said:
The earliest Antifa was funded and trained by the Communists of the Soviet union to bring Communism to Germany. The only good thing Hitler ever did was imprison and shoot as many as those regressive fucks as he could. The bad thing was many of their chicken shit leaders fled to western Europe and the United States to infect our people with their poison. Antifa generally only attack or confront others when they have numbers vastly in their favor. This is because they generally are the genetically faulty. The dregs and outcasts. The kids who were picked on in school because of their physical weakness or weirdness. Being part of a group makes them feel like they are FINALLY accepted and part of something. They are weak. This is why they can never fully accomplish their goal. Yes.... they are part of something. But its kinda like being a part of THE LOSERS BRIGADE....Nobody gives a fuck...:laugh:
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Fascism should be fought by everyone, not just anarcho-socialists like myself. supporting fascism and racism has no place in this country, and capitalism is an antiquated economic system of the haves and have nots.
 
Stone said:
The earliest Antifa was funded and trained by the Communists of the Soviet union to bring Communism to Germany. The only good thing Hitler ever did was imprison and shoot as many as those regressive fucks as he could. The bad thing was many of their chicken shit leaders fled to western Europe and the United States to infect our people with their poison. Antifa generally only attack or confront others when they have numbers vastly in their favor. This is because they generally are the genetically faulty. The dregs and outcasts. The kids who were picked on in school because of their physical weakness or weirdness. Being part of a group makes them feel like they are FINALLY accepted and part of something. They are weak. This is why they can never fully accomplish their goal. Yes.... they are part of something. But its kinda like being a part of THE LOSERS BRIGADE....Nobody gives a fuck...:laugh:
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Is this feeling personal to you?....
 
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