nano Thermite found in all 911 dust samples

Well, I'm not really talking to those people here. There is nothing that will convince them.

They tell me how they "interviewed people" and other things, how they researched it. But George Noory interviewed people who believe that the center of the earth is hollow, that doesn't make it any more real.

I understand why people go there, they distrust the government as do I. Again, it doesn't mean that I have to ignore evidence that was directly before me.

My friend (the structural engineer that I spoke of earlier in the thread) took me through on video that I had saved, showed me the bowing, spoke about how the building was built and what must have happened, and this was just days after the collapse. They were still showing it on TV. I had hours and hours of it on my DVR.

If he hadn't been around for me to ask, I'd likely be BAC. If I didn't directly know pilots (taking my own classes in flying, but mine is for small craft, I wasn't at that time I was barely just looking into it) who fly these planes, I would likely believe some of the same reports BAC sees...

My brother-in-law is a welder and a project he was working on required that a certain amount of bow be built into the trusses they were building.
The reason being; if the bow wasn't build into the rafter, then when the roof was applied the trusses would fail and collapse.

Anyone want to guess how they put the bow into the truss??

The did it by applying HEAT and bending it around a pre-made form.
 
And now you want me to disprove an UNPROVEN negative!! :nono:

Kind of like the adage of:
Have you beaten your wife today: YES or NO

We can both sit here, until hell freezes over, and continue to do nothing but post OPINIONS that support our own OPINION and it means nothing; unless you feel that whoever posts the most opinion(s) wins!!
It's easy to play connect the dots, when you get to put the dots where you want to.

And just to clear up what seems to be a misunderstand; you are entitled to any opinion you want and to beleive any opinion you want, just don't try to pass it off as gospel.

By the way; did it make you feel better, to type in your little snarky comments??

All very nice prose .. perhaps you should be a writer .. 'cause you ain't much as a debater. You didn't come back with anything to refute what you claim as I did.

And by the way, yeah, my "snarky comments" feel very good. Thanks.

You seem to have no problem with snarky comments when you use them, why should I. I've attempted civil debate on this issue in every way I could save getting on my knees and begging for it. But unfounded opinion, insults, and snarky comments was all the fairy-tale believers had to offer. You aren't really looking for civil debate on this issue because just as this thread demonstrates, truth is not on your side. Nor is intelligence, science, logic, or even common sense.
 
Just like the white phospherous use in Fallugia someday the facts will just be too evident for people to believe the officail story.

As time goes by they wont be as emotionally attached to defending the Bush admin.

It will likely take decades.
 
It didn't weaken the entire building, the lower floors were not made to withstand the total collapse of the upper floors. As the most damaged place fell onto less damaged (but still damaged) floors they too collapsed, until even the places that had not yet been damaged were simply carrying too much load for their design.


LOL
so the building wasn't designed to carry it's own load?
 
It didn't weaken the entire building, the lower floors were not made to withstand the total collapse of the upper floors. As the most damaged place fell onto less damaged (but still damaged) floors they too collapsed, until even the places that had not yet been damaged were simply carrying too much load for their design.


LOL
so the building wasn't designed to carry it's own load?
Not falling on top of itself after losing many floors of support it wasn't.
 
It didn't weaken the entire building, the lower floors were not made to withstand the total collapse of the upper floors. As the most damaged place fell onto less damaged (but still damaged) floors they too collapsed, until even the places that had not yet been damaged were simply carrying too much load for their design.

Another myth is that the buildings fell perfectly into their footprints, while they did fall as designed to fail there was a lot of damage (lots on WTC 7) to surrounding buildings.

The reality is, it didn't take thermite to do this, or even "melting" steel. The only people who play into that are people who try to create paranoia in the minds of the credulous.

You're a strange case brother.

You claim to believe that truth has not been told about the events of 9/11, but all you have is disdain for those seeking truth.

You claim an exhalted position on the issues, but you repeat notions that have no basis in fact, and you have no answers for the most critical elements of your theory.

Thermite was found in ALL samples in ALL buildings and you don't have a clue why thermite would have been there. You don't have a clue.

You're repeating the pancake theory, which in all due respect, is absolutely MORONIC. You'd have to be a MORON to believe that.

IT CANNOT BE REPLICATED IN A LAB.

IT DEFIES THE LAWS OF SCIENCE, ENGINEERING, AND PHYSICS.

IT HAS BEEN REFUTED EVEN BY THE GROUP THAT FIRST PROPOSED IT, NIST.

YOU"D HAVE TO BE A FUCKING MORON TO BELIEVE IT.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics demonstrates that the speed and symmetry in which the buildings fell is IMPOSSIBLE.

FEMA refutes your claim ..

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse [”official theory”] remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis [fire/damage-caused collapse] has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue. (FEMA Report, 2002, chapter 5)

That further study was done by NIST .. who YOU use to support the silly pancake claim ... and whose conclusions on the pancake theory I've already posted.

A myth that the buildings fell into their own footprints?

050307rubble.jpg


WTC7 .. in its own footprint .. with the exterior walls collapsed on top of the roof EXACTLY as would have been done in a demolition .. at the EXACT same speed .. with the EXACT same symmetry.
 
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You're a strange case brother.

You claim to believe that truth has not been told about the events of 9/11, but all you have is disdain for those seeking truth.

You claim an exhalted position on the issues, but you repeat stupid notions that have no basis in fact, and you have no answers for the most critical elements of your theory.

Thermite was found in ALL samples in ALL buildings and you don't have a clue why thermite would have been there. You don't have a clue.

You're repeating the pancake theory, which in all due respect, is absolutely MORONIC. You'd have to be a MORON to believe that.

IT CANNOT BE REPLICATED IN A LAB.

IT DEFIES THE LAWS OF SCIENCE, ENGINEERING, AND PHYSICS.

IT HAS BEEN REFUTED EVEN BY THE GROUP THAT FIRST PROPOSED IT, NIST.

YOU"D HAVE TO BE A FUCKING MORON TO BELIEVE IT.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics demonstrates that the speed and symmetry in which the buildings fell is IMPOSSIBLE.

FEMA refutes your claim ..

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse [”official theory”] remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis [fire/damage-caused collapse] has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue. (FEMA Report, 2002, chapter 5)

That further study was done by NIST .. who YOU use to support the silly pancake claim ... and whose conclusions on the pancake theory I've already posted.

A myth that the buildings fell into their own footprints?

050307rubble.jpg


WTC7 .. in its own footprint .. with the exterior walls collapsed on top of the roof EXACTLY as would have been done in a demolition .. at the EXACT same speed .. with the EXACT same symmetry.

EVERYTHING you've said on this issue is easily refuted by facts and evidence.
I was speaking of the towers. The claim is that WTC 7 was "undamaged" by the collapse of the WTC towers. It's rubbish. The 'theorists' show you pictures of the North and East sides, ignoring the massive damage to the South face of the building. Ignoring the fact that heat can cause Steel to weaken and that Firefighters who entered the building were there to search for people and not to fight the fires. Hence the reason that I put the Firefighter talking about the damage to the building and why it appeared it would collapse. He spoke about the fact that they didn't fight the fire inside the buildings, they were busy attempting to get people out.

When the firefighter team was pulled, it created a secondary theory of the firefighters somehow being capable of ordering demolition of buildings on short notice...

Again, I said there are questions, but that Thermite did not cause the damage to the towers, you are mixing theories and building strawmen. It doesn't take thermite to weaken a steel structure, it only takes heat. The theory is that it was used to melt the steel, yet you can see the steel was not melted on the framework on the outside of the building, although it was buckling. The "melting" theory is rubbish.

I may be "strange" but that doesn't mean that I am somehow incapable of looking at the structure with a friend who builds that kind of structure and understanding what he says about it.
 
My brother-in-law is a welder and a project he was working on required that a certain amount of bow be built into the trusses they were building.
The reason being; if the bow wasn't build into the rafter, then when the roof was applied the trusses would fail and collapse.

Anyone want to guess how they put the bow into the truss??

The did it by applying HEAT and bending it around a pre-made form.

Me, me, I want to guess.

I guess they'll be applying heat that exceeds any heat that can be generated by fire alone, especially jet fuel which is basically kerosene.

.. a concept most 8th graders understand.
 
Me, me, I want to guess.

I guess they'll be applying heat that exceeds any heat that can be generated by fire alone, especially jet fuel which is basically kerosene.

.. a concept most 8th graders understand.
In order to make it semi-maleable you do not need to apply heat that you are incapable of getting from a structure fire. The steel is bent applying heat at temperatures slightly over 1400 Degrees Fahrenheit.

In order to forge steel you only need 1100 degrees. Fires in the WTC were above that temperature.

(AAArgh, crap. I let him draw me back in!... I'll let others battle this!)
 
damo, if you're going to cling to the fire heated the structure theory, you should be able to explain why thermite is present
 
I'm not going to sift throughthe garbage. post it again. You constantly ask for the rest of us to post stuff over and over.
 
I'm not going to sift throughthe garbage. post it again. You constantly ask for the rest of us to post stuff over and over.
Please. You come late to the conversation and hope that people will repeat everything that has already past?

It's in the early pages of the thread, it won't be that hard to find. Basically, Thermite is composed of rust and aluminum, two of the most plentiful substances in any modern city. It would likely be impossible not to find traces of "thermite" in any dust traces in a city where a building just collapsed. Other people got into deeper, but that's the fast and dirty catch you up version.
 
Please. You come late to the conversation and hope that people will repeat everything that has already past?

It's in the early pages of the thread, it won't be that hard to find. Basically, Thermite is composed of rust and aluminum, two of the most plentiful substances in any modern city. It would likely be impossible not to find traces of "thermite" in any dust traces in a city where a building just collapsed. Other people got into deeper, but that's the fast and dirty catch you up version.
well if it's that simplistic for you, no wonder. LOL whatever, dude. You overlook crucial evidence and insist it's normal to find to nano thermite. How the fuck can I argue with that?

It's also normal for buildings to not be able to support there own weight in your world too, so, whatever.
 
I was speaking of the towers. The claim is that WTC 7 was "undamaged" by the collapse of the WTC towers. It's rubbish. The 'theorists' show you pictures of the North and East sides, ignoring the massive damage to the South face of the building. Ignoring the fact that heat can cause Steel to weaken and that Firefighters who entered the building were there to search for people and not to fight the fires. Hence the reason that I put the Firefighter talking about the damage to the building and why it appeared it would collapse. He spoke about the fact that they didn't fight the fire inside the buildings, they were busy attempting to get people out.

When the firefighter team was pulled, it created a secondary theory of the firefighters somehow being capable of ordering demolition of buildings on short notice...

Again, I said there are questions, but that Thermite did not cause the damage to the towers, you are mixing theories and building strawmen. It doesn't take thermite to weaken a steel structure, it only takes heat. The theory is that it was used to melt the steel, yet you can see the steel was not melted on the framework on the outside of the building, although it was buckling. The "melting" theory is rubbish.

Naw brother .. I'm not mixing anything. I'm dissecting your baseless theories .. easily.

The pancake theory is stupid and has already been widely refuted .. but you keep pushing it .. ignore the truth.

Since you mentioned firefighters, here what many who were there that day have to say ..

We are actually being asked to believe the impossible - that WTC 7 was the only building in history to have defied all precedent and suffered a complete and almost instantaneous collapse from fire damage alone, despite this being an impossibility if one accepts the basic laws of physics as accurate.

The issue of molten metal, which was discovered under both the twin towers and WTC 7, suggesting an extremely hot burning agent was used in the demolition process, is completely ignored in NIST’s report, despite it being acknowledged in Appendix C of FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study, which stated:

Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel… The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.

Speaking during a press conference that was called to counter NIST, Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and a member of the American Institute of Architects, dismissed the report.

“Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack,” said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. “Steel doesn’t begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused.”

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=270

I'm betting that firefighters can tell the difference between aluminum and steel. Here'sw what they had to say about your already destroyed "aluminum theory"

moltenstreamthermate-300x274.jpg

Notice how little volume of flame we have, yet a significant amount of molten material that appears to be metal pouring out of the building.

Like Fema, you have no explanation for anything that can stand intelligent scrutiny .. as you have no explanation of why the site stayed hot for weeks .. which fire could not have caused and ONLY an agent like thermite could have caused.

Why was thermite even there .. and how did it get into ALL smaples?
 
Naw brother .. I'm not mixing anything. I'm dissecting your baseless theories .. easily.

The pancake theory is stupid and has already been widely refuted .. but you keep pushing it .. ignore the truth.

Since you mentioned firefighters, here what many who were there that day have to say ..

We are actually being asked to believe the impossible - that WTC 7 was the only building in history to have defied all precedent and suffered a complete and almost instantaneous collapse from fire damage alone, despite this being an impossibility if one accepts the basic laws of physics as accurate.

The issue of molten metal, which was discovered under both the twin towers and WTC 7, suggesting an extremely hot burning agent was used in the demolition process, is completely ignored in NIST’s report, despite it being acknowledged in Appendix C of FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study, which stated:

Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel… The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.

Speaking during a press conference that was called to counter NIST, Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and a member of the American Institute of Architects, dismissed the report.

“Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack,” said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. “Steel doesn’t begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused.”

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=270

I'm betting that firefighters can tell the difference between aluminum and steel. Here'sw what they had to say about your already destroyed "aluminum theory"

moltenstreamthermate-300x274.jpg

Notice how little volume of flame we have, yet a significant amount of molten material that appears to be metal pouring out of the building.

Like Fema, you have no explanation for anything that can stand intelligent scrutiny .. as you have no explanation of why the site stayed hot for weeks .. which fire could not have caused and ONLY an agent like thermite could have caused.

Why was thermite even there .. and how did it get into ALL smaples?
Again, you refuse to recognize the massive amount of Aluminum that happened to be there at that time. Aluminum melts at a much lower temperature, and changes color the higher the heat, at it's lowest temperature it appears silvery, but changes to a nice orange color at temperatures that were endured within the building. That molten material is far more likely the Airplane material than it is steel, mostly because we can see with our own eyes that the steel remains intact. There was tons of aluminum in the buildings which melts at temperatures much lower than even 1000 degrees. Tons of metal that could melt at temperatures lower than the fire inside the building... Hmmm...
 
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