nano Thermite found in all 911 dust samples

USFREEDOM911 said:
So he has an OPINON that he's foiund something that supports the idea that the Goverment was involved and that they've hid the truth.
You seem to accept this, without doubt; but you appear to dismiss everything else that says the Government wasn't involved.
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You miss the point again .. but this time I'm not surprised.

Pardon the use of a tired adage, but having an opinion is like having an asshole .. everybodys got one.

The difference in intelligent conversation .. which is the point you keep missing .. is having the ability to support what you claim to believe with evidence.

Enough of him, what's your point?

If you can demonstrate how the government was not involved, I'd be glad to hear it .. but come with more than just your opinion, as I have in demonstrating why I believe it is impossible for these events to have taken place without the involvement of members of this government .. and feel free at anytime in this conversation to challenge anything I've said .. but come with more than just your opinion.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And yet with all the information that's been "leaked" by those that wish to remain anymomous, nohting has come out.

You believe this; because you want to.
I guess you've dismissed the video where Bin Laden admitted to the plans being made and laughing abouit the hijackers that weren't informed of the intended plan to fly the planes into the tower.

The towers collapsed; because of the pancake effect.
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Ahh, finally we get around to voicing your position on 9/11 .. and now I know why it took this long for you to get around to it. It's ridiculous and the opinion of someone who completely doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

The pancake theory? :eek:

Ever taken a science class? There is this thing called the Law of Conservation of Momentum, which is one of the foundational Laws of Physics. That Law, among many others, clearly demonstrates that what you're talking about is ridiculous and only intended for the unlearned mind. That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors and intact steel support columns, the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. It real simple science that most 8th graders can understand.

Find any science that would suggest that undamaged supports would offer no resistance to collapse and allow the structures to fall at free-fall speed. I'm betting you don't have any .. just opinion.

Dude, the pancake theory is such a ridculously stupid notion, that even NIST had to refute it's own findings when they tested the steel and came face-to-face with EVIDENCE and SCIENCE.

"The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11th"
Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf

You wanna' know why you didn't know that?

It's because you don't know what you're talking about sir, thus, I have a suggestion.

On your own, you're just tooooo easy .. as I just demonstrated.

How about you gathering a whole group of fairy-tale believers, get as many informed, studied, and professional people as you can, then as a unit, see if you can fare any better with evidence than other fairy-tale believers on this site, including you. I'm betting that people with brains here end of spanking the asses of your entire group no matter who was in it .. because one would have to be a moron to believe the fairy-tale of 9/11.

Did I dismiss the Bin Laden video?

:lmao:

I guess it depends on which Bin Laden you're talking about.

The real Bin Laden gave an interview on Umat, Pakistani media, and said this ..

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Of course the US media didn't tell lemming-people about this interview .. which is known to the rest of planet earth.

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his rold in the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake?

Naw, you didn't know.

Not many news media organizations reported this. The "Bin Laden" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy to be Bin Laden.

Didn't know that either, eh?

I'm betting you don't know the rescue of Jessica Lynch was a staged fraud.

I'm betting you don't know the toppling of Saddam's statue was a staged fraud .. directed by Jerry Bruckheimer.

Here's your Bin Laden tape ..

ciaosama.jpg


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blackascoal said:
If you can demonstrate how the government was not involved, I'd be glad to hear it .. .
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And now you want me to disprove an UNPROVEN negative!! :nono:

Kind of like the adage of:
Have you beaten your wife today: YES or NO

We can both sit here, until hell freezes over, and continue to do nothing but post OPINIONS that support our own OPINION and it means nothing; unless you feel that whoever posts the most opinion(s) wins!!
It's easy to play connect the dots, when you get to put the dots where you want to.

And just to clear up what seems to be a misunderstand; you are entitled to any opinion you want and to beleive any opinion you want, just don't try to pass it off as gospel.

By the way; did it make you feel better, to type in your little snarky comments??
 
blackascoal said:
Ahh, finally we get around to voicing your position on 9/11 .. and now I know why it took this long for you to get around to it. It's ridiculous and the opinion of someone who completely doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

The pancake theory? :eek:

Ever taken a science class? There is this thing called the Law of Conservation of Momentum, which is one of the foundational Laws of Physics. That Law, among many others, clearly demonstrates that what you're talking about is ridiculous and only intended for the unlearned mind. That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors and intact steel support columns, the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. It real simple science that most 8th graders can understand.

Find any science that would suggest that undamaged supports would offer no resistance to collapse and allow the structures to fall at free-fall speed. I'm betting you don't have any .. just opinion.

Dude, the pancake theory is such a ridculously stupid notion, that even NIST had to refute it's own findings when they tested the steel and came face-to-face with EVIDENCE and SCIENCE.

"The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11th"
Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf

You wanna' know why you didn't know that?

It's because you don't know what you're talking about sir, thus, I have a suggestion.

On your own, you're just tooooo easy .. as I just demonstrated.

How about you gathering a whole group of fairy-tale believers, get as many informed, studied, and professional people as you can, then as a unit, see if you can fare any better with evidence than other fairy-tale believers on this site, including you. I'm betting that people with brains here end of spanking the asses of your entire group no matter who was in it .. because one would have to be a moron to believe the fairy-tale of 9/11.

Did I dismiss the Bin Laden video?

:lmao:

I guess it depends on which Bin Laden you're talking about.

The real Bin Laden gave an interview on Umat, Pakistani media, and said this ..

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Of course the US media didn't tell lemming-people about this interview .. which is known to the rest of planet earth.

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his rold in the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake?

Naw, you didn't know.

Not many news media organizations reported this. The "Bin Laden" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy to be Bin Laden.

Didn't know that either, eh?

I'm betting you don't know the rescue of Jessica Lynch was a staged fraud.

I'm betting you don't know the toppling of Saddam's statue was a staged fraud .. directed by Jerry Bruckheimer.

Here's your Bin Laden tape ..

ciaosama.jpg


:)
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Then your method of discussion, is to just dismiss that which makes you uncomfortable.
I'm glad we got that cleared up. It will make future exchanges much more entertaining.
I am sorry that I made you feel uncomfotable.
I give you permission to reply and to make the attempt to feel superior.
Ready
Set
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So you get you facts from Umat, Pakistani media...how quaint...
and how inane...
The OBL tape we saw was a short, fat Egyptian ? Really?
And your proof is that cartoon photo from JackBlood.com ? Is that what you'll have us believe ?
Its the Koolade dude...its fuckin' up your neurons....
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Jessica Lynch was a staged fraud? Off topic, but I'll address that at the end...

the toppling of Saddam's statue was a staged fraud .. directed by Jerry Bruckheimer.
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You wanna try proving that nonsense...you claiming he was on the scene?
All the Iraqi's were extras or something? did it take more than one take?

Are you for freekin' real....are you a friend of April 15 ? Shes a few trees short of forest too...
There is nothing to debate here, ...your remarks are far too ridiculous to deserve
a serious response...to label you 'fringe' wouldn't be fair to Rosie ODonnells and Joy Behars of the world
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aef_1177608443&p=1
Jessica Lynch rescue video...

Here is the video...I see no claims made in the video about anything..
They confirmed a diversionary "attack" to draw attention away form the hospital, .....though the US military were informed that the enemy had left the area the day before, I see no attempt at fraud in the video...they went by the book....only a fool would take the story of no enemy being present at face value...and risk an ambush...

Now, concerning the Pentagon officials...I agree...they definitely made inaccurate claims about Lynch and her roll in the fight, and the extend of her wounds...no doubt, this was an attempt to hype the whole thing to make her appear a hero...a lie that the msm just ran with...
caught immediately and rectified...and thats really the point...these attempts at lying don't hold up ...the conspiracy to make Lynch a hero didn't last long enough to even let the clowns make a few TV interviews....

Later...
Pentagon officials disputed a report appearing in the Washington Post that Lynch had fought back, and the first official report of Lynch's actions during her capture released by the Pentagon weeks later said that she did not appear to have fought back against her captors. The stories of her supposed heroics that day were spread by the news media and by Congressmen from her own state of West Virginia.

Did the crazy Waxman hearings ever accuse anyone with anything other than getting the story all wrong?

Months after returning, Lynch finally began speaking to the public. Her statements tended to be sharply critical of the original story that was reported by the Washington Post.

So...claiming Pentagon "bullshit" is FRAUD is technically accurate but hardly serious....
much like Kerry's Purple Heart wounds....technically accurate but hardly serious.

How about the moon landing ? Was that staged too...??
 
tinfoil said:
what kind of moron thinks the bin laden videos were real?
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Yeah. This one is ridiculous. Look at the length of the nose. Pure propaganda.

And the whole Lynch thing, the toppling of Hussein's statue. Only blind lemmings don't know the truth about that shit. But in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
 
bravo said:
You need REALPLAYER to watch the video....
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Here's a video...


One thing that should be explained right away, the only people who say the steel "melted" are the conspiracy theorists. The NIST report says it was "weakened", which caused bowing, which is actually evident in pictures that were taken of the building during the disaster.

MIT Engineers explained this (my college roommate that I spoke of earlier also explained this to me, I majored in math, he went the engineering route many of our classes overlapped).

Basically, the evidence shows that the bowing did take place, and that this is the cause of the collapse, the metal never had to melt. The metal was compromised to begin with as the plane impacts blasted off the fireproofing, then the fires weakened the structure bowing the trusses. Well, you can see it.

Anyway, Steel begins to lose its integrity at about 1430 Degrees. In some places in the building the fire was upwards of 1800 Degrees. Again, you can see that in the video.
 
Another video with Firefighters explaining how the building WTC 7 was going to fall and why.


You have to watch until the end of the video, he points out white smoke, that the building was going to fall because the structural integrity was no longer there.

And believe me, Representative Press are not fans of Bush.

There is a reason that the theorists only show you the North and East sides of the building, it was because the damaged South side shows massive damage to the building.
 
And finally stuff about the Pentagon. I like this one, it even shows the collapse of the wings and how it would happen. Although in their computer diagram it doesn't talk about how the right wing was seriously damaged already as it had hit a 20 Ton generator outside.

 
those are pathetic
Some faceless video calling people conspiracy theorists which simply simplifies the process. LOL why did the fire weaken portions of building that were not on fire? We could expect the regions of fire weakened steel to coollapse, but the entire building? LOL

OKAY!! whatever you want to believe.
 
tinfoil said:
those are pathetic
Some faceless video calling people conspiracy theorists which simply simplifies the process. LOL why did the fire weaken portions of building that were not on fire? We could expect the regions of fire weakened steel to coollapse, but the entire building? LOL

OKAY!! whatever you want to believe.
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It didn't weaken the entire building, the lower floors were not made to withstand the total collapse of the upper floors. As the most damaged place fell onto less damaged (but still damaged) floors they too collapsed, until even the places that had not yet been damaged were simply carrying too much load for their design.

Another myth is that the buildings fell perfectly into their footprints, while they did fall as designed to fail there was a lot of damage (lots on WTC 7) to surrounding buildings.

The reality is, it didn't take thermite to do this, or even "melting" steel. The only people who play into that are people who try to create paranoia in the minds of the credulous.
 
Earlier BAC posted a picture with the molten material falling from the NE corner of the South Tower moments before its collapse and used that as evidence of thermite.

The plane hit and piled itself and debris into that corner, the fire burned hot enough to melt aluminum (what the plane was made of) easily.

Here is another video with an explanation of that one.

 
Damocles said:
Here's a video...

YouTube - 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Debunked

One thing that should be explained right away, the only people who say the steel "melted" are the conspiracy theorists. The NIST report says it was "weakened", which caused bowing, which is actually evident in pictures that were taken of the building during the disaster.

MIT Engineers explained this (my college roommate that I spoke of earlier also explained this to me, I majored in math, he went the engineering route many of our classes overlapped).

Basically, the evidence shows that the bowing did take place, and that this is the cause of the collapse, the metal never had to melt. The metal was compromised to begin with as the plane impacts blasted off the fireproofing, then the fires weakened the structure bowing the trusses. Well, you can see it.

Anyway, Steel begins to lose its integrity at about 1430 Degrees. In some places in the building the fire was upwards of 1800 Degrees. Again, you can see that in the video.
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Thanks Damo.
But you can probably expect certain individuals to refute this, by just saying it's a lie.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Thanks Damo.
But you can probably expect certain individuals to refute this, by just saying it's a lie.
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Well, I'm not really talking to those people here. There is nothing that will convince them.

They tell me how they "interviewed people" and other things, how they researched it. But George Noory interviewed people who believe that the center of the earth is hollow, that doesn't make it any more real.

I understand why people go there, they distrust the government as do I. Again, it doesn't mean that I have to ignore evidence that was directly before me.

My friend (the structural engineer that I spoke of earlier in the thread) took me through on video that I had saved, showed me the bowing, spoke about how the building was built and what must have happened, and this was just days after the collapse. They were still showing it on TV. I had hours and hours of it on my DVR.

If he hadn't been around for me to ask, I'd likely be BAC. If I didn't directly know pilots (taking my own classes in flying, but mine is for small craft, I wasn't at that time I was barely just looking into it) who fly these planes, I would likely believe some of the same reports BAC sees...
 
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