NO. It's a fabricated lie filled narrative promoted by the Democratic Party of the Jackass and their PRAVDA like media allies in the belief that all Americans are as dumb as their constituency.
Is white Christian nationalism actually a thing?
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NO. It's a fabricated lie filled narrative promoted by the Democratic Party of the Jackass and their PRAVDA like media allies in the belief that all Americans are as dumb as their constituency.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
It was deliberate. They are sending messages. It is who they are.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Dude, if I want to ignore you I’ll just ignore you lol.
Might actually go back to it after this.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
The US checks and balances are a bad joke.
Our Constitution was written at a time when democracies were not the prevalent form of government.
It was a good effort for its time, but today it's ludicrously obsolete.
Since then, the modern parliamentary democracy has been invented, and virtually every modern democracy has adopted it.
Nobody has chosen a system like ours, for very good reason, except for the notoriously corrupt Philippines.
Who holds them up as the gold standard?
Too many of us are so gripped with nationalist / chauvinistic fervor that we think with the wrong anatomical equipment.
When you think with your heart instead of your brain, somebody's always there to cut of your balls and then stick the knife in your back.
Our form of government is an inefficient catastrophe.
It was innovative for its time, but now, it's a biplane in the era of B1 bombers.
People don't have the courage to criticize it because they think that would be unpatriotic.
In the sane world, anything we could do to make this nation better IS patriotic.
The founders even instructed us to always strive for a more perfect union,
but nobody is really trying to do that.
I never throw the virtual switch on ignores or thread bans. I do keep a running number in my head who is and who isn't a credible person. Who is a reasonable, logical person. Obviously the pitfall is letting emotional/political feelings distort the reasoning.
I can disagree 100% politically and we can never get (very) emotional about it with some people. Others bang their emotion button like the big red one on "The Voice". Either their reply is entirely emotional and, obviously, lacking in logic or they heavily distort what truths they have to say by wrapping it in emotion.
What are you thoughts about my observation?
Disagreed. OTOH, I do agree it needs support. We keep chipping away at everything until there's nothing left with no plan to fix or replace it.
The Constitution has an Amendment system, a fact most Monarchist Eurotrash assholes don't understand.
Yes, Italy, Greece, Ireland. Euro is littered with the effectiveness of the Eurotrash governments. Do you favor one in particular, Lick?
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
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NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
No, but I'm hard pressed to find anything among modern democracies as inefficient as ours.
The founders were so afraid of a dictator in that era of kings that they designed a government guaranteed not to work.
[And the Constitution worshipers STILL hate government.]
If that was their actual intent, they succeeded gloriously, but we shouldn't be celebrating the fact.
The amendment provision was indeed an excellent idea, I admit, but now we live in a time when further amendments are absolutely impossible.
We need a page one re-write, but for the people we have in the present US, no one document would do the trick.
That's why I like Cinnabar's Blueexit.
Two new constitutions might make enough people happy.
The founders were so afraid of a dictator in that era of kings that they designed a government guaranteed not to work.
[And the Constitution worshipers STILL hate government.]
If that was their actual intent, they succeeded gloriously, but we shouldn't be celebrating the fact.
The amendment provision was indeed an excellent idea, I admit, but now we live in a time when further amendments are absolutely impossible.
We need a page one re-write, but for the people we have in the present US, no one document would do the trick.
That's why I like Cinnabar's Blueexit.
Two new constitutions might make enough people happy.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Basically agree.
I don’t do the iggy button because it’s used as a kind of ‘taking my ball and going home’ thing and I think it’s goofy. I agree about the emotional posting so I try to debate ideas from the standpoint of logic. Though none of us are androids.
Thank you, sir. Agreed on all points.
It's easy to get wrapped up in the emotion. BTDT. Still do but I try to limit it. Thanks for the reply.
The Waltons? You mean Walmart? The Walmart Hillary Clinton was on the board of ? That one? You stupid fuck.
A coalition of evangelical Christian leaders is condemning the role of "radicalized Christian nationalism" in feeding the political extremism that led to the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 by supporters of former President Donald Trump.
In an open letter, more than 100 pastors, ministry and seminary leaders, and other prominent evangelicals express concern about the growing "radicalization" they're seeing, particularly among white evangelicals.
The letter notes that some members of the mob that stormed the Capitol carried Christian symbols and signs that read, "Jesus Saves," and that one of the rioters stood on the Senate rostrum and led a Christian prayer. The letter calls on other Christian leaders to take a public stand against racism, Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories and political extremism.
The letter reads, in part:
"We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin."
"Baptizing" extremism with religion
"I am not trying to assign to people something that they didn't want assigned to them — that they were moving and marching in Christ's name," organizer Doug Pagitt said during a recent Zoom call with other signers of the letter. Pagitt, who leads the progressive evangelical group Vote Common Good, highlighted the prayer shouted from the Senate rostrum, which was conducted in a style typical of many charismatic and evangelical churches.
"We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin."
"Baptizing" extremism with religion
"I am not trying to assign to people something that they didn't want assigned to them — that they were moving and marching in Christ's name," organizer Doug Pagitt said during a recent Zoom call with other signers of the letter. Pagitt, who leads the progressive evangelical group Vote Common Good, highlighted the prayer shouted from the Senate rostrum, which was conducted in a style typical of many charismatic and evangelical churches.
"People from our very communities called people to this action in the days before, unleashed them into the Capitol, and then chose to baptize that action in the name of Christ," Pagitt said. "And this is our time where we need to stand up."
White evangelical Christians made up a critical part of Trump's base, and a majority supported him in both 2016 and 2020. A recent survey by the American Enterprise Institute found that 3 in 5 white evangelicals believe — falsely — that President Biden was not legitimately elected.
Prominent white evangelical leaders have been among Trump's most vocal supporters. Several, including Ralph Reed of the Faith & Freedom Coalition and Dallas-based pastor Robert Jeffress, have condemned the insurrection but remained steadfast in their support for Trump.
Signers of the open letter calling out Christian nationalism include Jerushah Duford, a granddaughter of the evangelical preacher, the late Rev. Billy Graham. In an interview with NPR, Duford said she was "heartbroken" by the events of Jan. 6, a feeling she said she experienced throughout the Trump years as she watched many white evangelical leaders align themselves with him.
"It felt like this was a symptom of what has been happening for a long time," she said.
"White evangelical brothers and sisters, where are you?"
During last week's Zoom call, Mae Elise Cannon, of the ecumenical group Churches for Middle East Peace, called out unnamed evangelical leaders who she said have declined to sign, citing concerns including how it would go over with their churches or religious organizations.
"White evangelical brothers and sisters, where are you?" Cannon said. "There's a few of us on this call today, but let me tell you how many people said 'no.' "
Another signer, Kevin Riggs, pastors a small church near Nashville affiliated with the Free Will Baptist denomination, which he describes as "to the right of everybody." Riggs said in an interview with NPR that he may receive pushback from other pastors for signing the statement, but he expects his congregation, which devotes much of its time to working with people facing homelessness, incarceration and addiction, to support him.
"I wanted to sign this statement just to say that Christian nationalism is not only wrong, but it's heretical," Riggs told other leaders on the Zoom call, adding that evangelical leaders must take responsibility for "rooting out this evil in our churches."
Another signer, Kevin Riggs, pastors a small church near Nashville affiliated with the Free Will Baptist denomination, which he describes as "to the right of everybody." Riggs said in an interview with NPR that he may receive pushback from other pastors for signing the statement, but he expects his congregation, which devotes much of its time to working with people facing homelessness, incarceration and addiction, to support him.
"I wanted to sign this statement just to say that Christian nationalism is not only wrong, but it's heretical," Riggs told other leaders on the Zoom call, adding that evangelical leaders must take responsibility for "rooting out this evil in our churches."
Good to see them stand up for righteousness again. They did the same for the "Prosperity Christianity" bullshit.
Yes, it often takes a while...
But I think some of those prosperity gospel preachers are still on the Christian networks??
There are about 2000 varieties of Christianity in the US. Sure, the larger organizations dominate the media, but millions of Americans are honest Christian citizens minding their own business and not trying to push it on to others.
Not sure if there are prosperity preachers on television since I never watch them.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Oh, there are definitely Christian hucksters out there. And unfortunately, no shortage of people who send them money.
Donb't watch much tv & zero of that so I dunno either but I know they are still around hustling up a good living..
"Prosperity Christianity" has been declared blasphemy which is why Trump embraces it.
Example. Here is
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ot-welcome-blasphemous-prosperity-gospel.html
Televangelist and founder of World Changers Church International, Creflo Dollar, has been branded as "blasphemous" and declared a persona non grata in Glasgow by high profile moderator of the Free Church of Scotland, the Rev. David Robertson.
Pointing to Dollar's reputation as a proponent of the prosperity gospel, Robertson, Moderator of the Free Church of Scotland, told Scottish news publication The National that Dollar should stay away from the country.
"Creflo Dollar coming here is appalling. He's a multimillionaire, American, televangelist and we really do not need him here. The church doesn't need him. It's embarrassing to have somebody like that come. His prosperity gospel is blasphemous. It's not what people in Scotland need to hear," said Robertson, who is regarded as one of Scotland's boldest Christian broadcasters.