AProudLefty
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Well the video was made in 2018.
Another great example of how snopes is full of shit.
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Well the video was made in 2018.
AProudLefty
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So that was before the encounter. He hasn't said he served in Vietnam AFTER the encounter.
so what? he spent his life telling people and soliciting funds based on his claim of being a vietnam "recon ranger" who served in theater. his stolen valor is proved yet snopes calls it "unproven"
come on man, I respect you, concede this one my friend.
AProudLefty
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You just want everyone to agree with you that Snopes is full of shit.
No idea why.
Any more examples of erroneous fact checks from Snopes we can discuss about? Or is it only those two examples out of thousands?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Obfuscating what? He said "Vietnam times" or "Vietnam era". In fact I decided to continue reading and scrolling down on that Snopes article and it turns out that they were talking about that video you posted and there are a few other older videos posted too.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
In a 2018 Vogue article about Standing Rock, Phillips referenced Vietnam and his being “a recon ranger,” but again the statement was ambiguous — he said he was “from Vietnam times” and that “I’m what they call a recon ranger,” but it was again unclear whether he intended his statement to convey that he had actually served as a “recon ranger” in Vietnam (which he did not), or whether he was using the term “recon ranger” to describe his post-military activities:
“I have a relative here who said he’d lead the way and scout ahead for us,” Phillips continued, his voice breaking. “You know, I’m from Vietnam times. I’m what they call a recon ranger. That was my role. So I thank you for taking that point position for me.”
“I have a relative here who said he’d lead the way and scout ahead for us,” Phillips continued, his voice breaking. “You know, I’m from Vietnam times. I’m what they call a recon ranger. That was my role. So I thank you for taking that point position for me.”
he also said "vietnam veterean" who served "in theater" and was a "recon ranger".
right, so they have all the evidence, how the fuck is it "unproven"?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
In a 2008 article about Native American veterans, Phillips was cited as maintaining that he had been called “a baby killer” and spat upon — experiences commonly reported by Vietnam veterans returning to the U.S. — but that article now identifies him as a “veteran of the Vietnam era” and notes in a correction that “This article has been adjusted from its original version to show that Nathan Phillips was a Vietnam-era veteran and that he was spit on while in uniform as opposed to when he was returning from combat.” Did Phillips explicitly say he suffered such indignities while returning to the U.S. from Vietnam, or did the writer mistakenly assume that from something less specific that Phillips said to him?
AProudLefty
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READ carefully.
there is no such thing as a "Recon ranger" and he was a refrigeration specialist who went awol 3 or more times.
maybe a "Freon ranger" but come on now stop. this is a sinking ship and the life boat's name is "dignity" you know I am right.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Another Vogue article from January 2019 about Phillips stated that he “joined the Marines and served as an infantryman in the Vietnam War,” but that reference was soon excised from the article (without a correction notice). Again, did Phillips explicitly tell the writer he was “an infantryman in the Vietnam War,” or was that yet another misunderstanding of something Phillips (or someone else) said?
It’s difficult to determine at this point whether Phillips has deliberately misrepresented the nature of his service, whether he has been so vague and ambiguous in many of his descriptions (unintentionally or otherwise) that misinterpretations have entered his narrative, or whether he has tried to be accurate but may have just occasionally slipped up in his many, many hours of conversation and sometimes neglected to include the qualifiers about his service that he has used in many other videos and press interviews. Nonetheless, at times it has certainly sounded as though Phillips was trying to foster the impression that he had both served during the Vietnam War and had been deployed to Vietnam at some point during his service, even if he didn’t literally say so.
It’s difficult to determine at this point whether Phillips has deliberately misrepresented the nature of his service, whether he has been so vague and ambiguous in many of his descriptions (unintentionally or otherwise) that misinterpretations have entered his narrative, or whether he has tried to be accurate but may have just occasionally slipped up in his many, many hours of conversation and sometimes neglected to include the qualifiers about his service that he has used in many other videos and press interviews. Nonetheless, at times it has certainly sounded as though Phillips was trying to foster the impression that he had both served during the Vietnam War and had been deployed to Vietnam at some point during his service, even if he didn’t literally say so.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Right. That quote is from Snopes!!!!! The one that you said it's full of shit!
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Again I said READ carefully. Eventually you'll get it.BTW how can they be dishonest about it when they even talked about what you're talking about!!!!
Anyway, why is this important to you? Do you have a beef with Snopes?
BTW how can they be dishonest about it when they even talked about what you're talking about!!!!
Anyway, why is this important to you? Do you have a beef with Snopes?
how is it unproven?
you and I agree it's been proven.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Yes we agree that it has been proven that he didn't serve in Vietnam.
Fact-checking Big Money. https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20120928/NEWS/801246493 The fact-checking organizations including Snopes, do very good jobs However rightys long ago learned that attacking sources works on their followers. It is all a form of swift boating.