? For the gun grabbers

[LV426]

It's an excellent tool for the job. There are other methods as many celebrities continue to prove. My Plan B is really good drugs and a cold night, but Plan C is a .45.

Here's the other thing...

The success rates for suicide attempts with drugs, hanging, or other forms of self-harm are much lower than the success rate for suicide attempts with guns.

So even if you tried to assume that all 25,000 of those gun suicides would be other suicides, you couldn't really count on that full 25,000 number because suicide attempts by overdosing, hanging, or slitting your wrists sometimes -not always- but sometimes don't work.

So removing guns from the picture would certainly reduce that suicide rate by a ton.

 

[LV426]

Only someone who isn't very bright would believe banning all guns would drop the suicide rate by 25K/annum.

It could drop it by that much, it could drop it by less...but the point is that it would drop because suicide attempts with guns are way more successful than suicide attempts any other way.

 

[Monad Portal]

At his age, he's probably advocating the Early Bird Special at some shitty cafeteria hear his assisted living home.

zing! lmao

 

[LV426]

It's an excellent tool for the job. There are other methods as many celebrities continue to prove. My Plan B is really good drugs and a cold night, but Plan C is a .45.

Only someone who isn't very bright would believe banning all guns would drop the suicide rate by 25K/annum.

And the other part of this is that undiagnosed mental illness like depression or bipolar doesn't prevent that person from buying a gun.

They can only be prevented from buying the gun after they've been diagnosed.

So if you have a mentally ill person who wants to commit mass murder, and has never been diagnosed, there is no obstacle to that person getting a gun in order to commit that violent act.

^^^THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE, IF WE ARE TO BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY MENTAL ILLNESS IS WHY THESE MASS SHOOTINGS HAPPEN^^^

 

[Monad Portal]

It could drop it by that much, it could drop it by less...but the point is that it would drop because suicide attempts with guns are way more successful than suicide attempts any other way.

they'll find something else. you fucking moron.

 

[Legion]

they'll find something else. you fucking moron.

Loose Vagina 426 should never kill himself, because I wouldn't be able to enjoy reading his posts if he was gone.

 

[Monad Portal]

And the other part of this is that undiagnosed mental illness like depression or bipolar doesn't prevent that person from buying a gun.

They can only be prevented from buying the gun after they've been diagnosed.

So if you have a mentally ill person who wants to commit mass murder, and has never been diagnosed, there is no obstacle to that person getting a gun in order to commit that violent act.

^^^THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE, IF WE ARE TO BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY MENTAL ILLNESS IS WHY THESE MASS SHOOTINGS HAPPEN^^^

psychiatry has become a completely politicized field, like most.

 

[LV426]

they'll find something else. you fucking moron.

They'll TRY something else, but suicide attempts by overdose, hanging, or any other way are not as successful as suicide attempts by guns.

More people survive suicide attempts by overdosing than by gunshot, for example.

 

[LV426]

Loose Vagina 426 should never kill himself, because I wouldn't be able to enjoy reading his posts if he was gone.

That's because you're a masochist who gets off on getting the shit kicked out of you.

 

[Monad Portal]

Loose Vagina 426 should never kill himself, because I wouldn't be able to enjoy reading his posts if he was gone.

no worries, he probably couldn't figure out another way. We're stuck with him.

 

[LV426]

psychiatry has become a completely politicized field, like most.

OK, so you're blaming mental illness for gun violence, but then saying that mental illness diagnosis is political.

So you're saying nothing, and wasting everyone's time.

 

[Legion]

no worries, he probably couldn't figure out another way. We're stuck with him.

I'm glad, he's funny.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here's the other thing...

The success rates for suicide attempts with drugs, hanging, or other forms of self-harm are much lower than the success rate for suicide attempts with guns.

So even if you tried to assume that all 25,000 of those gun suicides would be other suicides, you couldn't really count on that full 25,000 number because suicide attempts by overdosing, hanging, or slitting your wrists sometimes -not always- but sometimes don't work.

So removing guns from the picture would certainly reduce that suicide rate by a ton.

Correct. The link talks about suicide attempts.

Here's the reason why you and I disagree: You want to ban guns, supposedly, to save lives. Not once have you mentioned better mental health care for the suicidal. Not once. All you care about is control. You don't give a fuck about saving a single life as long as you can push your views onto others. Sad.

Is it because most US suicides are white men?

Most attempts are women. The slitting thing, some pills, etc mean they are depressed, but their heart isn't in it. A .45 to the head is a certainty. So is suddenly swerving into a head on with a semi-truck. Will you ban cars too or just send the driver to prison for reckless driving if they survive? LOL

 

[Monad Portal]

They'll TRY something else, but suicide attempts by overdose, hanging, or any other way are not as successful as suicide attempts by guns.

More people survive suicide attempts by overdosing than by gunshot, for example.

but you're still an idiot. they will still find a way. I cant get over how retarded you are.

knife murder skyrocketed in jolly old england when they took guns, even though, yes, guns are better.

 

[Monad Portal]

Correct. The link talks about suicide attempts.

Here's the reason why you and I disagree: You want to ban guns, supposedly, to save lives. Not once have you mentioned better mental health care for the suicidal. Not once. All you care about is control. You don't give a fuck about saving a single life as long as you can push your views onto others. Sad.

Is it because most US suicides are white men?

Most attempts are women. The slitting thing, some pills, etc mean they are depressed, but their heart isn't in it. A .45 to the head is a certainty. So is suddenly swerving into a head on with a semi-truck. Will you ban cars too or just send the driver to prison for reckless driving if they survive? LOL

he's a population reduction nazi.

 

[LV426]

Correct. The link talks about suicide attempts.

I know, I read it in the link! And it confirmed what I've been saying; suicide attempts by guns have a much higher success rate than any other means.

You want to ban guns, supposedly, to save lives. Not once have you mentioned better mental health care for the suicidal. Not once. All you care about is control. You don't give a fuck about saving a single life as long as you can push your views onto others. Sad.

1. I support M4A which would extend mental health to everyone for no out of pocket costs or fees. YOU DO NOT, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR.

2. For someone to kill themselves with a gun, they first need to get the gun. If that suicidal person is undiagnosed, then they will face zero obstacles getting the gun. If that suicidal person had to submit to a mental health evaluation before buying the gun, then they wouldn't be able to get the gun because they were diagnosed as depressed and/or suicidal.

So any discussion about mental health within the context of guns has to be around mandatory pre-screenings.

In short, if you want to blame mental illness for gun deaths, then you need to support pre-screening (and current screening) of potential killers or suicide.

Do you support that?

 

[LV426]

Is it because most US suicides are white men?

Only one of us opposes M4A, which would include free-at-the-point-of-care mental health for anyone....and that person who opposes universal mental health care sure as shit ain't me.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It could drop it by that much, it could drop it by less...but the point is that it would drop because suicide attempts with guns are way more successful than suicide attempts any other way.

The Earth could be invaded by Space Aliens tomorrow, but I doubt that will happen too.

Why do you have such an aversion to data? Facts? Anything more than your own opinion?

Some facts from the BBC and WHO which don't get bogged down in your desire to dominate people and strip them of their rights:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women
In 2016, the last year global data is available from the World Health Organization (WHO), there were an estimated 793,000 suicide deaths worldwide.Most were men.

In the UK, the male suicide rate is its lowest since 1981 – 15.5 deaths per 100,000. But suicide is still the single biggest killer of men under the age of 45. And a marked gender split remains. For UK women, the rate is a third of men’s: 4.9 suicides per 100,000.

It’s the same in many other countries. Compared to women, men are three times more likely to die by suicide in Australia, 3.5 times more likely in the US and more than four times more likely in Russia and Argentina. WHO’s data show that nearly 40% of countries have more than 15 suicide deaths per 100,000 men; only 1.5% show a rate that high for women.

The trend goes back a long way. "As long as we've been recording it, we've seen this disparity," says psychologist Jill Harkavy-Friedman, vice-president of research for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, a health organisation that supports those affected by suicide.

Suicide is a hugely sensitive, complex issue with a tangled multitude of causes – and the very nature of a death by suicide means we can never fully know the reasons behind it.

Still, as mental health awareness has grown, there is greater public understanding about potential contributing factors. One of the questions that has persisted, though, regards this gender gap. It seems especially large given that women tend to have higher rates of depression diagnoses.

Women also are even more likely than men to attempt suicide. In the US for example, adult women in the US reported a suicide attempt 1.2 times as often as men. But male suicide methods are often more violent, making them more likely to be completed before anyone can intervene. Access to means is a big contributing factor: in the US for example, six-in-10 gun owners are men – and firearms account for more than half of suicides.

Men may also choose these methods because they’re more intent on completing the act. One study of more than 4,000 hospital patients who had engaged in self-harm found, for example, that the men had higher levels of suicidal intent than the women.

Not that you give a shit about saving lives, LV426.

 

[LV426]

Most attempts are women. The slitting thing, some pills, etc mean they are depressed, but their heart isn't in it. A .45 to the head is a certainty. So is suddenly swerving into a head on with a semi-truck. Will you ban cars too or just send the driver to prison for reckless driving if they survive? LOL

Will you be a sophist or will you engage in good faith?

How many people kill themselves by swerving into a truck every year?

 

[LV426]

but you're still an idiot. they will still find a way.

They will TRY, but they won't be as successful.

knife murder skyrocketed in jolly old england

No it didn't.

What you'll do is misrepresent the percentage increase while leaving out the gross numbers.

So you'll say something like, "it skyrocketed by 25%"...failing to note that 25% of 4 is just 1.