This will flush any recovery!

The problem with nuclear power is storing the wastes. Given the long half-life of some of the material, conventional storage is not an option. I question whether private industry will provide suitable storage, since there is little profit in creating a 10k year facility.

Other than that, let it run for profit.
 
WinterBorn said:
The problem with nuclear power is storing the wastes. Given the long half-life of some of the material, conventional storage is not an option. I question whether private industry will provide suitable storage, since there is little profit in creating a 10k year facility.

Other than that, let it run for profit.
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Ever hear of perpetual interest income? At 7% $1,000,000 generates $70,000 per year, forever. That's how private corporations can fund these depositories.
 
Southern Man said:
Ever hear of perpetual interest income? At 7% $1,000,000 generates $70,000 per year, forever. That's how private corporations can fund these depositories.
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The waste in these depositories will be lethal for 1,000 years. The profound changes in societies and civilizations mean the depositories need to be built with expectations of huge changes.

There are very few languages that have gone 1,000 years without changing enough to render them all but useless. Even symbols may or may not survive in an understandable way.

I was not referring to how we pay the rent-a-cop to guard the gate. I am talking about how we build a facility that will hold the items securely for centuries, and how we mark them as lethal for 40 or 50 generations.
 
WinterBorn said:
The waste in these depositories will be lethal for 1,000 years. The profound changes in societies and civilizations mean the depositories need to be built with expectations of huge changes.

There are very few languages that have gone 1,000 years without changing enough to render them all but useless. Even symbols may or may not survive in an understandable way.

I was not referring to how we pay the rent-a-cop to guard the gate. I am talking about how we build a facility that will hold the items securely for centuries, and how we mark them as lethal for 40 or 50 generations.
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You've created an analogy that doesn't pertain to the situation. These are carefully engineered structures of buried rock and specialty steels, not a means of verbal communication. A better analogy would be Egyptian pyramids.
 
Southern Man said:
You've created an analogy that doesn't pertain to the situation. These are carefully engineered structures of buried rock and specialty steels, not a means of verbal communication. A better analogy would be Egyptian pyramids.
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Without a means of communicating the danger of the stored materials, there is an excellent chance that unknowing individuals will remove the materials or compromise the facility.

Being able to communicate the hazard is a basic need of a storage facility.
 
WinterBorn said:
Without a means of communicating the danger of the stored materials, there is an excellent chance that unknowing individuals will remove the materials or compromise the facility.

Being able to communicate the hazard is a basic need of a storage facility.
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You don't think people in the future will be able to read signs, or have Geiger counters?
 
Southern Man said:
Ever hear of perpetual interest income? At 7% $1,000,000 generates $70,000 per year, forever. That's how private corporations can fund these depositories.
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It would generate 7% right now?

Peretual income and fixed costs forever is a total myth.

Actually I think the half life on some nuke waste is more like 10,000 years.
 
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WinterBorn said:
Without a means of communicating the danger of the stored materials, there is an excellent chance that unknowing individuals will remove the materials or compromise the facility.

Being able to communicate the hazard is a basic need of a storage facility.
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You must be very careful when you speak to Southern Man. He is basically just looking for a pointless argument that he declares won when you lose your patience and leave.
Your argument about language is perfectly valid.
I know sweet FA about nuclear fuel or its waste but I do not really understand why the material should not be returned from whence it came (the planet) in minute and pulverised quantities.
There has always been yellow cake and pitchblend within the surface of the earth. Man has simply extracted it, gathered it together and used part of its energy. A small piece of nuclear material in the open air is not dangerous.
I am assuming you know more than me about this stuff so what is stopping us simply replacing it?
 
Southern Man said:
You don't think people in the future will be able to read signs, or have Geiger counters?
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That depends on what happens in the next 1,000 years. If you were to see something written in 1100 BCE, would you be able to read it?

There is a chance that our society will continue to move forward and will be able to deal with the radioactive materials very easily.

But there is also a chance that some sort of societal collapse or major change will occurr that would render commonly written english obsolete.

Any storage facility must have preparations for both.
 
Lowaicue said:
You must be very careful when you speak to Southern Man. He is basically just looking for a pointless argument that he declares won when you lose your patience and leave.
Your argument about language is perfectly valid.
I know sweet FA about nuclear fuel or its waste but I do not really understand why the material should not be returned from whence it came (the planet) in minute and pulverised quantities.
There has always been yellow cake and pitchblend within the surface of the earth. Man has simply extracted it, gathered it together and used part of its energy. A small piece of nuclear material in the open air is not dangerous.
I am assuming you know more than me about this stuff so what is stopping us simply replacing it?
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The waste material is much more concentrated in terms of the radiotion it gives off. While there are natural sources of radiation, they do not come close in terms of the danger of these wastes.
 
uscitizen said:
It would generate 7% right now?

Peretual income and fixed costs forever is a total myth.

Actually I think the half life on some nuke waste is more like 10,000 years.
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Give me your money and over 10,000 years I will guarantee that a managed fund will generate at least 7%. :D

Since 1900 the Dow was 48.94, now it is 13930.01. That represents an annual growth rate of 5.32%. That's an unmanaged fund in a historically bad cycle.
 
uscitizen said:
It would generate 7% right now?

Peretual income and fixed costs forever is a total myth.

Actually I think the half life on some nuke waste is more like 10,000 years.
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I was using the 1,000 year mark for the bulk of the waste.
 
WinterBorn said:
That depends on what happens in the next 1,000 years. If you were to see something written in 1100 BCE, would you be able to read it?

There is a chance that our society will continue to move forward and will be able to deal with the radioactive materials very easily.

But there is also a chance that some sort of societal collapse or major change will occurr that would render commonly written english obsolete.

Any storage facility must have preparations for both.
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Folks have deciphered many less popular languages written and forgotten several thousand years BC (Before Christ). Again, do you think that folks 1000 years from now won't have instruments to sense radioactivity?
 
Lowaicue said:
You must be very careful when you speak to Southern Man. He is basically just looking for a pointless argument that he declares won when you lose your patience and leave....
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Translation: Low IQ got his metro-sexual arse handed to him so is whining like a child. :)
 
Southern Man said:
Folks have deciphered many less popular languages written and forgotten several thousand years BC (Before Christ). Again, do you think that folks 1000 years from now won't have instruments to sense radioactivity?
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I thought I answered this, but I will do so again.

There are two possible routes in our future. One is of continued progress and the other is a slip backward via some societal collapse.

If the latter is in our future, then the means of detecting radiation may not be available.




Languages have been deciphered, this is true. But if you or I were to come upon a sign written in aramaic I doubt the warnings would mean much to us. Whether the academics of the time can translate is only part of the issue. Whether the common people can translate is a bigger issue. This is why international symbols for hazards were developed.
 
WinterBorn said:
I thought I answered this, but I will do so again.

There are two possible routes in our future. One is of continued progress and the other is a slip backward via some societal collapse.

If the latter is in our future, then the means of detecting radiation may not be available.




Languages have been deciphered, this is true. But if you or I were to come upon a sign written in aramaic I doubt the warnings would mean much to us. Whether the academics of the time can translate is only part of the issue. Whether the common people can translate is a bigger issue. This is why international symbols for hazards were developed.
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Your argument appears to be focused on the possibility of a group of ape-like creatures borrowing several hundred feet into dense rock to happen upon something dangerous, totally at random, and the subsequent death of the individuals who get there first. Please tell me why this is important.
 
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