9th Circuit Court has ruled that there is no right to carry, openly or concealed

I'm thinking you have that very confused. It took the courts to tell the enforcement branch of governments what the constitution means.........

judicial review can be a useful tool of the courts, until they use the constitution to restrict the people instead of restricting the government.

No, I think you're confused. The history of search and seizure rulings is one of judicial review, which according to you is only needed by "pathetic Americans."

You needed judicial review to get what you want: the expansion of criminal protections, marginalizing the police, and making the entire society less safe.

As a non-pathetic American I am always skeptical of Constitutional rulings that discover Constitutional rights over a century after the fact.

Your entire raison d'etre is based upon judicial review and judicial activism.
 
No, I think you're confused. The history of search and seizure rulings is one of judicial review, which according to you is only needed by "pathetic Americans."

You needed judicial review to get what you want: the expansion of criminal protections, marginalizing the police, and making the entire society less safe.

As a non-pathetic American I am always skeptical of Constitutional rulings that discover Constitutional rights over a century after the fact.

Your entire raison d'etre is based upon judicial review and judicial activism.

where did you ever get the stupid notion that the constitution is there to protect government power instead of protecting the rights of the people?

the founders understood quite well what government does when not held in check, which is why they wrote their federal and state constitutions with restrictions placed upon those governments.
 
where did you ever get the stupid notion that the constitution is there to protect government power instead of protecting the rights of the people?

the founders understood quite well what government does when not held in check, which is why they wrote their federal and state constitutions with restrictions placed upon those governments.

Complete strawman argument. Very weak.

Not even worth a response.
 
Because I never said the Constitution "is there to protect government power." Nothing even close to that.

So that is what is known as a "strawman argument."

Glad to help.

you didn't use those exact words........but you certainly seemed to advocate more police power to overcome the rights of citizens......did you not?
 
the amendment says something about a 'well-regulated militia'...........oops!

were the capitol insurrectionists well regulated, are those gap toothed dolts running around the woods with KMart cammies and tactical gear they bought on the internet well-regulated?

the amendment pertains to state militias ya dope




What do you think "well regulated" means?
 
the amendment says something about a 'well-regulated militia'...........oops!

were the capitol insurrectionists well regulated, are those gap toothed dolts running around the woods with KMart cammies and tactical gear they bought on the internet well-regulated?

the amendment pertains to state militias ya dope
Try again. The only people at the Capital with guns were the Capital police.
 
you didn't use those exact words........but you certainly seemed to advocate more police power to overcome the rights of citizens......did you not?

You have it entirely backwards.

I advocate for police powers that existed happily for over a century until you Constitutional revisionists/activists began "finding" rights that nobody else knew existed.

Which goes back to my original point that without judicial review pathetic Americans like yourself would not have the criminal protections you currently enjoy.
 
You have it entirely backwards.

I advocate for police powers that existed happily for over a century until you Constitutional revisionists/activists began "finding" rights that nobody else knew existed.

Which goes back to my original point that without judicial review pathetic Americans like yourself would not have the criminal protections you currently enjoy.

so the constitution provides for government police state powers. that's all you had to say, even if it's wrong. you also sound like a liberal, everyones a criminal, just haven't committed their crime, YET.

it's ok, public education has been lacking for you young'ns for decades now.
 
so the constitution provides for government police state powers. that's all you had to say, even if it's wrong. you also sound like a liberal, everyones a criminal, just haven't committed their crime, YET.

it's ok, public education has been lacking for you young'ns for decades now.

I just explained to you what a strawman is, and you're the one who supports over a century of liberal judicial activism.

You're a confirmed liberal. You would fall in line with every search and seizure ruling by Thurgood Marshall.

But you like guns and hate the police. You're basically Bernie Sanders.
 
HOW ASININE.

THE SCOTUS HAS ALREADY DECLARED WHAT THE CONSTITUTION CLEARLY STATES, THAT THE 2nd AMENDMENT IS A PERSONAL RIGHT.

TRY AGIN DUMBFUCK.

Yes, it is a personal right. As with any right, it has limitations. We're working on defining those. I think Scalia actually laid out some pretty good guideposts.
 
I just explained to you what a strawman is, and you're the one who supports over a century of liberal judicial activism.

You're a confirmed liberal. You would fall in line with every search and seizure ruling by Thurgood Marshall.

But you like guns and hate the police. You're basically Bernie Sanders.

:cruisewhat:
 
Yes, it is a personal right. As with any right, it has limitations.

not one single founding father EVER said that bullshit.............

Absolutely NO government arms control is legal or constitutional, repeal it all! Regarding the governments ability to impose "Reasonable Restraint", the mantra of our liberal influenced government.
Supporters of the bill of rights claim they have constitutional rights. Opponents counter even if it were the case, the government was granted the general power to place restraints on those rights. Both of these assertions are based on a misconception concerning the intent of the document known as the Bill of Rights.

When the Bill of Rights was submitted to the individual States for ratification, it was prefaced with a preamble. As stated in the preamble, the purpose of the Amendments was to prevent the government from “misconstruing or abusing its powers.” To accomplish this, “further declaratory and restrictive clauses” were being recommended. The Amendments, when adopted, did not create any so-called constitutional rights or grant the government any power over individual rights; they placed additional restraints and qualifications on the powers of the government concerning the rights enumerated in the Amendments.

By advancing the myth Amendments grant the American people their individual rights, the government has illegally converted enumerated restraints and qualifications on its power into legislative, executive, judicial and administrative power over individual rights. The government claims it was granted the constitutional authority to determine the extent of the individual rights enumerated in the Amendments and/or impose “reasonable restraints” on those rights. This assertion is absurd. The government does not have the constitutional authority to ignore, circumvent, modify, negate or remove constitutional restraints placed on its power by the Amendments or convert them into a power over the individual right enumerated in the particular restraint.

A denial of power or an enumerated restraint on the exercise of power is not subject to interpretation or modification by the entity the restraint is being imposed upon. The restraints imposed by the Amendments, which were adopted 4 years after the Constitution was ratified, override the legislative, executive, judicial or administrative powers of the government. If this were not the case, then the restraints would be meaningless because the government could simply circumvent, modify or remove them. Why would the States have requested and adopted enumerated restraints on government power, subsequent to their ratification of the Constitution, if the government possessed the authority to nullify them?

When the government infringes on one of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights it is not violating anyone’s constitutional rights; it is violating the additional restraint or qualification placed on its power by the particular Amendment where the right is enumerated. The distinction between rights and restraints is critical. [The right is not given by the Government. Our rights are given by God and are inalienable. Therefore, they can't be limited or taken away.]

As stated in the Declaration of Independence, the American people have unalienable rights that come from a higher source than government or a written document. By acknowledging people have natural rights, which are bestowed by a creator, the Founders laid the foundation for the principle the government does not have the lawful authority to take away or infringe on those rights. This principle was incorporated into the preamble and structure of the Amendments to secure individual rights from government encroachment; that is why they were designed and imposed as restraints on the exercise of power.

If the individual rights of the people had been created by the Constitution or an amendment to the document, then they would cease to be unalienable because the right would depend on the existence of a document. If the document or a provision of the document disappeared, so would the right. The belief individual rights were created by a written document has opened the door for the government to claim the power to define the extent of any right enumerated in an Amendment. This has transformed constitutional restraints placed on governmental power into subjective determinations of individual rights by the institutions of government. By failing to understand the difference between amendments that create rights and amendments that impose restraints on government, the American people are watching their individual rights vanish as they are reduced to the status of privileges bestowed by government because the constitutional restraints placed on governmental power are being replaced by government decree.

Opponents of the Amendments always try to diminish the right enumerated in the Amendments by asserting rights are not absolute. This is just another straw man argument because the Amendment is about imposing a restraint of the powers of the government concerning a right: not granting a right or defining the extent of a right. In addition, a review of the Second Amendment shows the restraint imposed by the Amendment does not contain any exceptions.
 
It's quite simple actually.

The question you should ask yourself is why liberals support the expansion of government power in all areas EXCEPT where you intersect with them: public safety, the most legitimate function of any government.

firstly, liberals support that expansion because they believe the average person is an incompetent idiot who will end up hurting someone or themselves, or that powerful government is their weapon to force their ideals on everyone else. just like republicans.
secondly, the only legitimate functions of government are to protect the rights of the people and administer justice for victims.
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firstly, liberals support that expansion because they believe the average person is an incompetent idiot who will end up hurting someone or themselves, or that powerful government is their weapon to force their ideals on everyone else. just like republicans.
secondly, the only legitimate functions of government are to protect the rights of the people and administer justice for victims.
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You fail to answer why you intersect with liberals in diminishing government power in the area of administering justice for victims of crimes, which you claim is the only legitimate function of government.

And why you support liberals' century long judicial activism to bring it about, while at the same time insisting only "pathetic Americans" rely on judicial review.

You're all over the place.
 
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